Continue, or call it a day?

[Bapu]

2 hours ago, Philip G Hunt said:

Nah! Stick with Cakewalk! ?

Nesting in Reaper is hot and with the right theme (which I've finally found the right one for me) the mixer is very intuitive.

Studio One works two just not quite as elegantly as Reaper with the theme I use.

I'm usually dealing with 50-90 tracks and nesting is essential to me.

[Starship Krupa]

2 hours ago, Bapu said:

Nesting in Reaper is hot

You mean nested folders? Cakewalk got that feature a couple of revs ago.

[craigb]

2 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

You mean nested folders? Cakewalk got that feature a couple of revs ago.

Ah, folders!  I thought he meant something with twigs and eggs!  ?

[Bapu]

4 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

You mean nested folders? Cakewalk got that feature a couple of revs ago.

Gald it's there and that works for CbB users in the way that works for them.

Reaper is based on the fact that a track can be anything you want (as well as being infinitely nested): it can be a folder, a bus, an audio track, a midi track (simple or instrument like CbB) or a VSTi track and they do not have fixed position buses. It's totally flexible in how your buses/folders/tracks appear in the TV and Mixer.

I grew up on hardware mixers and I get the 'logic' fixed bus positions like CbB and Harrison Mixbus. For me the flexibility of freeform placement of buses, tracks and or folders like Reaper and Studio One  in the TV and Mixer is a non-hardware approach to DAWs which appeals to me. It may not be for everyone.

That's not to say had I stuck with SPLat/CbB that I would have been please to see nested folders a reality but I had been asking for it since the SONAR 8.5 days when I learned of the Reaper approach.

Had Studio One not come out with Chord and Arranger tracks shortly after the Gibson shutdown I was fully prepared to go with Reaper as my Go To DAW. For me Studio One beat out Reaper with their implementation of Chord and Arranger tracks.

[Tony Carpenter]

It’s always sad to see someone dive down this self doubt rabbit hole. And I’m somewhat one of these. What keeps me going recently, last year or so is… Jamulus. I gave up relying on local musicians. Now I have a fairly frequent group of great musicians I play with most days of the week for around 2 hours a day!!. I’ve learned so much on my drums too that I never knew playing all on my own for 19 years prior. Sometimes something entirely new and uncomfortable is what you need. 
 

my .0250

Tony

[Starship Krupa]

8 hours ago, Bapu said:

That's not to say had I stuck with SPLat/CbB that I wouldn't have been pleased to see nested folders a reality but I had been asking for it since the SONAR 8.5 days

I get how frustrating it got for people to ask over and over for these "smaller," convenience features and in turn get "big" features that it seemed like nobody was asking for. Matrix View comes to mind. Not that I haven't had fun with Matrix View, but I can imagine that if I had been waiting forever for a ripple edit indicator and a huge feature like that showed up, with no attention paid to the endless requests, I would have wanted to scream.

But for 4 years now, there's been a new sheriff in town.

[Tim Smith]

I never got into mixing metal the way @Lord Tim has, but I've had enough of a taste of it to know that for me it was HANDS DOWN the toughest genre of music I have ever mixed. I have mixed pretty much everything and metal always comes out on top as the toughest with rock ranking a close second. What I'm referring to is a mix that compares with commercial mixes in that genre.

It shouldn't be too difficult right? Just a couple of guitars,a vocalist, a bass and a drummer. The problem is they are all competing with one another more. The drums and bass are constantly fighting for space. The guitar solo has to punch though. The whole thing needs to sound massively loud balanced and powerful while still abiding by the LUFS standards. Mixing that was a fine line that had to sit just right, and no matter how many hours I put into it, if I put it up for suggestions on a board somewhere there would always be the comment that this or that should be changed.

As most here know- HUGE difference in mixing ITB and mixing a band. 

[Mr. Torture]

Lord Tim, you are a lot better of a singer than mine. My singer would completely agree. That makes it easier for sure when you already have a professional voice. I'm sure it didn't come easy and you have payed your dues. 

But when the singer isn't confident and clearly not as good to compete, it wipes him out emotionally so he has no desire to try and improve. He's had plenty of time to do so, but never really worked at it like he should have. So we are left with the "All or nothing" mentality, so I guess it's nothing.

Thanks for your insight and encouragement, but I am just returning to my practice amp.

 

 

 

[Byron Dickens]

That's it. When you demand all or nothing, what you usually end up with is nothing.

[Byron Dickens]

Right on.

I'll be damned if I let someone else's lack of cajones stop me. I'll find someone else even if I have to do it myself.

[Mr. Torture]

Lord Tim, did you record your albums using Cakewalk?

[Bapu]

3 hours ago, Mr. Torture said:

Lord Tim, did you record your albums using Cakewalk?

I'm pretty sure he did, but I would venture to say he would still be Lord Tim if he used Reaper, Studio One, ProTools, Harrison Mixbus, Logic, Samplitude or even Mixcraft. Maybe the workflow would be faster or slower, but he knows how to get to the end. ? 

[craigb]

23 minutes ago, Bapu said:

I'm pretty sure he did, but I would venture to say he would still be Lord Tim if he used Reaper, Studio One, ProTools, Harrison Mixbus, Logic, Samplitude or even Mixcraft. Maybe the workflow would be faster or slower, but he knows how to get to the end. ? 

Dang...  I don't see Notepad on that list!  Maybe I should switch what I use?  ?

 

?

[Tim Smith]

8 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

But also like I said, if you're sure it's time, it's time. Take a break if you need to get away from it. There's nothing more soul-destroying than sitting down in front of the DAW when your tank is empty. But if you're not really done, you'll know about it sooner or later when you can't stop yourself from diving back in again.

I guess we are all at least entitled to our opinions. They can't take that away. 

I  don't think it's over if a person is asking the question. If it's over you'll know it's over.

[Shane_B.]

30 minutes ago, pwalpwal said:

so after 4 pages, i think call it a day?

Hell, I can't even remember what the question was.

So my advice now, after 4 pages, yeah. Whatever it was, screw it man. It ain't worth the hassle.

Unless it's music related. Then by all means, do what makes you happy and don't listen to anyone else. You know the old saying regarding what opinions are like.

Edit: Make that 5 pages. I really think this thread has the potential for 6 ... maybe more.

Edited April 20, 2022 by Shane_B.

[Bapu]

21 minutes ago, Shane_B. said:

Edit: Make that 5 pages. I really think this thread has the potential for 6 ... maybe more.

So if he continues should it be on a PC or Mac?





I'll get me coat

[Mr. Torture]

Yeah, I think I'm done. It's been sometimes fun, but I could never get the results that I was hoping for. 

I won't stop with music, I enjoy playing guitar and learning new things. But recording songs and trying to produce them to a major label quality? Nope, just not in the cards for me. Just don't have the talent to make it happen. 

It's sad for sure, I have spent a lot of my life recording. Hard drives full of unfinished songs, uncounted thousands spent. More lost money on gear than I care to try and remember. But maybe most hobbies are that way? I probably would have been happier restoring an old car, even the most not mechanically inclined can do that and still achieve livable results. Recording is just a different animal. Now I know why 95% of the people I did music with over the years just play cover songs in obscure bands at the local brewery / restaurant.

[Byron Dickens]

[InstrEd]

At least stick around here in the Coffee House for the Humor  

[InstrEd]

1 minute ago, bdickens said:

See on this one I could keep practicing drawing and I will never be able to draw!  I'm amazed at how my wife and daughters are able to draw so well. I can barely draw a stick figure and I had art/drawing lessons when I was a kid. 

But on the music side I don't really care if the mix is not up to snuff on my little projects. I enjoy the journey.  Find something you like to do and go enjoy it.

YMMV