New Korg M1 vst3 crashes every project

[Will.]

This might also be because the "1000" custom presets you have collected over the years, are not compatible with the vst3 version. 

I had a similar issue with another plugin recently with its update. 

Normally before i contact the manufacturer I troubleshoot things myself - especially with custom presets found online or that was sent to me. I do this for reasons such as in discussion. 

Reason: What experience have thought me: Most composers and mixing engineers I work with "professionally" abroad with my travels - you still get people that uses that exact same version in plugin they've bought 10 years ago. So the present you have received was made in an outdated version of what you have. 

Case in point:

I had recently went to Holland to collab on an album and this guy were still using Protools 10 with Waves V9 plugins. After some debate between me and him, he finally cracked and allowed me to update Protools and most of the plugins he uses daily. The guy had been paying every month, but refused to update his stuff - all because of the "If its not broken, why fix it" mentally and this guy works with legends in the industry. 

Anyway. What if trying to say is, there might be a favorite preset you used in most of these projects that were still created in a 32bit environment or a really old version of M1 | OR | the reason might also be, because you had a "Patch" and not the full .exe to update the registery for these custom presets as well. What ever the case might be: Its best to send CbB developers a copy of your a problem including a crash dump and ask Korg to send a complete update install of the Korg M1 to you. 

Edited September 5, 2022 by Will.

[abacab]

3 hours ago, Will. said:

This might also be because the "1000" custom presets you have collected over the years, are not compatible with the vst3 version. 

He said he was using the ".dll" which implies it was the VST2.

[Will.]

21 minutes ago, abacab said:

He said he was using the ".dll" which implies it was the VST2.

I think it would be wise for you to read the OP again. 

[abacab]

On 8/28/2022 at 5:23 PM, TVR PRODUCTIONS said:

M1.dll is the new one that Korg overwrote the old one with.

@Will.From the OP ^^^

And the Cakewalk crash report clearly shows the failed plugin as "M1.dll", not "M1.vst3. ?

I think any confusion may have come about when the OP referenced the release of M1 that added the VST3, not that he was actually using that format. I assume that update is when his VST2 messed up as they overwrote his existing VST2 "M1.dll" with the newer version.

 Version 2.3.0
    [PC/Mac] VST3 format support

Edited September 5, 2022 by abacab

[Will.]

44 minutes ago, abacab said:

@Will.From the OP ^^^

And the Cakewalk crash report clearly shows the failed plugin as "M1.dll", not "M1.vst3. ?

I think any confusion may have come about when the OP referenced the release of M1 that added the VST3, not that he was actually using that format. I assume that update is when his VST2 messed up as they overwrote his existing VST2 "M1.dll" with the newer version.

 Version 2.3.0
    [PC/Mac] VST3 format support

Again: I think you need to re-read the  OP and my reply word-per-word and letter-per-letter. ??

Edited September 5, 2022 by Will.

[abacab]

30 minutes ago, Will. said:

Again: I think you need to re-read the  OP and my reply word-per-word and letter-per-letter. ??

I have no idea what you are going on about. I read everything. Please stop being condescending by implying that I have not read the posts.

[Will.]

10 minutes ago, abacab said:

I have no idea what you are going on about. I read everything. Please stop being condescending by implying that I have not read the posts.

Well, then you're on your own. ?? good luck. 

[abacab]

1 minute ago, Will. said:

Well, then you're on your own. ?? good luck. 

I'm not the one with the problem, was just trying to help the OP. You apparently meant well, but seem to be a bit off-track. Good luck!

[Will.]

28 minutes ago, abacab said:

I'm not the one with the problem, was just trying to help the OP. 

There's your problem. You're Assuming i think you are the one with the M1 problem and that's the reason why you're in your feels over nothing. 

Cause he made it extremely clear: 

"It was suggested that I contact Korg and let them know that something broke when they changed from vst2 to vst3."

Edited September 5, 2022 by Will.

[abacab]

32 minutes ago, Will. said:

Cause he made it extremely clear: 

"It was suggested that I contact Korg and let them know that something broke when they changed from vst2 to vst3."

True statement. I guess you didn't read the OP word-for-word yourself, because you missed that he is using the VST2.

Edited September 5, 2022 by abacab

[Will.]

16 minutes ago, abacab said:

True statement. I guess you didn't read the OP word-for-word yourself, because you missed that he is using the VST2.

I guess you didn't read where he said they sent him the UPDATE - meaning the VST3 version.

He is yet to download the Vst2 version. I guess you missed reading that word-per-word, right?

Probably time to up your reading prescription then. Good luck. ?

Edited September 5, 2022 by Will.

[abacab]

48 minutes ago, Will. said:

I guess you didn't read where he said they sent him the UPDATE - meaning the VST3 version.

He is yet to download the Vst2 version. I guess you missed reading that word-per-word, right?

Probably time to up your reading prescription then. Good luck. ?

Go back and look at the picture of the crash log. His issue is clearly with the VST2.

And please don't reply to me any further. I'm done here.

Edited September 5, 2022 by abacab

[Will.]

16 minutes ago, abacab said:

I'm done here.

Amen! Finally. 

[TVR PRODUCTIONS]

On 9/5/2022 at 9:27 AM, abacab said:

He said he was using the ".dll" which implies it was the VST2.

My original crash was caused because I updated to the most recent M1 upgrade that was supposedly fixed so that it would remember the settings and patches. This was done in June or July.  Either way, the crash was caused by M1.dll. Are you saying that is the older vst2?  Korg support tech asked to verify if the plugin path is Program Files/Common Files/VST3?  The only file in that path is C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\KORG\M1.dll.

So, Korg is telling me that M1.dll is what belongs in the VST3 folder.  But i am confused because you are saying that if it is a .dll file, it must be a vst2.  I think I should just break out my old Tascan Neo 24 digital recorder.  I have never had vst issues before and this one is a real problem.

[TVR PRODUCTIONS]

SO, after all of this, here is my question. After updating to the latest vst3, should my older projects all crash that were created with the vst2 version?  In my mind, I would think they would open as usual (if the old vst2 is still there) and I would have the option "replace vst instrument) and choose the newer m1 vst. But if it crashes instantly, that cannot be done.  I can hold shift down and say NO to all the M1 instances.  At that point, shouldn't I be able to replace the old M1 with the new? That seems logical to me. I would be able to replace it with any other vst instrument so why not the new M1?  Will I lose the actual patch?  That would be a problem.

My biggest question is if everyone else is going through this very thing?  It should behave the same on everyone's computer since it is the same file.  Thanks to everyone who is chiming in to assist.  It sounds like there are some crazy workarounds to get it to work but I don't think it should be that complicated.  Korg has been no help. They just said the following but that doesn't fix their new vst3

f you revert to an older version, moving the location of the dll will prevent it from starting properly.
In this case you must specify the default VST2 folder. Reinstall the old version and make the folder path the default VST2 path.

[TVR PRODUCTIONS]

On 9/4/2022 at 11:44 AM, abacab said:

@TVR PRODUCTIONSAfter giving this issue another minute of consideration, I have another question...

When you rolled it back, did you run the old full M1 installer, or just copy the old ".dll" file over the newer one?

I have done so many things, I cannot remember at this point. I absolutely never copied a file. I just leave the files where the installer places them.

I just uninstalled everything. I then reinstalled my original m1.  Old projects work. I then  installed the new one so it is all fresh.  Crash is back. The crash is still pointing to M1.dll, which, according to some, is a vst2. But Korg support themselves say this is what I should be using.  Since I just installed the latest June release of M1, wwhat file should be on my computer and where should it be located? 

I  have not submitted the error log because I do not know where to do that. Last time I tried, it would not let me send a file larger than 2Mb or something like this. 

Edited September 11, 2022 by TVR PRODUCTIONS

[scook]

3 hours ago, pwalpwal said:

On 9/7/2022 at 6:37 AM, TVR PRODUCTIONS said:

The only file in that path is C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\KORG\M1.dll.

that seems wrong, all my vst3 korgs have the .vst3 extension in that location (as opposed to .dll in the vst2 path)

I believe this is a typo or miscommunication with KORG support.

Even though they are actually dynamically linked libraries, all VST3 plug-in binaries MUST have a vst3 extension. Files with a dll extension under "C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3" are support files and are not scanned.

AFAIK KORG does not have any files with a dll extension in the VST3 area.

Like most manufacturers KORG permits users to specify where VST2 plug-in should be installed, however; some of their installers also put a copy of the VST2 binaries in "C:\Program Files\Common Files\KORG\Collection".

[TVR PRODUCTIONS]

So, after uninstalling everything and re installing the original M1 vst and then updating the new one, here is what I have:

C:\Program Files\VstPlugins\KORG\M1.dll (1/28/2018  version1.8.0)

C:\Program Files\Common Files\KORG\Collection\M1.dll (7/98/2022  version 2.3.3

C:\Program Files (x86)\KORG\KORG Legacy\ M1.dll   (1/28/2018  version1.8.0)

C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\KORG\Korg.vst3

So, the vst 3 is there in the last folder (which is  a folder that CW scans for plugins.

When I open a new project and want to insert an instrument, I only see M1 vst3.  SO, shouldn't I be able to open an old project, skip all the m1 plugins, then replace them each with the vst3?   I just tried one and it works but of course, it plays Universe, which sounds ridiculous. So, again, I am stuck trying to figure out the sounds that I used.  Why is this so difficult? It is just a simple upgrade of a plugin.

 

[TVR PRODUCTIONS]

On 9/9/2022 at 11:45 PM, Lord Tim said:

Yeah, that's ridiculous. It shouldn't be this hard (and usually isn't for most/all other manufacturers).

If you scroll up to my post a little earlier, my suggestion was to just go back to the old version and freeze it off for now. If you remove all traces of the new VST3 one and install the old one, does that actually work without crashing? I'm not sure if you were clear on that or not. Not a fix but could get you out of trouble temporarily.

 

I want to keep using the vst3. So I opened one project last night in safe mode, bypassed the m1, then replaced them all with the vst3.  It was a pain in the ***** to find the patches (7 of them) but I finally did it.  I don’t understand why it just doesn’t work.  The original dll is in its location and so is the vst 3.  They both should work but since I updated, every project crashes that uses the vst2.  Korg is useless.  I emailed them again yesterday asking them what the hell they are doing?  It’s been a week since they suggested anything.  I submitted the crash log to cakewalk a few days ago and am waiting to hear from them. 

Edited October 23, 2022 by TVR PRODUCTIONS

[TVR PRODUCTIONS]

I appreciate the suggestion, but that is just a workaround.  Yes, a workaround that will allow me to  use the projects. But so many of those projects were still in progress, that I would not be able to finish any m1 parts or even alter the lines I played. I would prefer it just to work instead of having to go through all of that.  It doesn’t seem to be too much to ask but Korg should be the one fixing it.  I am not discounting your suggestion.  It would work great if most of the projects were completed but they aren’t. It is like updating an iPhone  to the latest OS and I can no longer test, so I have to roll back to the last iOS, except now, I can only read my tests but cannot write new ones.  Or something like that.

i am confused about why the old projects  do not open if the same korg vst2 is in the sam location.  It should not matter that the new vst3 is in another location if that isn’t included in the project.

Edited September 11, 2022 by TVR PRODUCTIONS