pulsewalk Posted March 27, 2023 Author Share Posted March 27, 2023 Also, is there no tool/function to check the health of a project? Corruptions or whatever? There are such things for Indesign, for example, where one can check problems with the document and let the software auto correct it. Same for Adobe PDF files and so forth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterWalker87 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 After using Cakewalk Pro Audio 9, Sonar and Cakewalk again, I've given up after the latest update. The system worked perfectly before 2022.11 update, but after that the latency is unworkable. I notice that its been a few months since they updated now, when before the 2022.11 update it was quite a regular occurance. Incidentally, I did read the 2022.11 release notes to see what was changed. I've tried all the audio driver settings, reinstalling the UA-25EX drivers, installing ASIOFORALL, uninstalling ASIO for all when it made no difference, rolling back the update, and using a new audio interface UMC204HD. All to no avail. The live recording latency is seemingly random, but I now have to drag everything back to the correct time. Before the 2022.11 update, this never happened. If I play with the Audio settings, I either get no audio on recording or a long pause, or a dropout. Its impossible to predict. Even if I can get it semi stable, on occasion it just keels over and stops. It doesn't seem to matter which Audio interface I use. I love the workflow in Cakewalk, and as a long term user from the early 90s I know how to use the DAW. Editing, Audio recording, tracking and midi are all straight forward and simple. You could use the lanes and record multiple takes with ease, and not lose any recording. Playback and mixing is fine, as well as the export facility, although I did have one project go corrupt recently, but was able to recover from a backup. The poor and unpredicatable latency simply kills it and makes recording almost impossible with Cakewalk. Whatever they have done, it affects the midi recording as well as the audio recording. I'm not able to get the system stable. I've tried to continue to use Cakewalk for the familiarity and ease of use, but I've got so frustrated I'm learning another DAW (which works fine and has no latency issue on the same system and audio interfaces), and porting over the numerous cakewalk projects . its good that Bandlab have kept cakewalk going and I really hope that they sort out these bugs, I think that it is the end of the line for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 5 hours ago, PeterWalker87 said: I've tried all the audio driver settings, reinstalling the UA-25EX drivers, installing ASIOFORALL, uninstalling ASIO for all when it made no difference, rolling back the update, and using a new audio interface UMC204HD. All to no avail. Old Obsolete Interface and a new one that has lots of complaints about the crummy asio driver. You need to spend a tiny bit more cash and your issues will go away. Think Focusrite, Tascam, RME, Motu etc. Behringer makes good stuff once you get away from the bottom end stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterWalker87 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 I agree that the UA-25EX is old and obsolete and it was the first thing I replaced when I encountered the problem after the update. The New Behringer Audio interface works perfectly with other DAWs on my system and until the 2022.11 update the UA-25EX had worked with no glitches or problems for over 15 years, through the Sonar years and back onto Cakewalk. If the new one had issues it wouldn't work with the other DAW either, which has solid timing. When I hook up my USB Yamaha keyboard (which doesn't use the interfaces ) and record midi, I get the same latency problems with that as well. Cakewalk is not reliable on my system. All this gear works perfectly with another DAW. The same issue is on all the audio and midi interfaces, when using cakewalk According to the release notes, the last update made a fundemental change to the way the Audio drivers are utilised in Cakewalk. In my experience, big changes in software like this cause unforeseen problems. The point was that the development team work on the reported bugs and get some updates released. This won't be the only one. I've championed Cakewalk and Sonar for years and like the user friendly interface and simple easy to use structure. I just want it to work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulsewalk Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 15 hours ago, PeterWalker87 said: I did have one project go corrupt recently, but was able to recover from a backup. What kind of corruption was it? Can you describe what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterWalker87 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 I was recording audio in. On pressing record the audio engine stuttered and then stopped, the program crashed and came up with a unhandled exception and stated that cakewalk must close down. The project then wouldn't open. Fortunately I do regular backups of my working folders and was able to recover the project without too much rework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterWalker87 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 The corruption was that the project refused to open after the program crash. I've not had it since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmcleod Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 4 hours ago, PeterWalker87 said: I was recording audio in. On pressing record the audio engine stuttered and then stopped, the program crashed and came up with a unhandled exception and stated that cakewalk must close down. The project then wouldn't open. Fortunately I do regular backups of my working folders and was able to recover the project without too much rework. The only time I've seen this behaviour is when some other process is trying to access the files that Cakewalk is writing to during record. Anti-virus / Cloud Sync programs are the typical culprits. Make sure you've got your Cakewalk Projects directory and Global Audio folder excluded from any of these type of apps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfssongs Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 I have had a few problems like this. I believe that in my case an audio overload caused the crash. Could this have happened to you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulsewalk Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 53 minutes ago, rfssongs said: I have had a few problems like this. I believe that in my case an audio overload caused the crash. Could this have happened to you ? Who is "you"? Me, the OP? Or PeterWalker87? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 I have inadvertently muted sections of tracks by accidentally holding the shift button while clicking a note. Then any highlighted notes are muted. Very frustrating when you don't know what happened or what to "undo". Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herky Acuff Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just here to say after reading three pages of comments, it is impressive how many people trying to help out here. I have also found problems becoming more common and it is frustrating. At least people want to assist. I wish I knew more to chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfssongs Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 2 hours ago, pulsewalk said: Who is "you"? Me, the OP? Or PeterWalker87? Sorry - Peter with the crash. It was just a thought - nothing more. BTW: I don't feel like Cakewalk is buggy but I do feel like there are so many shortcuts assigned that it might seem that way at times. It usually doesn't cause problem but I hit wrong keys semi regularly. Strange things can happen. (Backups, Backups, Backups) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterWalker87 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 In my view, I've not really had difficulties with Cakewalk over the years. It has been pretty much rock solid. In the last couple of years if a bug cropt up, it has been usually been fixed in the subsequent update. The workflow is easy and I can get a project tracked, mixed and mastered fairly rapidly. For me, that last update has caused a fundemental flaw which makes it unworkable for the time being. I have tried since November to find a solution. The only thing left to is to fully uninstall and reinstall, which I'm quite reluctant to do as I don't want to lose work, setups or plugins. I still have Sonar Platinum installed, just in case it broke anything if I removed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterWalker87 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) I'll try sometime in the next few days to do a full backup of my PC (clone disk), remove both Sonar and Cakewalk, and then reinstall Cakewalk. I'll post the results and see if it fixes the latency. It bugs me that the latency is on everything, i.e. two different audio devices and also the midi controller/keyboard. However, no such problem on my other DAW. Edited March 29, 2023 by PeterWalker87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol_Jonesey Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 10 hours ago, PeterWalker87 said: I'll try sometime in the next few days to do a full backup of my PC (clone disk), remove both Sonar and Cakewalk, and then reinstall Cakewalk. I'll post the results and see if it fixes the latency. It bugs me that the latency is on everything, i.e. two different audio devices and also the midi controller/keyboard. However, no such problem on my other DAW. Do a clean install https://help.cakewalk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360034066393-Clean-Install-Cakewalk-by-BandLab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulsewalk Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 19 hours ago, rfssongs said: Sorry - Peter with the crash. It was just a thought - nothing more. BTW: I don't feel like Cakewalk is buggy but I do feel like there are so many shortcuts assigned that it might seem that way at times. It usually doesn't cause problem but I hit wrong keys semi regularly. Strange things can happen. (Backups, Backups, Backups) Unfortunately backups doesn't help the problems I have with corrupted tracks. The corruptions lay latent and can come up 10, 100, or 1000 (etc.) working hours after they was generated, it seems. So backing up is really no cure for this. For sure, one can go a version back to avoid the latest corruption, but it will still be there latent, and explode once again if one touches the "wrong" track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfssongs Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 3 hours ago, pulsewalk said: Unfortunately backups doesn't help the problems I have with corrupted tracks. The corruptions lay latent and can come up 10, 100, or 1000 (etc.) working hours after they was generated, it seems. So backing up is really no cure for this. For sure, one can go a version back to avoid the latest corruption, but it will still be there latent, and explode once again if one touches the "wrong" track Are you sure your hard drive is OK ? (again just a thought) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) On 3/27/2023 at 11:28 AM, pulsewalk said: Don't the DEV's have tools for opening CW project files and look at construct of them? Indeed they do, and it may be of value to them for you to wrap it up as a .ZIP or .CWB and get it to them. I think if you send it to BandLab/Cakewalk support and notify them that it's for the devs, that will close the loop. While they probably won't be able to figure out the initial cause, they might at least look at how it is now and get some idea of how to prevent it. They can also possibly slip you a build that has error reporting triggers in it that will write to a log file. Their call. I'll emphasize this because a few years back, I had one project that exhibited multiple issues with sluggishness, and submitted it to the devs. As it turned out, it exposed multiple issues with Cakewalk due to some uncommon settings I was using. So the devs wrenched on the code and it resulted in multiple improvements to things like drawing speed and input response. This was across the board, whether someone was using my settings or not. This kind of error reporting can help all users. On 3/27/2023 at 11:31 AM, pulsewalk said: Also, is there no tool/function to check the health of a project? Corruptions or whatever? There are such things for Indesign, for example, where one can check problems with the document and let the software auto correct it. Same for Adobe PDF files and so forth. Whoa, that is an excellent idea. Even if it just did an integrity check. I'm sure the support staff would love it. But really, except in your unfortunate cases, corruption is, unlike in other human endeavors, relatively rare. @rfssongs, the OP mentioned that this is happening across multiple computers, which would seem to rule out hardware issues like disk sector or RAM flakiness. Seem to. ? With this level of oddness, anything is possible. Edited March 30, 2023 by Starship Krupa 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 On 3/28/2023 at 2:06 AM, PeterWalker87 said: According to the release notes, the last update made a fundemental change to the way the Audio drivers are utilised in Cakewalk. In my experience, big changes in software like this cause unforeseen problems. The point was that the development team work on the reported bugs and get some updates released. This won't be the only one. I've championed Cakewalk and Sonar for years and like the user friendly interface and simple easy to use structure. I just want it to work. To that end, I suggest you roll back to the previous version of CbB. I think there's a description of how to do that in the Early Access subforum. If that solves it, then let the devs know, I'm sure they'll want to know that some change in the last version borked your setup. There is a beta team, but they probably have newer and/or higher end interfaces. I agree that if an interface works with all of your other audio software and not with Cakewalk, Cakewalk needs to be examined. If rolling back doesn't solve it....yikes, maybe something else changed on your system around that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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