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4 hours ago, John Vere said:

Yes - watching the video which explains all this. 

Do you mean the link below , the first post in this thread?????   (No issue to me, just trying to help @pmj_rit as it wasn't obvious what you meant at least to me, and figured perhaps if you answer before the person having the problem is back it will be clear and they don't have to ask.)

I had coincidentally started trying out Bitwig before the sale, and have been impressed, so went with the sale.  Interesting to see things that still are better in Cakewalk (not a lot, but e.g. and especially audio to MIDI, which I see Bitwig's users complaining about - and to be fair maybe I still haven't researched enough; I paid for Melodyne, anyway, so I can always get around it one way or another, but the workflow in Cakewalk still seems best for my purposes), and loving what Bitwig does that I haven't had access to as I haven't spent time on getting into a more contemporary-footed DAW (in particular the quantization and stretching are fantastic).

I have found a couple times now (and I'd forgotten until going through it again with v15) simply WAITING caused the issues with Waves plugin disappearances!  I don't mean waiting for Cakewalk's apparent scanning as it shows, either,  just literally leaving and coming back in half an hour.  It is as if the apparent scanning is not the only thing going on and perhaps, as I see the cache mentioned above, cache cleaning happens "too" late compared to the user's actions - not saying that's what it is, just saying that's "as if."  I don't claim to know why, specifically.  I just know doing nothing actually works better than screwing around with it from the last 2 Waves updates.

On 5/10/2023 at 10:56 PM, Chris Boshuizen said:

I tried my best today, but I could NOT find a way to export a whole song without selecting Ctrl-A before opening the dialog. None of the options presented seemed to override the prior, arbitrary, track selections. 

Usually I exit the song and go back in, then mix it all down, that's the only way I can be sure.  Seems about 25% of the time I don't do that, as you say, I get one track or some-such unwanted result.

Sorry for the thread-necromancy, just wanted to comment on it.

14 hours ago, Helios.G said:

It's not quiet, they had a press release yesterday.  The product is officially out.

Thanks, didn't see it on the site, just noticed the change in wording.  

So I guess it's official the only sales outlet is via Bandlab, as seems no other info available.

On 4/8/2024 at 7:41 AM, User 905133 said:

The way I have read all the public posts, the Backstage Pass is the alternative way to pay for, download, and run the current early access versions of Cakewalk Sonar and Cakewalk Next.

There is also a way to download, run, and not pay for the early access versions that don't allow people to save their work-in-progress. 

 So far as I have seen there has been no announcement of an official release and pricing options for what will be the commercial products.

 

 

I noticed also that now the Sonar and Next pages refer to the products as normally/now available via Bandlab membership, without any caveats or qualifications, so maybe this is simply the quiet go-live and that's it?  There's nothing on the page indicating that there's any sort of next iteration of making it (even) more broadly available, so to anyone without history, it seems like this is the normative way.  

Though I haven't seen any announcement about the formal retirement/end of life of CbB aside from that it will happen, didn't miss anything  about some new date, correct?  I think I glanced through the major topics, I presume that would generate significant traffic/notice.

On 4/16/2024 at 1:18 PM, GreenLight said:

By the way, to follow discussions about the developments of the new Sonar, is this the best thread for that?

Or even the best forum?  Is there some new/separate place dedicated to Sonar (or Sonar and Next, or whatever)?

Thanks, all, sorry for my late response!  Been busy with a trip and also was curious how long it would take for this to recur (which it just did after >2 weeks).

It *seems* tied to windowing issues, although as of this time I haven't seen any yet; but last time, I could see some window UI oddities at the same time.  I also note that it is very specifically hanging on two events in CbB:  "Start Screen" and only at the point where the main track UI panel finalizes/appears.  

To the above point re this PC's power, yes, hasn't been an issue until quite recently, sometime after the most recent CbB (but, again, I don't want to imply it's that, I'm just identifying general timeframes).

I don't run any defrags on these; stopped years ago even before pure SSDs as with contemporary drives and systems I found it stopped making any difference. 

I'm hesitant to do anything to the SSDs given CbB is the sole application manifesting any real issues (asides from aforementioned, perhaps-coincidental) oddities, and ease of restoration coupled with infrequent occurrence - especially considering whenever Cakewalk has this issue, there's no obvious issues going on with video editing and rendering, let alone any other applications.

Thx re RAMMap tip; I'll keep an eye.  I did clear memory just now, as you mentioned, @OutrageProductions, but to no avail/no difference.  Yes, there was a lot of memory in standby, but clearing it made no difference.

From experience, I'd rather leave Windows indexing services running on the current OS, if CbB is the sole application that suffers from it.   Disabling the fetching made no difference.

No Windows updates appear to be running (tho' good callout, have seen those cause other issues).

Thx re Magician, though the drives aren't supported for diagnostic scan.  Though no apparent issues at least re heat or other indicators.  As said, not too eager to do much on drives if only CbB suffers while my video stuff has no issues.

On 5/19/2024 at 4:02 PM, Promidi said:

What are your PC specs?

main stuff - 

Asus ROG STRIX B550-F motherboard
Ryzen 7 5800X CPU
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Ti graphics card
Corsair RM850X power supply
Windows 11 Home 23H2
64 GB RAM

happy to answer more, thx

On 5/19/2024 at 2:35 PM, John Vere said:

Samsung has a app called the Magician that will test your SSD drives. 
I had a slowdown issue about a year ago and turned out my data drive for Cakewalk was not running at specs at all. Turns out things like audio and video editing can max out the read/ write cycle these drives have. It was only 60 % used but super high on the cycling.
I cloned it using the app to a new better drive and my problem was solved.
Not to waist anything  I did a slow format and the old drive was good again so I used it in another computer.  

Would Cakewalk really be the sole application symptomatic (including editing/rendering video) if there were an SSD issue?  I do run anyway some "casual" diagnostics which haven't shown anything, but can do something more in-depth.  

Thanks for the suggestions, appreciated. 

Nope, no spinning drives left at least in terms of anything Cakewalk uses at all (external storage devices only, internal drives are both SSD).

I was thinking fragmentation be consistently symptomatic with other drive-hungry applications and, moreover, have some consistency in terms of when/what Cakewalk is loading?

Nothing seemingly relevant in Admin Events/nothing tied to when this happened again yesterday evening.

Nothing I see unusual.

Sorry, what sort of independent monitoring SW, to see which aspects in particular?

Will try, especially to see if it works even though the system has plenty of standby right now, for example, thanks.

Hi,

I have the latest CbB.  Perhaps since getting that, as it started happening recently (last couple months), without obvious proximate cause, that at some point after my PC's been running for "a while", however many days, CbB will suddenly become painfully slow in launching and doing any operations at all.  The easy and quick solution is to reboot.  Clears it up every time.

I'm not suggesting CbB is the cause; whatever the cause is, CbB appears to be the only symptomatic application.  There is no obvious plugin use or obviously distinctive activity or predecessor that triggers this.

Any advice on figuring out what may be the cause is welcome.  There's no obvious memory consumption problems, no overloaded processor.   Occurs whether the C drive has more or less data.  It typically occurs upon application launch, though most recently it became symptomatic upon opening another Cakewalk file whereas one was already open and performance had been just fine until opening the second file (and this file has no issues otherwise, and opens fine upon reboot or the like; also, yes, I can repeat the process within Cakewalk, but the symptoms will not repeat).

The only theory I presently have is that there's some sort of memory fragmentation that develops after startup, again no idea what application(s) might be the cause if so (Vegas across multiple recent releases would be a candidate; perhaps the most recent CbB), and at some point Cakewalk is struggling to properly address memory.  But doesn't seem so likely.  

Suggestions welcome.  Not a huge issue, just would be nice to resolve/make life a little easier.  Thank you!

On 4/3/2024 at 10:09 AM, Terry Kelley said:

While I personally think we are being “strung along” at this point,  I don’t think it’s the developers doing it and I get the impression they would give us everything we want - if they could. We can bitch at them until the cows come home and all they can do is pass it on. Why bother them with that. 

Talk to Bandlab directly.

I was a developer and development manager for many years and we had little direct say in the pricing and rollout other than giving an opinion. It was marketing, sales and finance that drove the pricing and rollout. 
 

I'm not suggesting the "bakers" are responsible.  

This is the forum I am on, this is the one where we talk about the product, if Bandlab isn't somehow incorporating this feedback it is not my job to do their sentiment analysis and so forth for them, nor to chase after wherever they might be when this is very clearly a forum they know people are voicing opinions (PS - more specifically, come for support, which will beget a lot of feedback with it; it's their job to review that correspondence, and if they aren't, that says a lot about the company and direction; it also tells me then there's no point in voicing anything at all to them).

On 3/14/2024 at 5:30 AM, Sal Sorice said:

Add me to the list experiencing blurriness in Sonar.

This is on my Samsung 55" Crystal 4k UHD AU 8000 HDR TV, 3840x2160 with Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Gaming OC (rev 2.0), 12GB of GDDR6 VRAM / 7680 x 4320 Max Digital Resolution.

Here are some side-by-side images from CbB and Sonar. Sonar seems more blurry.  I'm clueless when it comes to this vector graphics stuff, just hoping things can be made sharper and maybe with larger fonts - note how much smaller the fader font is on Sonar.

 

Maybe it's my eyes/prescription (or just that I don't clean my lenses enough, haha) but seems fine to me except that I prefer the font in the CbB, that seems to cause the equivalent of "blurring" in the Sonar one, a bit of "messy" what-is-it, kerning?  some-such...my spouse professionally knows this stuff but not handy   

On 3/12/2024 at 12:04 PM, reginaldStjohn said:

Maybe I am just getting old but I don't think flat looks modern. I think it looks more retro and simplistic.  In the end I don't care that much but even the apps at my work are going more flat and minimalistic. I think it is more of a style, preference, then looking more modern or "better".

As a side note looking at Hillmy screen shots I would have to agree that the CBL images look "cleaner" and more defined then the Sonar ones.

 you're like me, old enough to see it come around again.  

from what I see it's a seesaw in underlying notions of what is crisp, what is attractive, what is frictionless; I doubt it will ever be "solved" (I remember, what was it, the '90s, the dream of every user having their own UI - I guess that will come back again sometime tho' is mostly disdained/in disrepute, and I do understand the issues with non-directed/non-best-practice UI paths

On 3/11/2024 at 3:34 PM, Hillmy said:

Tungsten. CbB:

Tungsten Sonar:

CbB:

Sonar:

CbB is more well defined and different color shades show more details and make things very clear at first glance. I don't mean blurry. I just mean that it is more clear in CbB to figure out everything at first glance. You can even tell the boundary boxes in console and inspector view. Nothing seems flat and you can tell when one section or box starts and ends. In Sonar the Sends don't even look like a box, just a flat plane. Also buttons don't look like obvious buttons. 

I'm sure Sonar can look like CbB with a little more work and I am sure vector graphics are not a limitation. If there is a way I could make it look like CbB myself I would but I am not sure if the option is even there. 

From the screen shots, the Sonar Tungsten seemed fine to me, no "significant" difference.  But that might be the difference of looking at these shots versus a live screen in front of me.  In any case, thanks much; to me it seems like whenever Bandlab is ready to be more clear about the commercial path generally it's looking fine to migrate to me/for my purposes.  But also not seeing any reason to change until I must.

I'm not necessarily against a subscription model.  I'm not necessarily against a Bandlab membership model.  Will just wait and see.  I don't see a reason to lose time on projects in preparing for a change when it's so speculative, for my own/our situation.  Worst case I pay for an unwanted year or such of some subscription while looking at alternatives, which I'd rather do than lose time on projects now.

That said, Bandlab has all the earmarks of a company that emphasizes growth to then do a hard "enshittification," as the term has been popularized.  But, hey, even those companies can still be relatively okay in the marketplace, such as it is.

7 minutes ago, pwal³ said:

Of course they provide feedback internally, but they're the developers not the business, get a grip

My grip is if the business does not listen to the developers, the business is at fault.

On 3/22/2024 at 4:39 PM, Jimbob Blues said:

 

This horse just will not die, will it?

 

I think it's difficult to tell if anyone's really listening; if so, it shouldn't die, but if they aren't, then, to your point, it's indeed beating a dead horse.  Hard to say.  I proceed in hopes that the company is all ears.

On 3/21/2024 at 2:08 PM, Terry Kelley said:

The "Bakers" don't have any control over the rollout plan. They said it before and can say it again. They aren't setting the prices and terms - Bandlab is. We should be sending emails and comments to Bandlab and let the developers work on the program in peace.

The problem with these types of "get your music heard" subscriptions is they don't work. Of the people I have spoken too about Bandlab, Landr, Soundcloud, etc. people rarely go there to find new music. They hear it elsewhere and go to these place to find what they heard.

Now many of these places do distribute your music to various sites (Youtube, Amazon, Spotify,  Pandora, Jango, etc.) for a cost (to you) but in the end, playing live is how you get exposed. Tossing a bunch of tracks on Soundcloud and then having them distributed will pretty much get you nothing - most of the time. There are some success stories but they are rare.

I really don't want to have to buy/pay/rent/subscribe to sites like this. I want a DAW. It's simple. A DAW. Bandlab is not a carrot.

If Bandlab isn't watching this forum, that's Bandlab's problem.  
 

If "the Bakers" are interacting here, it's also their obligation to provide feedback within their company based on those interactions.  A company official cannot transact with customers and then disclaim it isn't their role to provide feedback, or such.  (And I'm not suggesting whatsoever that the engineers are making such disclaiming, and I have full confidence that they provide feedback.  If not, well, that's on the company.)

On 3/21/2024 at 9:59 AM, John Nelson said:

So far, users have to wrap our heads around,

1. The announcement was made, what, nine months ago?  It's uncommon to say the least for a rollout to take this along. Especially since....

2. There really are no feature updates. Just a HiDPI update and some bug fixes, which is expected from any product.

3. There has been zero clarity as to how much the thing will sell for and how it will be paid.  The "pssst, over here" Bandlab sneak peek thing is lame. Sorry, it just is.  Someone who subscribes to Bandlab just for the Sonar access might end up paying twice one the real pricing is rolled out.  This is the weirdest, softest rollout of any software I have ever seen, bar none.

4. And Bandlab...some legacy Cakewalk Plugins and Virtual Instruments aren't really worth much of anything in 2024. Session Drummer?  Concrete Limiter? C'mon man.

Precisely.  

"This is the weirdest, softest rollout of any software I have ever seen, bar none."  

On 3/18/2024 at 5:10 PM, John Vere said:

They will loose a few but my guess is they have already added a million new users! So saying you are switching to another DAW just because you don't like what is happening is sort of pointless to me. Just sit back, take a long draw on the reefer and relax! It's all just for entertainment! I'm still making some great music and it's been free for so so long I could care less about the stinking $15 a month fee. And I might just try using Bandlab as my Distribution server. Distro KId  ( guess the You Tuber who recommends we sign up for that is??)  just gave me a deposit for $5.35 after 4 months. And they took 30% ( american) taxes off that! I'm pulling my songs. I'm totally being ripped off and they run away with my annual fee. So I;ll see what happens with Bandlab. There are probably all Sharks. Fins Up everyone!  

@Terry Kelley 100% agree with

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I think it's suitable for people to complain here.  If the complaints here are not heard, that's not on the consumers, that's on the company.  

Just wanted to check back again where you accessed this link from, @OutrageProductions?  Still same issue as above, but I could come back here to this and use your link to get to support.

I do think the vast majority who know enough to think about plugins will be looking around for them and find out info, etc..  

But bundled plugins are nice, especially, of course, if they are great plugins.  I regret a bit that I never spent time on much that came with Sonar/Cakewalk as I also discovered plugins independently of the tool, and some of the bundled ones can be their own enticements.  But the real enticements, IMHO, are not the freebies or "good" stock ones, but the big-name ones (as people look those up and get impressed, plus it is, usually, a real value - I once bought a software just for the discounted plugin as the bundle was a ridiculously great deal) and any "amazing little secrets."  Otherwise, it's just noise.

PS - if I click "sign in" up top, it takes me away from that link and never goes back, just FYI.

But it's no problem to submit the request from this link, worked absolutely fine, thanks again!  Will be curious to see where you accessed that from and see what happens when I access from that same link/page.