Brian Walton

Ha, the Waves idea is terrible for anyone. WUP is a terrible practice, and this new model just makes it more palitable for the suckers that buy into it. (checked my account, think I paid less for the plugins than what the WUP costs)

A lot of it has to do with the major influx of people that actually use a laptop for the majority of their work (many of which are not even recording instruments or vocals with regularity). I prefer the traditional full blown computer setup. But will admit that my mobile rig is nice that I can go record somethign and then dock it at home with multiple monitors, USBs, Interface, etc Without having to transfer files. With the move to make shift studios and recordings at home instead of always in a real studio, having the mobile options in addition to the real full blown setup at home is really common place. I might be working on one project, then need to leave for a mobile session recording. Time is valuabe to the pro and non-pro. There is also the issue if something goes wrong. With one seat you are screwed if you HD dies or that USB stick it was tied to dies. My experience with WAVES support (and others) means I'm not back up and running in minutes, it could be days or weeks. With a couple seats, you can move things around if one machine/method just dies.

It is super common to have more than one machine. When I'm using the laptop, I don't have "free" USB ports to give up, and transfering from USB and ilok to the local machine to use is really annoying for a product I purchased. Certianly can't give up 1 port let alone 2 since these VSTs have different authorization needs. Heaven help you if you also use something like Reason with yet another stick. ? I use way more than 2 computers, but I also know I'm in the minority on that front.

Almost all other companies give 2 seats per purchase (perpetually) not just tied to basically a subscription model. I'm not giving them any credit at all on this one. They are basically just tacking on a subscription cost to get a 2nd seat. If they just applied a 2nd seat to everyones account for each plugin they already had. ...I'd give them credit to getting up to industry standard.

Just treating customers like dirt. That is the mistake.

only valid during WUP? It would be more cost effective just to re-buy the plugins on sale, thus giving 2 seats per. Too little to late.

Thanks, I've picked up a number of plugins on that site over the years. Guess that Tremolo never caught my eye previous. Not sure why, GUI is excellent....and after trying it out, I really like it.

Small word of "warning" While free, the plugin does have a splash page, which they note will get more annoying over time.

I'm not a betting man, but I'm strongly guessing the current offer of $49 of buy v1 and get the v2 upgrade when it comes out free is as good as it is going to get until a fire sale at some point. A different workflow and layout (and in my mind, some different features) than those. I have Instachord, but personally Sclaer makes more sense to me and I find it easier to use (Cthulhu and Riffer to me are completely different products). I'm also not a keys player and while I've been making music for 20+ years, theory never really interested me. I care about emotion and feel, Theory in my world is only a tool to get there. And scaler makes sense on that front, even putting descriptions of feelings along with Scales it selects as options for a chord. If it makes sense for you to purchase that probably depends on what you want to get out of it. (I have instachord, Cthulhu CM but basically don't use them). Scaler 2 will have a place in my workflow for some projects.

Tried about 10 times, can't the the Windows 64 bit one to download. They must have some hosting problems. Have blazing fast speeds on other sites. Never downloads more than about 3 megs before stopping (expected 7.7 meg file)

"pre-order" Wondering if it will be release and still relevant. Price is awfuly steap.

Interesting, is this based on having experience with the beta 2 for scaler as well or just on previous versions? Would certainly be curious where you find chord prism to be a better option.

It will be a paid upgrade unless you buy it within this window from all reports I've read. There is already another thread on this in the deals section. I'll be surprised if anyone recommends ChordPrism over Scaler 2.

No DAW is world class at this Soundforge is the gold standard. This isn't to say something isn't better, but if you have the Pro version (and since it was upgraded to 64 bit), realistically it is highly unlikely you would need anything else. Goldwave is fine, but looks horrific. The annoying part of all of these is lack of real smooth integration in Cakewalk.

Yes, and I was only aware of one big price drop when it was out. Honestly I'd expect Scaler 2 to have an up-tick in price. I can't predict the future, but I'd personally expect $49 to be the new discounted price (when it does go on sale) for Scaler 2. Who knows though. I wouldn't say this about many programs, but seems like $49 is a reasonable price. With Scaler 1 going on sale for $29 last year, hopeful for a $20 upgrade cost.

I'd rather die than pay that much for a reverb that isn't a pedal or rack mount unit. (considering the other options on the market)

For free, I was a champion of Breverb, but Phoenix blows it out of the water for natual - not there kind of algo reverb (not a fan of the single ilok policy - so had to buy 2). Great that Breverb can be used on any project/machine though.

I love Reverb, but honestly just a few are really all I need. Phoenix XenoVerb Arturia Plate (was using WAVES Abbey Road, but so CPU hungry that I more or less gave up on it) NI - Replica and Raum Hyperspace CM Overloud Remaxtix for Convolution Even with that I feel like I don't really need the others I have

Which if the other statements made about upgrade pricing hold true, seems like the upgrade will be pretty reasonable. I was expecting a bump in price for the product overall, but this grace period suggests a timeframe where you can actaully order the thing for $49.

The "TV" as a monitor problem has nothing to do with a 4K card to drive it. just trust the articles and stay away from them as an option. Too much glare, reflections, flicker, etc. They are fine if you are going to spend an hour a day in front of it, but if you are using it for long session and on a regular basis, they are painful to look at in that setting with computer type of content (ie. not watching video)

Out of the two I'd keep the Dell. Wouldn't even consider the Samsung. That being said, neither would be my choice.

It is actual reality. My experience and you can look up the fact I wasn't the only one. WAVES flat out refused to help unless an upgrade to v10 or 11 was made. I followed the directions to a "t" and I have managed a large fleet of computers and IT professionals, I'm not exactly a novice in the area of software deployment. v10 are running fine on my machines right now, but v9 are still dead in the water and I have no inteniton on upgrading them. The OP wanted real world advice, and I'm not going to sit by and blindly say it is all perfect on the WAVES front. Example other user had to pay $200 to get them to work,a and others note issues as well: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Waves-plugin-issues-SOLVED-m3765828.aspx https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=515929 They also have one of the poorest liscencing terms in the business. One single install per purchase.

I have over 20 WAVES plugins. They should in theory work. However, what version of the one WAVES plugin do you have? If it isn't 10 or 11, I would be somewhat concerned that it will not work after you buy new plugins that are v11. And WAVES won't support you on that plugin unless you pay for the WUP which will probably cost about as much as buying it on sale. This isn't conjecture, this is from experience, where I have v9 plugins that literally no longer work (and I am well above average when it comes to computers, it is part of my full time job). If you buy v11s now, I would expect those to continue to work for 3-5 years as long as you do not try to install Waves Central again, or purchase more plugins by them. If you do, then all bets are off, as WAVES central Updates have historically been problematic. The VST standards changing are not your concern over that time frame, it is WAVE's own unreliable update and authorization process. I'd take a long hard look at what you are trying to get from WAVES and then consider alternative products. Omni Channel is one of the only ones I've found that is hard to find elsewhere for a reasonable sum. PSP Ininistrip being an obvious one, but far more expensive (and the authorization method not being world better thanks to iLok. They make good sounding plugins, but in my experience have been in the lowest end for reliability if you make changes to the system, and outside of the WUP (which is outrageous) they do not offer support even with their slogan of "your plugins should continue to work" for old versions. Yes, those VST standards haven't been broken, but the authorization and install method got jacked up when they rolled out new WAVES Central and new Versions.

All of their top tier programs are something special. I think I'd want Neutron Advanced as providing the most value to the average user. The potential gains there seem of a higher order than the improvements of Ozone Advanced over Elements. Of course if you are a Mastering Engineer, Ozone Advance would pay for itself at the $166 price.

It is actually quite powerful on its own. If they were not giving it away, it is a no-brainer purchase on sale. While the "re mixing" functions of the higher tier options are kind of mind blowing. Arguably that stuff should be handled by the mix in the first place (which most of us are likley the author of).