Brian Walton

Across 4 different Windows 10 computers over the past year. Thankfully I now own almost everything but the demo process was anything but enjoyable, getting it to work without the periodic noise was rare. And before and after the new AT updates that allegedly let you demo in the product. I realize that it isn't supposed to happen but 4 computers and before and after version releases suggests to me it isn't perfect. Once purchased no problems.

Well that and very persistent frequent white noise that makes the demo close to worthless. It is supposed to only do this after a trial, but I did this with at least 7 products, even while keeping custom shop and install manager open. (I usually just bought it or made it as my freebie to get rid of the noise.) YMMV

Yeah, that is what I thought is the case but unless it is actually "free" then it isn't a feature of the product offering as @Matthew Sorrels eloquently stated. I appreciate an affordable pricing model....but saying we never go on sale isn't a banner worthy claim.

I've spent the last hr trying to make up my mind if they think never on sale means no discounts or if they are "not for sale" as in free. Also with new instruments released every week, and the piano is at something like 6 gigs, have to wonder about space.

Listening to the demo it sounds like they were processed through amps already. Hopefully they have a DI option within the set?

Yep I'm in the same boat. Upgrade price isn't anywhere close to what I'd want to spend given how little I've used GP3 (and it doesn't have a VST version to cross save settings). But at $30, I was going to do the upgrade.

Nope, they took it away before I could pull the trigger.. ☹️

You have to register by the end of October, then you have -30 days to make selections from what I understand.

Yeah I did 4 buy ins to try to get everything to reduce the stress and still came up just a little short...

It has been a mixed bag. Got lots of amazing products, but many hours of my life were wasted with stress of selections, telling people about the deal, checking every couple hours to see how the progress was coming along for more freebies, etc. Then there is the need for a new hard drive due to the monsterous size of all these products (coupled with the limited time to download everyhting before having to pay again) Still going through stress as a good friend hasn't had the time to go to the store and buy a physical product (the deal would be worthless for him without an interface) and it has gotten to the point that a shipment would be far to risky to not make the registration deadline.

Intersted to try this but also curious how the routing would actually work with Cakewalk. Have melodyne, but haven't been impressed with teh conversion for the price. JamOrigin is what I want but the $150 buy in is a little steap (used to be $99 and always hoped for a discount)

I already have that one, but not sure it contains the grouping function, and I don't remember it having an exact setting for the level you want to hit. Might need to revisit.

Looks like terrible authorization ilock cloud which requires constant internet connection or physical ikok. No local authorization. Hard pass on anything they make

I'm partial to the Autority Echoes T7e mk ii (no ilok or invasive style DRM - just a license file tied to my name - displayed on the plugin) https://www.audiority.com/shop/echoes-t7e/

Not an informed opinion, but in the little bit of research I did for reviews on this (they announced this was coming on social media a few days ago) the small consensus was pretty mixed. Not that it has all the bells and whistles, but I'm thinking about checking out Hornet's Normalizer for some of the same ideas at a $4 price point. https://www.hornetplugins.com/plugins/hornet-thenormalizer/

This is what always comes to mind....yet the OP plugin doesn't replicate the Binson Echorec, it was the first thing I checked with a delay plugin called Echoes....

For those that don't know there is a also a stripped down version of this plugin via Computer Music Magazine "free" with purchase of the magazine. Audio Thing Orb CM

Outside of waiting on a future group buy where yet to be released products would be included, I'd think now is the time to jump in. Especially if you don't have the amps/cabs/effects that are only available with MAX or individual purchase. The Two Dr Z amps in that catergory get more use from me than just about anything else. Since you need the matching cabs, those 2 amps take up 4 slots and so forth (HiWatt, ENGL Blackmore amp, and the Wampler and T-Rex pedals being some more). Amps are usually in the $25-35 range and the Cabs are like $10 a piece. These "premium brand" effects are also $25 each .

The question raised isn't if it sound 100% like the guitar sampled. With all the talk in the video about the fact it is taken from a 75 Gibson branded SG with a specific set of pickups in it....don't seem nitpicky to discuss if it even really sounds like what we (some of us are guitar players not keyboard players) expect a guitar to sound like. They called the instrument a Guitar and go into detail about the specifc guitar used, etc. This thread reads the gamit of most realistic guitar sound from a keyboard to don't even sound like a guitar. This is hardly nickpicking when you have that kind of disparity.

No, it is intended design. After the trial you get to keep a version that removes access to advanced tweaks but let's you use some basic things. This isn't the first time they did this concept. Not a bad idea to add some incentive to actually install it

Yeah I don't care that I don't think it sounds like an authentic guitar. It sounds very usable, just a commenting based on a post or two suggesting it sounds like a convincing guitar. And figured it was worth a note as someone that has played an SG for around 25 years, not sure I agree, and not from the stand point of being nit picky. The sounds it is making do sound excellent. Curious the DL size Based on this synthesis idea, I certainly wasn't expecting the piano to be over 6gigs.

True, but I feel like I can't make an full blown rig with it in standalone (on a machine that is older but still capable in most respects) and run it at the latency I want either.

Considering they make a version of this application that runs on a phone....I think it is reasonable to expect that we shouldn't need a state of the art computer to run the sister application on a reasonable spec computer. Not only that but fire up a plugin alliance Amp sim that only takes up like 20megs of HD space, uses very little processing power and sounds and responds as good as anything in AT5 and we are left wondering about the efficiency of an app that takes longer to load than any other VST I have out of a couple thousand. I like AT5, big upgrade from 4, but the Amplitube Plugin which is a plugin that one REALLY needs to run at the lowest possible latency - which by nature will tax a computer, needs to be one that is efficient.

I still own one as it is one of my favorite guitars to play. (Derek Trucks is the king of SG tone) That said, I don't think this really sounds like a guitar to me....but it does share some qualities of a vintage SG recorded straight to board. For a guitar VSTi - guitar recorded straight in is what I'd want so that I can use any amp sim on it. I'll hold judgement until I hear it in that context, but the demos to me sound like interesting tone/insturment but not really a great representation of an electric guitar that someone would want to use on its own as the sound of an electric. The pickups used in a 70s era SG vs what most SGs of the 90s and 2000s (not the 62 reissue kind of stuff) are quite different. The SG sound we associate with Angus, Townshend and Clapton is more about the amp used than the guitar, in my opinion. Even Angus who is perhpas the quintessential SG player (along with Iommi) played a LP on some tracks and really the only way we know this isn't becuase of a drastic change in tone.

Confirmed, looks like it is, likley makes it eaiser for them to implement the "use once per account"