Reid Rosefelt Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 (edited) Komplete 36,000+ sounds Komplete Ultimate 67,000+ sounds Omnisphere 9223 presets UVI Vintage Vault 10,000+ presets Arturia V Collection 8,000+presets (without expansions) etc. etc. Have you auditioned all the presets in the virtual instruments and synths you own? If you did, do you have a photographic memory to be able to call up the best ones for your music? How do you know when you buy something new that you don't already own something you like better? Edited December 15, 2020 by Reid Rosefelt 17 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Wonderful, TTF, just wonderful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husker Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 "The truth is, most of us don't even know what we own" (Hangs head in shame, and slinks back to look at more deals) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Using the stuff that you've already got...........where's the fun in that? 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treesha Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Interesting idea, but I don't know how to insert a vst instrument and then have the chosen similar types of patches show up each in their own track? How is that done? Normally for a few patches I would use a few instances of the vst. thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezza Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) "we already own something that might be better than the thing we are buying" I feel exposed. I've got Komplete Ultimate 10 and there's a few things there I've never used, like Reaktor, took a look at it, little boxes joined by lines, couldn't get it to work, that was enough. If I can't get something to work and get a decent sound out of it in 5 minutes, I'm gone. Sure, you can download learning videos for everything but if the GUI sucks that badly to begin with, are you really going to use it once you've done all the tutes? When there is so much other stuff around that might suit quicker. Edited December 16, 2020 by Tezza 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reid Rosefelt Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 9 hours ago, treesha said: Interesting idea, but I don't know how to insert a vst instrument and then have the chosen similar types of patches show up each in their own track? How is that done? Normally for a few patches I would use a few instances of the vst. thanks Yes, that's right: multiple instances of VSTs. You can see that in the example in the video of my favorite Omnisphere pads, each on its own track. It's around 4:38. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reid Rosefelt Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Tezza said: "we already own something that might be better than the thing we are buying" I feel exposed. I've got Komplete Ultimate 10 and there's a few things there I've never used, like Reaktor, took a look at it, little boxes joined by lines, couldn't get it to work, that was enough. If I can't get something to work and get a decent sound out of it in 5 minutes, I'm gone. Sure, you can download learning videos for everything but if the GUI sucks that badly to begin with, are you really going to use it once you've done all the tutes? When there is so much other stuff around that might suit quicker. At least you tried Reaktor once. That's huge. FYI, Reaktor is not really a thing you need to learn how to use or want to learn how to use. Like Kontakt, it's an ecosystem for creating instruments. You don't have to make your own Kontakt instruments, just play them. Many of the instruments in Komplete are actually Reaktor instruments with nice interfaces . There are third party companies like Blinksonic that make instruments for the Reaktor Player. And there is a huge library of free Reaktor instruments from the Reaktor community. A lot of extremely cool freebies in there. I'm not suggesting that people become expert in something they don't like. But they could at least open up all the stuff in Komplete for a little while, which I'm sure most don't do. If it's in there, I say try it. At least to see what it is. If people bother to buy Arturia V, then maybe they could spend a bit of time with all the synths in that. Open them up, try the presets, see if you can figure out what makes them unique. Otherwise they just keep piling up instruments, synths, and libraries . How does that help you when you sit down to write something? I've been there, and that's what led me to the thinking behind this video. It's not about not buying. I discovered through making templates that I didn't have a B3 that I liked, so I started searching. Now I have the incredible IK one. Making templates can lead to buying. But at the same time, I know that I want to get all the UVI synths, and I know that's not rational. I won't ever be able to get through them. I'm probably better off just buying the ones I definitely want to use. I have as much trouble disciplining my spending as anybody, but using templates has made me more productive. There's no way I could write all the little cues I do for my videos without templates. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yan Filiatrault Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 I find that interesting, but I don’t know how to use the stuff that I buy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jude77 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 There's finally HOPE thanks to Tiger The Frog's "Green Big Deal"! That video was tremendous, but did you happen to know all the stuff I have on my HD? It's uncanny. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reid Rosefelt Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share Posted December 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, jude77 said: There's finally HOPE thanks to Tiger The Frog's "Green Big Deal"! That video was tremendous, but did you happen to know all the stuff I have on my HD? It's uncanny. Tiger is a true frog of the world. He can see far beyond his pond. ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Jones Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Great video Reid. Yeah I actually go through every single preset of my synths but then the synths I get (such as Synth Magic) don't have thousands of presets so it's totally doable over the course of a few weeks, a little each day. I save all the presets I like into categories, and I've litteraly mined all of my synths, including what came with Komplete 10, for all the "best" sounds and saved those preset files into categorized folders. So e.g. I can have a "Plucks" folder that maybe has 50 different plucks from maybe 13 different synths. These days I don't even go directly to my synths anymore but I go straight to those folders for whatever sound I want and instantly call up whatever synth generates whatever sound. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I agree, great video! Templates FTW! I am taking an online class in song composition, where the instructor addressed the issue of too many available sounds at the very beginning. He encourages making a pallete of sounds as being a decision to limit what to use for your project. When you can use anything and everything, that becomes infinitely huge! Which can be terrifying, because we have every option in the world available to us. Too many choices, and as you pointed out, not enough hours in the day. Defining a pallete is limiting the main tools to be used at the beginning of a project. Sounds very similar to your recommended use of templates! For example selecting a set of drums, bass, synths, and other stuff as needed. Not that it can't be changed later, but just something to begin with. Sound design can be done later on, but getting started with a specific set of sounds should get you moving with your song ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reid Rosefelt Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, abacab said: I agree, great video! Templates FTW! I am taking an online class in song composition, where the instructor addressed the issue of too many available sounds at the very beginning. He encourages making a pallete of sounds as being a decision to limit what to use for your project. When you can use anything and everything, that becomes infinitely huge! Which can be terrifying, because we have every option in the world available to us. Too many choices, and as you pointed out, not enough hours in the day. Defining a pallete is limiting the main tools to be used at the beginning of a project. Sounds very similar to your recommended use of templates! For example selecting a set of drums, bass, synths, and other stuff as needed. Not that it can't be changed later, but just something to begin with. Sound design can be done later on, but getting started with a specific set of sounds should get you moving with your song ideas. Exactly @abacab This is the first of a series, as I allude to at the end. I will get into palettes in future videos. You don't need to make templates of sounds if you are able to jump directly to making palettes. I do believe that when you remove the endless choices you become more productive. @Christian Jones is my hero. He's got it together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, Reid Rosefelt said: I do believe that when you remove the endless choices you become more productive. They do seem endless don't they. My frequent downfall is going down the rabbit hole of sound design in the very beginning. I need to better discipline myself to limit my choices up front! ? Looking forward to your future explorations with palettes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tezza Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Christian Jones said: Great video Reid. Yeah I actually go through every single preset of my synths but then the synths I get (such as Synth Magic) don't have thousands of presets so it's totally doable over the course of a few weeks, a little each day. I save all the presets I like into categories, and I've litteraly mined all of my synths, including what came with Komplete 10, for all the "best" sounds and saved those preset files into categorized folders. So e.g. I can have a "Plucks" folder that maybe has 50 different plucks from maybe 13 different synths. These days I don't even go directly to my synths anymore but I go straight to those folders for whatever sound I want and instantly call up whatever synth generates whatever sound. How do you save all the presets from different synths into folders of the same sound type. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pseudopop Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Great. Now I want the Omnisphere. ? The templates are a good idea, though. I know which instruments I own, but all those presets and expansions... 1 hour ago, Tezza said: How do you save all the presets from different synths into folders of the same sound type. I'd like to know, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Jones Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tezza said: How do you save all the presets from different synths into folders of the same sound type. 2 hours ago, Pseudopop said: I'd like to know, too. With Kontakt and all the other NI synths anyway, when you save a preset it creates a preset file you can keep in a folder and I've got a bunch of categorized folders (Pads, Organs etc). Some time ago I spent a few weeks going through all the presets of all my NI synths including the Kontakt factory library and saved the ones I liked into categorized folders and I also renamed each preset to indicate what type of sound a given one is, so I get a lot of info w/o even hearing the preset. So for sounds I just go to those folders and it's quick and easy to audition say a whole folder full of my own plucks presets in Kontakt and same for the other NI synths. It was tedious mining those presets but I did it over time and it's translated to me now having all of my best gem presets from all my synths all in one place, so anytime I'm choosing from any of those presets I'm choosing from cherry picked stuff right off the bat. And I'm getting my gat dang money's worth from the synths I own. Edited December 17, 2020 by Christian Jones don't know 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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