Steev

I don't believe bit depth is an issue with DX (audio plugins) and DXi (instruments) as they run on Windows Direct X runtime component built into every version of Windows. However, it's a serious issue with VST and VSTi plugins because they are "stand alone" apps that don't rely on any one particular OS. Does the x32 bit version of SONAR even recognize VST 3 plugins?

What happened most likely depends on what OS version you are running on your computer, and IF the old software/plugins are so outdated that Windows 10 had blocked/tagged them as possible security issues? (Assuming you even are running Win 10?)

And or corrupted/ broken "paths" in Windows "registry" and maybe confusion between the different paths of "Program Files" and "x86 Program File" folders?

It's generally a BAD idea to keep running x32 bit apps on an x64 bit OS computer.

ALL support for 32 bit apps and programs have already been, or are being phased out of Windows 10, and Cakewalk by Bandlab doesn't support an x32 bit version of the DAW at all. But both Splat & CbB  DAW's do in fact serve as an excellent "Host" for running  x32 FX plugins and instruments.

There is no reason to keep running an x32 bit version of SONAR on an x32 bit computer as the x64 version will recognize and run all DX/ DXi and older 32 bit VST/VSTi plugins, and do so MUCH better MORE efficiently.

That being said, there is REALLY no good reason to run SONAR at all being CbB is really just a newer ever evolving updated version with continuing support. If Bandlab didn't change the name it would still be SONAR, just v20+ or maybe v30+ or something by now. ?

Although I do sometimes spark up SPLAT on occasion when opening up very old projects (just in case) The only reason I still have it installed is for licensing purposes for bundled Cakewalk & 3rd party software that isn't included CbB, and I've had little to no problems or surprises either DAW opening projects going back as far as work originally done with SONAR Producer 2 running on Windows 2000 when I couldn't trust Win XP x64 bit computers where nothing more the a distant wet dream..

 Ah those were the dayz, when I couldn't trust XP until about it's final year when Microsoft FINNALY got it STABLE about a year before Win "Millenium" was released and then the cycle of crap continued ON & ON and I continued to rely on XP for my SONAR workstation until Win v7 and Microsoft FINALLY figured out how to make a reliable x64 OS. It was so good and reliable for so long, I didn't even hesitate to JUMP on Win 10 and since then I NEVER LOOKED BACK!

Yeah, it's been a long and bumpy ride and I DON'T see much to "wax poetic" about NOR do I miss recording to tape either.... ?

Ah where would we be without a sense of humor? ?

I've been using Cakewalk DAWs for 3 decades, and while there were certainly occasional problematic updates, 9 out 10 problems I've had with it were MY FAULT.

Of course, I could easily blame that on drinking too much or smoking too much weed, but still it was my fault for drinking too much or smoking too much weed, now isn't it?

 I've tried every major DAW & more than several minor DAWs, and I'll stand firmly on my experiences that the CbB DAW, Support Team, AND forum help is all SECOND TO NONE.

Gett'in all pissy and scrapping Cakewalk ain't gonna fix yer rig.

That being said, 9 out of 10 times when you get that setup error code it's a "warning sign" that your Windows Registry has so many broken/dead end paths it's attempting to follow thru with it exceeds the limits of the computer's RAM & HD Disc's cache's swap file space, and times out giving you an error message. It has nothing to do with how much open "storage space" is left on your HD or SSD.

Just because the 1st time you've seen this error message was with trying to install CbB does NOT mean it's the fault of the DAW.

My 1st solution, or most likely educated guess if you will, would be the beginning of a Windows Reg. corruption/meltdown.

This could POSSIBLY be fixed with a reg cleaner app for FREE.

        2nd beginnings of HD/SSD failure.  NOT FREE.

        3rd your computer especially if it's a gen 5 Intel or earlier, may be getting bogged down by an exploit. You're SCREWED, you need a NEW COMPUTER. There are very good reasons  why Microsoft won't budge on allowing Windows 11 update for any computer WITHOUT an UEFI BIOS &  "Secure Boot 2.0" chip (made before 2018). It's a long boring technical story only "GEEKS" can understand..?

I can go on & on, but I'm only guessing and these guessing only get considerably WORSE & scary from here.

If you have 5 tracks selected/highlighted and "accidently" move/nudge one the other 4 selected tracks will "accidently" move together.

Easy fix. Select/Highlight the tracks by holding down the Ctrl button on the keyboard while clicking on the tracks you want to move/nudge with your mouse, then drag them where they belong whilst hold down the mouse button and BAM! problem solved. ??

Hmm.,,, ?..... That SURE  looks like a REGISTRY ERROR MESSAGE TO ME.

The good people of CbB Support are ignoring you because this isn't a problem with Cakewalk, it's with your WINDOWS REGISTRY.

I would highly recommend doing a fresh CLEAN install of Windows and KEEP EVERYTHING up to DATE .

Or you can spend several hours trying to fix it yourself, or try to use this utility tool with from the link below which has a 50/50% chance of fixing it, but believe me, if you continue to not keep your software updated it won't fix it for long, and it's a LOT quicker & less painful to perform a CLEAN Windows INSTALL.

How to Fix Your PC | Windows Techies

4 hours ago, The Online Busker said:

Thanks man, yeah checked that, all ok, and as said, it works fine on other DAW (Mixcraft, ProTools)

System is:

HP Omen (Gaming laptop)

i7 6 Nucleo 4Ghz

24G RAM DDR4

SSD NVMe M2 drive....
Shouldn't be the system if it works on other DAW, right?  #confused 

Ah, I had a very similar problem with my HP laptop that was driving me bonkers when I had 24 gigs with 3 SODIM memory sticks installed, and believe the problem may very well be your RAM memory config. My laptop's mainboard wouldn't support running in "Duel Channel" memory mode unless it had an even number "MATCHED PAIR" of physical RAM cards/sticks installed.

You'll need to look in the manual to identify which memory slots are paired together, then you can try pulling the 1 out of the slot that the documentation says is paired with the empty slot.

And if that does the trick you will also notice a nice little kick in the GAS in overall computer performance.

Hope this helps, & good luck!

Yeah me too, and that's why I'm offering up "A Buddy Guy Xmas Jammie" open multi-track jam created in Cakewalk by Bandlab, then published to Bandlab in the spirit of giving and sharing for any & all who would like to jump in, jam, bend, spindle, mutilate, and,  and, and, uuUmmm, aaahhh,  OWN IT⁉

Yes. I'm thinking years back I purchased the CA2A for about $100 as an "add on" plugin/module from the SONAR Store, & it compares very favorably to my vintage Teletronix LA2A hardware. More so, because the LA2A is OLD & requires a good deal of maintenance or it gets quirky and or bitchy, & I can only use the Teletronix on one "MONO" track at a time, and that's kind of a PITA all in itself.  But being software plugins, they run "in" CbB & processed "thru" my glitch free Focusrite 18i20 audio interface I don't have to worry about all the vintage ( which in reality, is just a 7 letter word for OLD) hardware glitches and I can run as MANY instances of the CA2A's or PC2A's on as many tracks as I want in either 'mono' or "stereo", and even use it as a stereo buss compressor.

HowEVER! Do keep in mind that your DAW and FX plugins you use are only as good as the hardware you are running them on. ?

The Cakewalk CA2A can also be used as a standard VST plugin so it can be used in any other DAW that supports VST's.

I'm not sure if you can do that with the Bandlab PC2A, but it works the same as a ProChannel module and it is now FREE! ??

Ain't technology GRAND? ?

Somehow this got stuck in my head yesterday as I was noodling 'round mindlessly playing piano.

 I got inspired by the TruePianos VSTi which came bundled with SONAR Platinum years ago that I forgot about or never really explored or messed around much with on my Edirol 48 key PCR 500 MIDI keyboard, but playing it with my much later tech and much more highly advanced MIDI control from my Novation Impulse 61, I really got lost in jamming on TruePiano.

 And then acu guitar, then guitar, bass, and..............

Then I shut off the metronome, sparked up my Alesis Sample Pad Pro and beat out some simple drums using another GREAT bundled piece of SPLAT software, Addictive  Drums 2, than added some strings with Cakewalk Studio Instruments

ALL started with rediscovering a a quite beautiful VSTi that I had ignored for YEARS just inspired this flow getting "beamed" to me from outer space? each track, one after the other just seemed intimately familiar, yet I couldn't place where I heard it before, or if I only felt it before.

And before I realized I had been at for over an hour or so.......... My coffee had gone cold & I had to PEE LIKE A RACE HORSE!?

Is it a song I heard before? ?

? the Things that Drives me CrAzY ? jammie

On 10/29/2021 at 12:40 PM, Helen Aoki said:

If you want affordable sample drum loop sample packs then I would recommend Sikk sounds.

Their quick loop sample pack contains everything you need for your productions in a single convenient location. The kit includes everything from bass loops to drum loops to composition/melodic loops to bonus loops! You'll never have to pay exorbitant prices for loop samples again simply because they contain what you're looking for. With the quick loop sample, music production has just gotten a whole lot easier.

Tell me what do you think about this?

Umm, well I'm not one for using "loops", but umm.. ? howz about that 'lil website called BANDLAB.COM? ? Perhaps you can find the drum loops you're looking for there IN THEIR VAST EVER EXPANDING FREE LOOP LIBRARY! ?

Really can't get much more affordable then that.

and when i die I won't be com'in 'round here no more, I can tell ya that.  ???

OMG, I hope I can still have babies after experiencing this Or umm, maybe I don't, too much Chaos to decide one way or ta otter. All I know is I ? Jacyn just as much as Laurin! if they really even exist, but you don't care. ?

Excellent revision of one of my all time favorite boogie tunes that I almost completely forgot about. Much thanks & respect for doing such a fine job of dusting the cobwebs from my brain pan. ?

Maybe on the Cover of the Rolling Stone?

Or not, but it sure couldn't hurt.. ??☮

On 9/2/2021 at 11:36 AM, jack c. said:

i can feel your pain brother!!!!!!!!!!!nice job.intro a tad too many instruments.jack c.

Yeah, I kinda agree about too many instruments & some pretty radical "The Beatles" like panning for my taste's as well, but it's all good & this is a blues jam after all, and this mix was done by Renee Dragoo-Farner's  Bandlab crew, and BB King was featured in many live "Mega Jams" on YOUtube.

 They probably thought I would be offended if they removed some of my tracks and replaced them with their own performances but I don't really care about stuff like that. I'm just happy to create backing tracks that inspire her others enough to belt it out singing into her cellphone or whatever, and keep my "chops" up and flowing. ?

On 8/26/2021 at 10:13 PM, Bert Guy said:

Barman,  bring me a double-shot of Bulleit95 and a longneck PBR !

?????☮

@Wookiee Thanks so MUCH for your kind words Wookie, jamming in CbB &  Bandlab with peeps anywhere & any time is about as much fun as I've ever had with or without my clothes on I kin tell ya! ????

And while we were sleeping.???.  let the jams forever live on. ??☮

And How Blue Can Renee Get?

On 8/16/2021 at 3:49 PM, jack c. said:

right on brother.jack c.bring down harp in reference to voice.just a few less fast sax notes.

Thanks for the input Jack. ?? Each instrument and part is on it's own track in Bandlab's Mix Editor and can be completely remixed, automated, cut, copied, pasted, and or deleted & replaced, and tweaked to taste with a rather large collection of FX plugins provided and included with the surprisingly powerful box of tools in Bandlab Mix Editor.??

Please feel free to "fork" it and make it your own and show me what you mean..?

The Blues belongs to no one. ☮

On 8/22/2021 at 9:40 AM, mark skinner said:

 Steev , That sounded like "everybody" had a Great time.  Very cool collaboration.  I'm missing a lot by not having internet in my barn studio.  Enjoyed it ..   mark

Thanks much Mark, yeah jamming over the Internet is really a BLAST, it's so much fun & EASY, and you are missing OUT on a LOT. ?

I found if you record play/sequence each horn part to it's own track and don't go out of the natural range of each horn it really does sound quite authentic. ?

Even more if you treat each track to a tweaking session with ProChannel and a slight dash of Sonitus Reverb running from an Aux. send to it's own Buss to virtually put the horns in a common "Room". ??

For example, Here's a rough 1st mix of all parts/tracks uploaded to Bandlab Mix Editor, but instead of using Cakewalk's Sonitus Reverb I used Mix Editor's built in reverb on each channel/track. None of it's parameters can be tweaked, but used judicially, it really sounds good for adding "space" and making all of Mix Editor's tracks sound like a full band jamming in the same room. ?

Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?

Semi Live jammie presently go'in on & happening on Bandlab. And how blue can YOU GET? 

All tracked out, mixed & edited in Bandlab's remarkably KICK ***** Mix Editor. ??

Feel free to jump on in JAM, bend spindle, mutilate and make it your own. da Bluz belongs to NOBODY & EVERYBODY all at the same time. ????

(22) ?How Blue Can YOU GET?? jammies by Emitters | BandLab

On 6/5/2020 at 9:24 AM, Noel Borthwick said:

No because 5 replaces version 4.

On 6/5/2020 at 3:41 AM, marled said:

@Noel Borthwick Thanks for the infos! I have Melodyne Editor 4, but at the moment I do not have the cash to upgrade to version 5. Thus I have the following question: Is it somehow possible to use both Melodyne Essential 5 and Melodyne Editor 4 in CbB ? With 2 region FX entries ?

I'm not sure about what Melodyne Essential can do, but there is really no reason to run 2 region entries with Melodyne Editor because it's polyphonic and you can "highlight" the tracks and sections you want and it will run 2 tracks in 2 instances.

Melodyne Editor 5 is the BOMB! Super fast and accurate load times, and I believe if you liked v4 you are going to LOVE the improvements in v5.

All in all, most of the things I said in the above post concerning mixing & editing obviously has to do with Bandlab's Mix Editor which has been getting better and better. It's pretty amazing actually, I never thought I'd live to see the day when a cloud based DAW would be possible, never mind be able to integrate and make it possible to users of Android, Apple, and Windows to collaborate so easily on one unified platform.?  

Cakewalk's new ability to import all tracks at once as raw files with a few clicks of a mouse is a super FAST & EASY workflow enhancement.

And that alone makes it ULTIMATELY SWEET all in itself!??

Houston we have noticed some problems with importing projects directly into Cakewalk from Bandlab. 

I am using the latest build version of CbB that was installed and tested an hour before I tried importing.

This is the project I used to test Cakewalk/Bandlab's new import/export integration was originally created in Cakewalk and uploaded and imported into Bandlab Mix Editor was manually one track at a time.  

Always On My Mind

 I had just imported a collaboration of this  project from Bandlab into CbB by selecting Cakewalk's new "Browse Bandlab Projects" import from the "File" menu.

While all tracks successfully downloaded, went thru sample rate conversion processing and loaded into CbB very quickly, but the mix wasn't even close to what I expected or sounds like playing from Bandlab's Mix Editor or stereo mixdown stream.

I had adjusted Bandlab's Output Level Fader to only occasionally peak in the red. I realize it's not an actual mixer "Buss"  section where a compressor or limiter can be applied, but it seems to get the desired levels for songs streamed from Bandlab.

 But after being imported into Cakewalk All channel unity gain levels defaulted @ 0 db, and all channels are peaking very HOT into the red and need to be dialed back to around -6 db for CbB's master buss metering to stay below 0 db ceiling set @ 0 db.

OK.... That's not too big of a deal and can be easily corrected..

But....

But none of the mixing or editing tweaks and "changes" I made in Bandlab's Mix Editor were applied to the audio tracks I imported back into Cakewalk.

And I had performed quite a bit of remixing, applying automation envelopes & editing in Bandlab's Mix Editor to remove unnecessary noises and stuff like jamming guitar phrases I played on guitar to establish a musical road map for melody [ vocal click track] so a singer would have a "rough idea" of what notes to [try] to hit & where to sing verses and chorus sections. Then edit & remove them once a vocal track is recorded.

But Mix Editor did NOT export any of these changes back into CbB. ?