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Clever indeed to say the least, but I've always found changing both speed and pitch is a 2-step process to get anything even close to what is desired, and both of these processes take an enormous amount of processing power for any CPU. 1st, change speed/tempo, then "SAVE" 2sd, work on pitch in 1/2 tone resolution for the best realistic/authentic results use 1.) Melodyne?? ?? 2.)WavesTune??, 3.) AutoTune?, 4.) elastique', ? or whatever you can get your hands on that you can dial in pitch?‍♂️ & formant?‍♀️, then FREEZE TRACKS!? 3rd, keep your expectations on the low down, learn to settle for what you get as "acceptable" because if you expect perfection, you will always, without a doubt, be sorely disappointed. "Close" is the operative word here because any time you do either it has an impact on sound quality which is at best OK for the "close enough for rock & roll" mindset but for everything else, specifically exacting results, it typically has much less than ideal results. Good Luck & Happy Recording/Sequencing/Music Creation.

If you have 12" (30.5 cm) to spare in your computer's case I recommend AMD FirePro graphics cards made by AMD because of their extreme/critical only one tear of quality control, and their ability to be configured to process video independently from the computer's CPU and RAM resources for little to no impact. Yeah, that makes them a tad large in size, and a bit costly upfront investment, but they last a LOOOOONG TIME. Since 2011 starting with a V-4900 PCIe v2/ OpenGL v2 I used as primary workstation workhorse for 8 YEARS, & currently running a W4100 PCIe v3/ OpenGL v4 going on 4 YEARS of glitch & trouble-free high performance being pushed to the punishing limits (just under system crashes) starting with Sony Vegas Pro 4 up to the current Magix Vegas Pro 18 NLE's. I have only had upgraded 2 FirePro graphics cards for what turned out to be relatively small advantages using newer video FX plugin support and slightly faster video rendering Vegas Pro 18 NLE. Other than that, the 12 old V-4900 still works & runs GREAT on legacy drivers, and even though it wasn't built for gaming, the FirePro V4900 can STILL RUN 24% of the top 10,000 PC games. It will also run 11% of these games at the recommended or best experience levels. Now I'm not comparing AMD to nVidea, I'm stating what AMD can do from personal experiences, and focusing on "you get what you pay for". I've probably pulled at least as many fried Radeon based graphics cards as I did G Force for abusive friends and family. ? AMD FirePro's aren't rated, or bench tested for gamers, and their drivers are specifically designed for tweaking performance to your needs and tuning your workstation for DCC (digital content creators). You can even configure it plug a thunderbolt audio interface into one of the FirePro's DisplayPorts and it will bypass the AMD audio drivers run completely independently in it's own PCI buss. I have tried this with my UA Apollo I use with my Mac for Pro Tools, but it really doesn't do any better than my Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 does for CbB where the AMD audio drivers are disabled. But the Apollo's onboard FX really shine on the Mac and helps considerably. Only thing the FirePro does for CbB is make it look prettier. All audio it processed thru the Focusrite's dedicated ASIO drivers smoothly @ a respectably ultra stable 6 ms latency @ industry standard 24 bit/48k/Hz with a very comfortable "set it and forget about it "128 buffer size. I can set latency to .06 ms, but have yet to find any "Practical" reason other than bragging rights to do so. It didn't "sound" any "better" AND it made CPU work 20-25% harder then it had to..? That's like recording @ 24bit/192 k/Hz. Which I did try once just to see if I could do it. I could, it happened, but I wasn't impressed, nor was anyone else so there was no appreciable reason to do it again. On the contrary, it proved to be a HUGE waste of time and hard drive space. A "just because ya can doesn't mean ya should" Apiffany. ? I do NOT recommend FirePro graphics cards made "by" or "for" 3rd party vendors because they are typically only using FirePro GPU and building their own graphics cards around it. Some are good and quality conscience; some are bad and choose cut corners for profit margin over quality components. Same thing happens with nVidea G Force (gamer) & Quadro (DCC) GPU based graphics cards, blah, blah, blah, rada, rada, if it's not mounted to an nVidea chassis, it's a crap shoot. . OK that being said, your newfound latency problem may not even be being caused by your graphics card. I would unplug the Samsung 4K TV and see if that solves the latency problem. Televisions tend to use 4K "i "(interlace) technology to UP sample video to "look like" or appear to be 4K and use variable refresh rates running somewhere between 30 h/z- 60 h/z depending on original video quality. Everything looks "Good" or more accurately, close to the "same" quality. Computer monitors are typically 4K "p" (pixel) and lock into whatever refresh rate speed they are capable of. Typically, in a sample rate solid, steady range of 60 h/z -120 h/z. With 4Kp unless you choose to auto correct, You SEE whatever quality you get without corrections. Unless you "force" your Samsung into a steady frequency range synced to the speed of the computer monitors you are creating a LOT of EXTRA HEAVY LIFTING processing WORK on any computer's CPU and graphics card GPU will experience glitching & latency issues. OR MAYBE.... The problems is with WINDOWS annoying habit of occasionally deciding what's best for you.. ? Have you checked for driver updates for your graphics card recently from nVidea? Don't rely on Windows "Device Manager" or Windows Update to do this for you. Either get a credible driver updater utility app or report to the nVidea Mothership yourself. Both are a lot cheaper than throwing new parts you don't need at your computer and hoping you hit the right target. Is Windows configured for high performance? You can check to see if it is in Windows Control Panel> Hardware & Sound>Power Options. You REALLY want to make sure it is running multiple monitors with DAW's & NLE's, processing HUGE 4K video. I've actually had this setting default back to "Balanced" with Windows Updates, and that can impact accelerated GPU performance by balancing and splitting processing tasks with computer resources.

Hmm, I'm pretty sure the Gigabyte UD with PCIe 3 is designed for 8th- 9th gen i7, and don't think this mobo supports older Gen 6 i7, or vice versa.. ⁉⁉⁉. I'm not sure though, I've never had much luck with quality or longevity with Gigabyte. However, once you get past the setup quirks and stuff that come with any new and or Nuused/repurposed computer builds, I can't remember EVER having an ASRock build fail, and shortly after building my 1st AMD FX 8300 running Window 7 in x64 machine, I did some pretty insane utterly STUPID overclocking "crash test dummy" stunts with an AMD Phenom II 965 4 core Black Edition, which did not crack. But Windows XP did. XP became very unstable at around 4.6 g/hz? I still have that old beast, with no overclocking of course, it's native 3.5 g/Hz really is FAST enough with Win 7 x64 installed, but that old, old, OLD ASRock mobo only supports a whopping 4 gigs of RAM (which was monumental at the time) is bare minimum today. Although I haven't used it in at least a decade I'd be willing to bet it'll fire right up and run if the old Western Digital VelociRaptor 10k RPM hard drive spins up. However, after carefully reading thru this thread, and having similar various difficulties with sparking up ASRock builds, particularly with older UEFI BIOS Secure Boot v1 chips made before 2018, and the VERY unfortunate power hit targeting hyperthreading side effects from Intel's patch forced by the introduction of the "Meltdown Exploit" which led to another level of Intel Hell temporary slowed down by a deeper level of security of the introduction of the "SecureBoot" chip v 1, which now, in case you didn't notice yet, Microsoft deepened security a little deeper to drop support of v1, and will only allow upgrades from Windows v10 to v11 if we have the newer and yet to be determined better "SecureBoot" chip v2 installed on our mobos. Before starting make sure you have all the motherboards systems drivers handly on a CD or USB 2 stick. OR simply plug an internet cable into it,, I have no idea if the following applies to Gigabyte silicon, but I have had success getting into BIOS with building/rebuilding ASRock motherboards without them quitting before getting started.. HOPEFULLY, but not always, just by connecting a CAT 5 cable before hitting the start button, it will automatically connect and report to the ASRock "Mothership" shortly after hitting the power button and check & install the latest BIOS version if need be and system drivers, all to basic most likely to succeed default settings. Just follow the on-screen instructions. (This auto method will not work behind a Netgear of Linksys or any hardware "Internet Firewall".) 1.) You "must" have a mouse and keyboard plugged into their dedicated USB ports. The Fatal1ty has is own patented "Key Master" technology that controls and finetunes the mouse and keyboard. and they are the 1st thing the BIOS looks for before starting. 2.) You "must" have a SSD or hard drive installed and plugged into a SATA or SATA supported M2 slot. That is where the UEFI BIOS is or will be stored on it's own patrician before proceeding. 3.) You "must" have a Graphics card installed in a slot that doesn't share a PCI buss with anything else.. And this is VERY IMPORTANT. M2 slots (#) and corresponding PCIe slot # share the same port to the PCI buss, so you CANNOT PLUG & run an SSD in M2 slot 1 and your graphics card plugged into PCIe slot 1 at the same time. I recommend leaving the M2 SSD in the 1st slot, and plugging the graphics card in the last PCIe slot. 4.) At least 1 stick of memory in slot 2 to run in single chan. mode, or slots 2 and 4 for duel chan mode of "Matched Pairs" of EXACTLY the same speed & size of high quality HIGH PERFORMACE RAM. I highly recommend going to the ASRock website and only using "approved" memory for the Fatal1ty . It is the BIOS's job to make find and make sure all components and peripherals are connected to even be a computer, If it can't find ANY of the above components hooked up properly, it will not run the BIOS and simply shut down. GOOD LUCK! ?

?? THOUGHLY ENJOYABLE! Inspiring job by all, had me dancing around the room! ?

What to regret? I've used the studio version many times in other studios and LOVED IT. But not so much in CbB with ARA technology running as a plugin, the edit version suits my needs and workflow perfectly and doesn't cause eye strain. I'm not interested in polishing turds, but I have been known create vocal harmonies, stretch or shrink phrases as an example to let others who don't understand music theory know what I have in mind, remove sibilance, and breath noises, or to move a missed note or 2 in pitch/place in an otherwise killa track. That "Oh let Steev fix it in the mix" BS gets old with me really quick. One of the BAD things about Melodyne is, if you keep correcting mistakes and make performances sound better than then they can actually are, NOONE will ever focus and improve and REALLY embarrass themselves in live performances Ya know, as in the ONLY VENUES AND places where we actually make any money, MAKE REAL FANS & SELL merch for REAL MONEY? ??? that ya can use to purchase Melodyne 5 Studio without a seconds thought, to have instantaneous fun running on your superduper completely paid for never run out of power killa powerhouse studio/computer/ workstation with? ?

Just click and drag the audio guitar track into a blank MIDI track and Melodyne will open and convert it to MIDI. For the best most accurate results use a clean DRY audio track with NO FX. I don't know about "fixing" guitar tracks, I find it easier and less time consuming to just do another take, or 3, as practice does make perfect. But for creating parts and or MIDI tracks for other instruments that you couldn't perform otherwise, it's a wonderful thing. ? For instance, my primary instrument is guitar. Over the decades of MIDI sequencing (recording performances in MIDI), I have become a semi proficient keyboardist, but I'm nowhere near as proficient on keyboards as I am on guitar.

There is no supported 32x version of CbB anymore either. ?

15 days and counting. SOLUTION FOUND! ? Using CUSTOM WINDOWS SETTINGS listed under "Additional Mouse Settings" does the trick by selecting "option 3" for "changing pointer color"! It's actually such a simplistically brilliant solution, because Windows is "monitoring" & constantly changing and adjusting the color & size of the pointer/cursor to "White" over a dark background to "Black" over a light background. THANKS Starship Krupa! ?? Proving once & for all again... "Two Heads are Always Better then One!"

I have never had any Cakewalk clients, it's always been the industries standard of Pro Tools clients, and now they are ever few and far in between. And now it's only clients looking to have their Ableton Live, or Reason DAW projects imported into Pro Tools. And although I do still use SPLAT to open older projects and keep them in their natural versions, and to make sure they are prepared and ready to go for a newer version in CbB, I always keep CbB up to date. It only takes a few minutes to update, and only a few minutes to roll back if something goes wrong, which is extremely rare. I only had to roll back once since Bandlab took over. And Historically, back in the dayz of Windows 2000, I would schedule and reserve and entire weekend to MAYBE finish upgrading to a new annual release version of Cakewalk Pro Audio, BOY O BOY was THAT ever an oxymoron of a name for a DAW. And things improved with Win XP and SONAR Producer. I felt fairly confident I could MAYBE do it in a day. And then SONAR 1 came to be with it's new and improved "Skylight" GUI and MY WHOLE WORLD CHANGED. and it made me want to hit myself in the head with a FAQ'in BOARD!? But I just kept doing the upgrading deals, stuck to doing serious projects in trusty, tried, & Pro Audio 8.5 PE as my #1 workstation. It wasn't until SONAR 3 that I became happy & comfortable enough to turn off PA 8.5, and then.............. and then........... And then SONAR PRODUCER 4 was born and it ROCKED THE FAQ'in WORLD! ??? And kept getting better and better leading the world in cutting edge technology. Things like the Cakewalk TTS-1 that's powered by highly acclaimed Roland's Sound Canvas synth engine, a double precision x64 sound engine that ran natively within SONAR, even on x32 bit OS. And the list goes on and on.... And still goes on today. The only difference is, it doesn't cost $150 per year for an annual upgrade. Now Bandlab does it in smaller, faster, increments, and not only is the DAW maintained and supported for so is many services provided by Bandlab.com, which would cost literally THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS a year using Pro Tools/ AVID cloud account. ? That being said, SPLAT is still ROCK SOLID after all these years, which is surprising considering all the changes Windows went thru with v7, v10, and now v11, and can do everything I want or need it to do. But not nearly as easily or efficiently as CbB's new and improved tools and workflow enhancements, and the difference is on par with comparing a landline telephone tethered to the wall with a 1 meter piece of coiled wire and you have to stand there looking at it because nearest stool 3 meters away and comparing it to a Google Android or an iPhone. YEP, they DANG SURE DON'T MAKE 'EM THE WAY THEY USED TO!! ??? And good riddance. Things constantly evolve and change in computer technology, for better or worse and typically for the better, that's just the way it is and the farther you fall behind the harder it is to even understand "what's happening" before you can even learn how to catch up to "what's going on".

And if you love to collect Plugins and take advantage of Holiday sales, NOBODY offers better deals than WAVES super discounted, buy one get one free at the time of this writing, you can purchase both Waves Harmony – Real-Time Vocal Harmony Playground | Waves and Waves Tune for the ridiculously low price of $29 (us). Please note Waves Tune is a "Rewire" device, it doesn't as a real-time VST plugin, I've used it for years, it is not only an EXCELLANT runner up for Melodyne, it can do things Melodyne can't, and of course vise versa.

If you use Melodyne 5 primarily as a standalone application, then Studio version has many advantages over the Edit version. But if you use Melodyne within a host DAW such as CbB as a plugin, there are little to no advantages running multi track view in Cakewalk's GUI because of limited screen space, it makes it very hard to see the blobs and differentiate between tracks. And that makes it all too easy to accidently create an editing train wreck. Another disadvantage of upgrading to Studio version is higher future version update pricing. However Melodyne 5 Edit WILL create multiple tracks for editing at once by select/highlighting all tracks you want to edit at once before creating "Region FX" , Then you can select/highlight to toggle between them in Cakewalk, it just won't show them all in the same window at once, which is a slightly different way of going about it, but as I mentioned, it is also a GOOD thing. To be clear Melodyne 5 Editor does detect and allow polyphonic editing. And one of my favorite most used useful tools is the SUPER FAST and EASY way of converting "Audio tracks to MIDI tracks" in CbB, by simply clicking on and dragging an audio track into an empty MIDI track, Melodyne 5 will open automatically and start the conversation process for you. ? For best results, just make sure all time-based FX plugins are off. Melodyne 5 Editor polyphony and chord detection running as a plugin in CbB

Yeah, but how much do you like them for an editing session of 32-60 tracks of a Cakewalk by Bandlab project? Prolly not too much more then I got used to my neighbors blasting Reggaeton music thru a cheap but LOUD soundbar. ?

Windows 11 does not support links that ae configured hook up to the mothership's support pages thru Internet Explorer that still used by many software vendors product portals. Like Focusrite, Novation, iZotope, Eventide, iLok, and even messes and trips up Waves Central and IK product managers. I have no idea what it does to Bandlab Assistant, I'm still running SPLAT on my newer Intel machine which I like to use to open very old archived Cakewalk projects with because it has many old DX & DXi Cakewalk plugins installed going back to the pre–SONAR Cakewalk Pro Audio days, SPLAT has survived intact though many years of upgrades and hard drive cloning's. it's not even close to broken so I'm not bothering to fix it, and I never even installed CbB on my comparatively wimpy performing consumer grade components they use for off the shelf HP Intel i7 from the local big box store. . So even though I'm not sure I may or may not have caught the exploit, or I very well may be an immune infected carrier of the Meltdown exploit.. My computer can longer spread it. It had zero effects or performance issues running on the AMD architecture. It took a noticeable performance gut punch with Intel's patch update for the Meltdown exploit attacking Intel's patented Hyper Threading™ technology, but I got most, but not all of that back by upgrading system memory with matched sticks of High-Performance G Skill RipJaw RAM sticks, and now that good 'ol decent performing i7 puppy runs like a great performing i5 Border Colley. ? My AMD FX 8370 doesn't support Intel's patented Hyper Threading™ technology that balances 4 physical cores with 4 virtual cores that registers in Windows as 8 cores. AMD FX8370's have 8 physical cores, very powerful and very fast. The only real downside is AMD FX series create a lot of heat, they are glutenous and aren't as energy efficient and require larger power supplies and cooling solutions so they can gobble and burn up more wattage that's needed for other components and peripherals to run properly and give comparable Intel "i" series chips a right proper smackdown at the right proper milli second. Under power a computer running an AMD FX chip, and Intel will outperform it in a bench every time. Of course, without bench testing software, both are so fast and powerful it's humanly impossible which is faster. But at least AMD was pretty quick issue a security patch to help stop the spread of exploits to Intel, I'm not sure that Intel would reciprocate. Intel's corporate greed and business practices got them FIRED by Apple who replaced them with their own smaller faster ridiculously powerful M1 chip, and cutting the pricing of Apple products, which again is very hard to tell because Apple ONLY uses premium grade parts and peripherals making them very pricy to begin with.. That being said, based on my 2012 Intel i5 iMac running a constantly supported & updated version of OSx High Siera with the newest versions of 3rd party software, I haven't had to put a dime into that 'lil 'ol iMac, Never even replace the hard drive because all important files are kept on servers, I have nothing to lose. And if it's ancient Western Digital 500 GB "Black" hard drive blows I'll spend a Franklin on a Western Digital 1 TD SSD. That old mule ain't all that fast, but either is Pro Tools v14 on the BEST of machines, and my iMac ROCKS a stable, STEADY, Pro Tools for almost 14 YEARS NOW!

THANKS! Much better solution then adding MORE 3rd party shell extensions that's looks easy enough. But not today, all this is cutting into my jam time and I already spent way too much time in the registry looking for stray remnants of my unwanted/never asked for Kensington trackball driver package out of my AMD workstation, which was a bit aggravating, and I am NOT a big of editing Windows Registry without a very level and sober head, good clean glasses, and a steady hand. I already drank WAY TOO MUCH coffee and only criteria I'm meeting this morning is clean glasses. And my Intel running Windows 11 computer is currently synced to transfer/export audio from SPLAT project files into a Pro Tools projects running on my Mac computer running in real-time via ADAT and MTC. Time consuming but very reliable way with having to remix and deal with incompatible plugins. SONAR has no problems reading PT projects, less automation and plugins, but that's not the case vise versa. Pro Tools does NOT or play well with others.

You can still do it by scooooling the mouse cursor over to those pretty little buttons and scrooooling back and forth again & again, again, ans again. You just can't do it with a simply High light> "right click/copy", > move cursor to desired place and hover>"left click/paste"> DONE! It's a real PITA for simple things like "EASIEST WORKFLOW" comp copy/paste editing in any DAW or NLE, and don't even get me started with have to use how to use and navigate thru Microsoft Office Pro 2021 all over again, once and for all AGAIN. ?

And when is a mix actually finished? Good question, but I have absolutely idea if there is any one correct answer. I had started this project in my studio in NY State recording/sequencing with CbB jamming with people I played out with, Blake Edwards and my "Good Brother from another Mother" Dave Robbins, doesn't use Cakewalk and not member of Bandlab, but he's in the infamous "Blackbyrds" band. Mark Colitis from NJ, he had used Cakewalk SONAR Producer v8.5 way back, was his latest DAW, but had no interest in learning how to use it, no interests in joining any websites with built in social media and would like to kick Mark Zuckerburg in the ***** for creating Facebook. ? But Mark has a serious love and respect for MIDI drums, especially the kind he can beat upon with sticks, fingers pencils, pens and clubs, oh my, and so it happens, he sequenced his drum performance on a Roland OctoPad, emailed the MIDI files in Roland GM/GS MIDI 0 format. that I'm using for triggering drum samples created on a Gretch Birtch drum set in the Addictive Drums 2 VSTi, You can argue and debate to the cows learn to fly which sounds better, the Roland or AD2, but I prefer AD2 because it doesn't take up any room real estate, and because the plugin has great FX plugin modules, a mixer with comprehensive signal routing everything else I need to mix drums with built into it's GUI. And AD 2 has 12 AUDIO OUTS that can be configured to automatically ROUTE THEMSELVES to 12 audio tracks in CbB where they can almost too easily dialed in to exacting results.. The Roland doesn't have all that ease of access, it has MENU'S, and does NOT have 12 audio outputs, either. ? abel https://www.bandlab.com/kane_abel .a.k.a ."Fugi" on Bandlab is nicknamed after that sweet Japanese fruit of her homeland. and she is not only UTTERLY DELIGHTFUL to collaborate with, it's also very easy to "HEAR" WHY.. She is also a very talented sweet young lady from Japan who's training herself to speak English thru singing and performing her favorite songs and publishing them to Bandlab, of which she has quite a catalog of MANY favorite cover songs, original song and in just as in many different genres. And enter Fiz https://www.bandlab.com/fizbahn Killa sax player from the Metropolitan City of Rome, Italy who has a very real respect for my horn arrangement/ compositions that I create with Cakewalk TTS-1 DXi and Dimension Pro. He has some MAD mixing skills, and very nice guy and newest friend on Bandlab. Other than that, I just virtually met him so I don't know much about him other then he is SERIOUSLY FUN and easy to collaborate with. ??? So anyway, please check them out, and please let me know which mix you like better. M Maybe it's of course I'm too close to these projects, but I really do love both revisions equally as much. And then in a while, maybe in a week, maybe in a month of not listening to either. I'll go back and revise it again with a fresh set of ears, different mindset, and fresh outlook & perspective... ? You Don't Know What Love Is. abel's mix You Don't Know What Love Is, Fiz's mix

Me too, context menu copy/cut/paste is a natural reflex. Burned into my brainpan since the 90's, I don't even realize I'm consciously doing it. Even Apple, the last holdouts of the one button mouse gave up the ghost and finally supported it and scroll wheels too! I don't know why Microsoft does stuff like that, moving the buttons and levers around, RENAMING THINGS. Although to be fair, I noticed v11 to bit a bit quicker and snappier then v10 in my Intel i7 machine. Can't tell the difference in my AMD machine which runs naturally at 4.1 g/hz, 100 g/hz faster than average rating of 4.0 g/hz, and turbo boosts over 5+ g/hz but not for long, only a few seconds at a time before thermal throttling kick in, and only with Vegas Pro video NLE if it needs and extra kick in the gas., FX series AMD's were always super-fast and muscular. I would imagine it turbo boosts during cold start boot up. Ever since installing an SSD, it takes about 3.5 seconds to boot to Win 10 post BIOS, and maybe only 2x that booting a 30-50 track audio/MIDI CbB Project with God only knows how many audio plugins running, a large full synth rack of various Cakewalk, Waves, REASON STUDIO 11 Synth Rack Plugin. I don't know if you are familiar with that, but it literally runs the Reason DAW as a VSTi plugin, using CbB as a host. The only thing that's missing from the Reason DAW is the sequencer and SSL 4000 mixer. Truly Awesome mixer, but so is CbB's and I had purchased all the add on ProChannel modules during SONAR days, and being a big WAVES fan and evangelist, I don't NEED no (truly awesome & authentic) stink'in Reason's licensed version of an SSL desk. And that being said, I'm rambling on here putting some extra time into MS Edge and on the cursor clock, and it hasn't changed and is STILL AN ARROW! ?

Ahh, YES INDEED. If I had dollar for every time looked past the obvious and I missed something right under my nose I'd have enough spare money pay someone else to make my music for me and spare enough to take my computer to the local "Computer Guy" and let HIM straighten my cursor problem whlst I sit back drinking beer! ?? BTW are you by any chance running Windows 11? One of the things I don't like about is it no longer supports right clicking for copy/paste. WTF? ? WHY⁉ But I guess you wouldn't notice that if your mouse software does.

WOW that's EXACTLY how the cursor looks in Windows outside of the CbB DAW. Bandlab had recently enhanced the DAW GUI making it very 3D like pretty if you have a high-performance graphics card. But not as pretty on my Intel i7 computer. I'm sure the i7 CPU could handle it, but it doesn't have as high-performance graphics as my AMD machine, so the bling gets scaled back to 2D pretty. Yes I do run my custom-built computer workstation in 2017 (by me) on an AMD FX 8370 with AMD FirePro W7100 graphics card. mounted on an ASRock Super Alloy 990FX high performance MoBo which supports USB 3.1/Thunderbolt interfaces, with Secure Boot v1 chip. It's just a tiny bit over the legal age limit for the Win 11 upgrade requirements of Secure Boot v2 chip. But be that as it may, it ran Windows "Insiders Addition" beta version of 11 Pro installed on a separate USB 3.1 external SD encloser box as good as Win 11 on my older AMD machine in dual boot mode where I could boot to either v10 or v11, or in VM mode where I could run both OS's at the same time and actually better than could run on my 2021 Intel i7 machine. However, since Microsoft officially released v11 publicly, it's no longer supported my AMD machine. But that's OK for now, because there's certain things, I really don't like about v11, and it's still not as stable or trouble free as the mature and pretty much ROCK SOLID v10. Blah, blah, I'm rambling.... And I could be wrong. I did plug in my USB 3.1 external SD drive and try and see if it would happen with Win 11 to see if it was an OS problem and it didn't. But I only tried for a couple of days because my beta version of v11 isn't supported by MS anymore so it's several months behind in security updates. I too have read a few tales where this condition is blamed on AMD CPU's, but so far I believe I'm reading nothing but anti AMD propaganda conspiracies theories, that lacks support of any empirical evidence that supports pointing devices aren't solely dependent upon Operating Systems and not CPU architecture. But I could be wrong. ? And THANK YOU! I really DO appreciate your help! ??

Thanks man, I have always used the standard generic Windows settings for pointing devices to be used as a class-compliant devices. I can't really see the point or even any advantages in all the extra eye candy bling, quite the contrary, and haven't installed any useless vendor driver packages for things like a monitor or a mouse since the 90's, so completely forgot about them. BUT.. Now that you mentioned it, and put it on my mind, I went and looked at my Microsoft update logs and found the WINDOWS Pro 10 DID FIND & AUTOMATICALLY INSTALL a driver package for my Kensington trackball which has been working just fine, as expected for maybe 4 or 5 years now without them. ? I do believe you just may have very possibly found the solution & hit the nail on the head. ? It may take a few days to a week before it will happen again, but I'll certainly be back let you know by then. And THANKS! It's guys like you that made the Cakewalk/SONAR and now the CbB user forums the best forums I've ever experienced on over 30+ years! ?

I have used Cakewalk to run and play MIDI DX instruments that rely on DAW for a host on a laptop successfully, but just as instruments, and definitely not recording them into multi-track projects without running into latency problems. Same goes for amp model plugins like Waves GTR, Amplitube. As cool as they are for recording in your living room bedroom, unless if you have a really REALLY GOOD sound system and well-placed monitors, they flat out SUCK in a live venue. You lose control of symbiotic nature between pickups and speaker cabinets to take advantage of controlling the beautiful harmonics of feedback, and or removing it, and any preset time-based FX like reverb, delay, chorus, flanger, so on and etc. that sounds great dialed in at home in a small room with soft surfaces, has VERY unusual, unexpected results in a large room made mostly out of hard surfaces in venues that all have their own natural reverb, delay, and flanging going on that need to be adjusted and compensated for, and ther are NO TWO the same. Hard enough to do quickly with real knobs and foot pedal boards on a real modeling amp such as Line 6 Spider, or Peavy Vipyr, etc. IMPOSSIBLE to do quickly enough on a mouse. Always remember "Murphie's Law" when jamming live shows. ANYTHING that can go wrong will. And just because you can Cakewalk by Bandlab on a laptop doesn't mean you should. You would be surprised how many people resent that. Especially when your reputation as an up-and-coming live performer is at stake, there's not much wiggle room for screwing up, and screwing up typically ends up with being stuck into a constant loop of little to no money gigs, never playing that venue again even for free, and or even the humbling screams of "YOU SUCK" at best, having to be dodging flying projectiles from angry drunks such as anything from snack food, half eaten Whopper burgers, to beer bottles at worse. ? When you're jamming live on stage there are no do overs. It's one thing screwing up during a lead solo, if you are fast enough and proficient enough reacting on yer feet you can turn mistakes into new inspiring riffs without derailing the groove. But one of the worse things is when the grooves stops dead on the dancefloor, and saying Opps, sorry, lets rewind and try that again doesn't cut it. Especially when computers are involved in playing/mixing real instruments live performances with MIDI instruments. but very minimally for sneaking it in for a song or 2 and never more than in one set for such things as adding a track or 2 of audio with no more than 16 previously recorded audio/MIDI backing tracks all "FROZEN" to ensure all Audio plugins and ProChannel are offline and MIDI tracks are bounced down to audio and softsynths are offline to free up memory and CPU loads on an HP Intel i5 Windows Pro "Optimized" for high performance, with CbB configured for CPU "Load Balancing" 16 gigs of RAM installed and my trusty little rock-solid IK Multimedia iRig Pro Duo USB interface with external power supply running IK's ASIO drivers, NOT with USB power or with Windows 10 WDDM drivers with the laptop's internal sound card and it runs smooth, stable and decently at low latency, on "ASIO" DRIVERS, but not for long on battery, so definitely, absolutely DO NOT TRY TO RUN YOUR LAPTOP ON BATTERY POWER and expect it to run smoothly if at all without your audio engine stopping mid tune, or for more than 20-30 minutes and shutting down!? But I have used Cakewalk on a laptop for live solo shows for jamming, I've even used Bandlab running off my iPhone. Why? Because there was good strong Internet service and because it was fun just because I could, and that blew everybody's mind including my own. ?? But I wouldn't rely on that either much less running Cakewalk than a laptop. Not that they are bad, it's just even the most powerful laptop you could buy only has a fraction of the power of a comparable full-size desktop, tower, or rackmount case computer in my experience in the 30+ years I been using Cakewalk, Pro Tools (Mac) and various other DAWs, blah, blah, blah. Although is looks surprisingly similar, but not exactly the same as it's scaled back and down, CbB is a WHOLE COMPLETELY AND RADICALLY DIFFERENT DAW running on my Intel i5 laptop OK as long as I don't overdo it than it is running on my full tower AMD 8370 8 core workstation where it seemingly has unlimited extra power. And strangely enough as far as laptops are concerned, I've had MUCH better reliable performance out of i5's then i7's simply because they retain stable clock speeds because they run cooler. And the hotter the laptop gets the slower it gets due to thermal throttling. Laptops break easily too, and even the best have abysmal cooling problems when pushed hard. But run an i7 in a full tower with proper cooling mounted on high-performance motherboard is the stuff dreams are made of and I'm saying that as a diehard AMD evangelist. Dollar for dollar price per performance AMD has always blown Intel away, but that gap is closing, and both are so powerful it's really humanly impossible to tell or even care. Also don't even try optimizing for "Gaming", I have NEVER seen that work out well. DAW's aren't games, you may be prioritizing performance your graphics processing but reducing the power you need getting to the DAW where it's needed most. Keep in mind the i5 is a 4 core CPU, and an i3 is dual core CPU and one of those cores is used for graphics the other used for Windows, CbB, and whatever else may be running in the background that you're not aware of, and I have no idea if Windows can even be optimized for high performance with an i3 which of course isn't a high-performance CPU. And you don't have an option for Load Balancing, so I couldn't say how many tracks you could safely run with an i3? CbB is an excellent well matured DAW, and it scales back better than any other DAW I've ever seen to run efficiently on even modest computers nicely as it does scale UP to powerhouse workstations with the least amount of problems of any other DAW I've ever used. And all that being said, to close this rant..... I would strongly advise NOT using or relying on a laptop for live jam venues to run DAW's like Cakewalk by Bandlab. If you really want to be a road warrior and use computers successfully, do up a powerful rack mountable "workstation grade" computer with multi 100mm fans, at least an 8 core CPU, 32 gigs of RAM mounted in a 19" rack case that could take a right proper beating and banging that'll handle Cakewalk's synth rack and dozens of audio FX without breaking a sweat, and anything else you throw at it with power to spare and a multi-channel audio/MIDI interface with plenty of I/O to spare. And the biggest problems to figure out with all that is.... Do ya have the money too spare for a computer MUCH more powerful and durable and as a result will easily outlast 3 laptops but cost much less? It's always a good thing to have more then you need, and never a good thing to not have enough.

Well this is a new one on me, anyone else ever have this ultimately buzz killing, DIS pleasurable experience happen in the heat of the moment during a mixing recording or session? I'm not sure if this is a problem with the latest CbB v2022.11 (build 013), or a problem with the latest release version Windows 10 22H2. I have checked to make sure ALL my drivers are up to date, swapped out my Kensington Track Ball with 2 different wired mouses and even tried a wireless mouse. But still every once in a while, when I'm really deep into concentrating on the task at hand, my mouse pointer turns from a normal typical cursor/pointer arrow into this whatever this thing/symbol is in the pic below. ? VERY frustrating when it happens during MIDI piano roll editing and or audio wave form and comp editing, and even normally simple patching and routing CbB track, buss, aux I/O internally or to and from my Focusrite Scarlett 18i20. ? It may be just a coincidence, But I watched my cursor/pointer turn from an arrow to this thingy in sync while stepping on the "Record" button on the foot switch for my Behringer X Touch MIDI DAW controller. I even thought of disconnecting the X touch which is kinda like have 17+ mouses and transport controllers, only much better and easier to use. I'm thinking it might be a Windows10 problem because, although, it only happens when I'm using CbB may trigger this condition but shutting down the DAW doesn't turn it back into an arrow, it just turns the thingy from color into black & white and I have to reboot my computer system to turn it back to normal arrow. I even had to take this screenshot with my iPhone because this thing doesn't even show up during a screen capture. But even if it did, it renders SnagIt screen capture GUI software inoperable. Almost like it's frozen, but I can still move the cursor around and still use keystrokes, but this thingy is invisible to SnagIt, so what's the point? ? Oh where would we be without a sense of humor.. ?

? Well now, still alive and limping this was an utterly refreshing listen, I do believe you have quite a loverly singing voice, Wookie. ?? Much better than my own, I pretty much cringe hearing my own voice. But hey, just like making sure the trash makes it to the curb once a week, it can be a cringe-worthy job and all too often I have a hard time trying to get someone else to do it.

Jenniferwren ?‍??? @wrenjennywren is one of my Bestest, most reliable, & oldest long-time collaborators/ buddies I've met on Bandlab since I joined. I don't know exactly how many songs we've collaborated on and published in approx. 3 year's time, but I'm guessing at least dozen or so? Nor do I know how many collaborations she's been involved with other Bandlab artists. But I'll guess & SAFTLY ASSUME it's somewhere between 100'S - 1000'S⁉ But that's not as remarkable as the FACT that she not only records her vocals directly into Bandlab's Mix Editor in her kitchen in England on a cheap Android smartphone, she MIXED this very revision from her cheap Android smartphone monitoring from inexpensive noise canceling earbuds. ? ill Logical by Emitters | BandLab

Yep, it's ALL in the Sausage! ??? My sentiments exactly. Please keep in mind this particular revision is being remixed in Bandlab's Mix Editor, and it only 1/2 of the original Cakewalk project due to a really liberal 128 MB file size restriction per track on Bandlab, I couldn't fit the entire song project in 24 bit .wav files. Besides 9 out of 10 listeners won't listen thru to the end, it at all. Many will hit the like button in he hopes I will like them back, and it's not uncommon on the same day I publish a song I'll notice I get a LOT MORE LIKES than listens from peeps asking me to give their tune a listen. I published a song collaboration with 8 different artist/friends about that practice, originally released on the now defunct ACIDplanet.com about 20+ years ago. It's entitled "Chart Whores" and it's pretty funny in a very Zappa like sort of way and stayed at the top of the AP's "All Genres Charts" for quite a while getting 1000's of hits and 100's of reviews. I remastered it and published it Bandlab.com, and it BOMBED. I believe it holds the record of my most ignored published songs not only on Bandlab, but of all times. ? But for the 10 or 12 Bandlaber's who actually listened, they noticed we weren't pointing fingers, they got a chuckle out of us picking on "ourselves". ? I COULD have uploaded the entire length had I uploaded each track in .MP3, but that would be missing the point of my Bandlab Mix Editor sound quality field test by using compressed files to begin with, sacrificing sound quality before the tracks even get into Mix Editor.? Although I can't access takes in the original Cakewalk project to bring out/up the vocals in the beginning, They can be fully edited & automated, & tweaked to your hearts content directly in Mix Editor, as all gain, pan, and FX parameters envelopes can be automated by either adding & adjusting nodes with a mouse, or using a standard MIDI controller. As to date, Mix Editor does not support MCU or HUI MIDI control protocols. This project can be "Forked", meaning it can opened in a multi-track Stem mix, remixed and revised in the Mix Editor, and even REPUBLISHED by ANYBODY who want to join in & collaborate with a Bandlab account. I know that my sound a tad disturbing but Bandlab keeps a pretty good "history" record of who does what and sends notifications of who's forking and publishing. And I also find it quite FUN when some overly opinionated & competitive folks like to show off by taking control of the narrative, & bullying leaving stupid to nasty criticisms. That makes me chuckle & comment; "I'm not sure I follow your logic... ? Why don't you just "fork" the project & SHOW ME! " ? I myself love & appreciate honest constructive criticism, but I've grown immune & utterly bored with flagrant critiques & praise. And yes this entire piece has literally 100's of lanes of takes that have all been comped together with Cakewalk's "Comping Tools" one performance, one section/movement at a time. In fact, although a gave my best at trying to play & perform each part myself, I'd be lying to say that I didn't nudge or add a couple notes in certain phrases to the proper place with Piano Roll Editing instead of completely redoing a "close but no cigar" take. I'm also a big fan of using Melodyne Editor to correct "small problem areas" and create harmonies here and there as a time saver as opposed to wasting too much time redoing an otherwise good take. And ever since Melodyne started to support ARA & VST3, I frequently also use it to convert audio tracks to MIDI as a quick work around for using my stock Fender Strat or Les Paul as a MIDI controller for MIDI synths to perform parts I literally CAN'T physically play/perform on keyboards. I also used a MIDI pattern sequencer on certain sections of the drums that, um, try and try as I might, I'm starting to believe that I will NEVER be able to play drums as well as Chester Thompson, but I'm not in the least ashamed to admit that. Nor am I ashamed to admit that I played/sequenced the entire drums on an Alesis Sample Pad Pro with nylon drum sticks, a Novation Impulse 61 MIDI keyboard controller using my fingers on the keys, and using the Impulse's handy 8 Trigger Pads preset to trigger MIDI "groove clips" I composed in the Cakewalk pattern sequencer and or the Sample Pad Pro to compose my MIDI tracks in GM to play "Drums" in Addictive Drums 2 using my personally custom tuned Gretch drum shell, Ludwig snare samples, and Cakewalk TTS-1 for playing Roland GM/GS v1 percussion instruments. As a guitarist, my native instrument, I'm quite proficient and have been playing & studying music theory on guitar long enough I can pull off anything I can see written on staff paper, and just about instantly figure out anything I listen to. BUT... If I can't figure it out instantly, I can figure out where to buy the sheet music for it. I guess I'm an OK intermediate novice grade keyboardist as a second instrument, and with my collected knowledge of started learning MIDI sequencing on a Roland MC-500 around 1985 to editing MIDI in Cakewalk DOS way before Cakewalk was capable of even thinking about recording audio, by the time Cakewalk introduced the TTS-1 DXI with SONAR 4 (If memory serves me correctly) from that point on I could play any MIDI instrument I wanted to on keyboards, AND reliably record audio tracks in Cakewalk without having to rely on my aging pre Intel "Power Mac" running Pro Tools. ALL the horn parts on "Inca Roads" were performed using either the Cakewalk TTS-1 or Dimension Pro. These are my oldest & most trusted softsynths of all times. Just as long as you don't exceed the natural octave ranges of any instrument patch, you can achieve the instruments "natural sound" and with a bit of tweaking with ProChannel, I can not only achieve the natural sounds with bone chilling accuracy that equals and or rivals ANY other synths at any price point, and any other synth sounds just as MIDI-fied or wanky when you rely too heavily on quantization or record/sequence tracks out of an instrument's natural octave range. The only advantage of using Samplers is, samplers use audio files of natural instruments so they typically CAN'T exceed an instruments octave range unless you know how to modify & shape them into something else I also used a MIDI pattern sequencer on certain sections of the drums that, um, try and try as I might, I'm starting to believe that I will NEVER be able to play drums as well as Chester Thompson, but I'm not in the least ashamed to admit that. Nor am I ashamed to admit that I played/sequenced the entire drums on an Alesis Sample Pad Pro with nylon drumsticks, a Novation Impulse 61 MIDI keyboard controller using my fingers on the keys, and using the Impulse's handy 8 Trigger Pads preset to trigger MIDI "groove clips" I composed in the Cakewalk pattern sequencer and or the Sample Pad Pro. Now some may argue that that is cheating and that there is nothing better sounding then real instruments and real drums. ? Well I gotta say after 40 years of earnestly trying to get a band together to play Zappa tunes on real instruments I have FAILED MISERABLY at even trying to get 3 people to decide what toppings should get on a pizza that will make everyone happy. ? And besides, 99.9% of the listeners couldn't tell the difference, or even care to compare the end results. And if you do, then PLEASE let me hear whatcha got! But as far as I'm concerned, once it's recorded and being played back on even the finest stereo system ever made, no matter to made it, when and or how, it is NOT A REAL PERFORMANCE anymore. It is a digital replication of a real performance which can be replicated any time, anywhere, which, even whilst listening with cheap earbuds and cheap cellphone almost ALWAYS sounds better than a band can do it live in any room or venue.