Shane_B.

Fwiw ... I reluctantly OC'd my RTX3060. I only play 1 game and it's pretty rare I have the time to get into it these days. I have Turbo off on my i7 6700k and everything locked at stock speeds except for the GPU. When I did have turbo on the CPU fan would ramp up and down a lot so I turned it off and locked it to its stock speed. I didn't see any performance change, but I'm not a heavy user either. I'm running Fallout 4 in 2K with all ultra settings at a rock solid 60fps. Even in the downtown Boston area of the map which is notorious for frame dropping. Max GPU temp is 60C and max CPU temp is 40C. I don't even have a case fan. Just CPU and GPU fans. You guys are scaring me talking about the 14900k temps. Lol. Liquid cooling has always scared me, thats why I'm so hesitant to try it. But it does seem that liquid is where it's all going for sure. Maybe it's time I jump into it.

There were 2 horror movies in the 80s called House and House 2. George was in one and the guy who played the mailman was in the other. Both are great movies. Fun horror. Almost comedies. They weren't B movies and both were done very well. Sad to see him go. Famous actors of the day were in both House movies. William Katt was in the one with George. He played The Greatest American Hero. There are actually 4 House movies. 3 and 4 are terrible. 1 and 2 are great.

I brought up the 14900k. Here's my 2 cents on it. If you are even remotely thinking of overclocking, don't go with a fan and go liquid. The benchmarks I've seen show the D15 and a few other much cheaper fans giving almost the same results as liquid cooling not overclocked while being driven hard in benchmark tests. The results I've seen running non-overclocked and hard all fall well below temps that would make it throttle down. The competitors the D15 were compared to were all within a few degrees. @Mesh Here's what I've found after a few months or researching in my spare time: You have to dig and search to find stock speed RAM. 99% of listed specs are their 'stable' overclocked speeds. Most are 4800 stock but the advertised speeds of 5600 and higher are 'stable' overclocked speeds tested by the manufacturer. DDR5 on mobo's are not all the same. Some only natively support 4800, some 5600. Unless your motherboard BIOS updates fixed the default settings, the 14th gen CPU's will be automatically overclocked even if you select stock settings. You have to manually change settings to make them stock spec and run properly. Use an Anti-Bending Buckle aka Contact Block if you are using a 14th gen cpu. And do not overtighten it. That's one mistake I've seen a lot of videos about. Barely snug the screws. You don't want to warp the anit-warper. 14th gen CPU's metal plates warp over time. The anit-bending buckle stops it and dissipates heat better to the cooling block on the fan or liquid cooling block. The D15 offers different version to accommodate the warping. If you install a brand new 14th gen CPU use the "all around" version of the D15 and an anit-bending buckle, or any other fan that only has 1 version and the contact block. Get a motherboard that doesn't split lanes between the PCI and 1st M.2 slot, especially if you are getting one of the newer GPU's out. M.2 slots after the 1st one are controlled by the board and not directly by the CPU like the 1st PCI and M.2 slot are unless you get a really high end mobo. Get an M.2 drive that has cache. Don't fill all 4 Ram slots. Doing so slows your ram speed down. Fill 2 slots. Research case airflow on youtube. It doesn't take a lot, but it has to have proper in and out flow. Here's the system I'm putting together: CPU 14900K CPU CONTACT BLOCK Thermalright LGA1700-BCF MOBO Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite X Wifi 7 (Doesn't split CPU lanes between the first PCI and M.2 slots.) This is a PCIe5 mobo and DDR5 RAM @ 5600. I got it to be able to upgrade in the future. No GPU runs at PCIe 5 now. All are 4. RAM Kingston (KVR56U46BD8-32) x 2 (Stock 5600 not overclockable.) Kingston M.2 Drive (SFYRD/2000G) PSU MSI-MAG A750GL PCIE5 (Newer video cards than my rtx 3060 with the 14900 require more than 750W). FAN D15?? CASE Fractal Design Define R5 (Only one I could find wide enough for the D15 and has a slot for my BluRay drive.) Hope this helps in some way and the info I've come up with is accurate. Anyone, please correct anything I got wrong. It's been a very long time since I built a PC and a lot has changed that's why I'm taking my time piecing it together. I'd love to buy one off the shelf, but money just doesn't allow. This system with the case I'm looking at and the D15 fan is around $1300. No GPU. Prices keep changing. It was $1100, now it's around $1350. I don't think you could buy the system I'm building pre-built for that. I agree with liquid cooling if you are overclocking. I'm not convinced you need liquid if you are running stock speeds, based off the benchmarks I've seen.

For me it would have to be everything up to Revolver by the Beatles. After that they became much like we are today with our DAWs, only they spliced tape. All of CCR. Everly Brothers and a lot of 50s country artists. If I were honest that era and type of music had the biggest influence on me, and everyone else that came after those people. I don't care much for rock or anything much past the mid 70s. I always jokingly say I turned my radio off in 78, but it's true, at the ripe old age of 7.

Doh! (Echoing doh ... doh ... doh... doh...) I better get with the times. 🙂

Yes, for now you have the option to sub or buy a license. I can't ever recall having a crash in S1 either. But I see a lot of reports of it in the last couple versions. I think I'm still on 4? Not sure what it's up to now.

I'm so far behind the times. I just discovered last night that Presonus was bought by Fender a few years ago. Or if I did know before, I forgot. Nothing seems to have changed though except the push for subs, and I see more complaints about bugs and crashing. Stability used to be their claim to fame. Same thing happened with them as with others. The more features they added the less stable it became. I can remember having a hard drive crash one time and I literally ran S1 on SD cards without a hitch and the same latency as I had with my HDD. Doubt it would be that way nowadays. I guess I don't care about this stuff as much as I used to. I still have my 4 and 8 track machines, Alesis drum machine, guitars, hardware mic pre-s, hardware mastering comp, and Korg keyboard. They still work like new after 40 plus years so I'm good.

I guess we'll all need some time to reflect on this.

I looked up the specs on it. It can take an enormous CPU fan. Very nice case. Don't look at the granddaddy of all CPU coolers. The Noctua NH-D15 G2. Resist the urge to click the link. I'm warnin' ya ... I'm going with an i9 14900K. It has a reputation, but the problems have been resolved with a bit of BIOS tweaking and BIOS updates. Everyone says it requires liquid cooling, but I don't overclock. I run at standard speeds and I may underclock this. From what I read it somehow increases performance? I don't know. People run it without liquid, but you need a really really good CPU fan. I'm going with a mobo that supports full direct lanes to the CPU without splitting them and reducing the GPU and first M.2 SSD drive speed, as well as stock DDR 5 RAM that is not overclocked. It took a lot of research to find all this compatible stuff but I did it. There are brand new intel CPU's that run at the same speed as the i9, but they use a lot less power and don't heat up nearly as much. Only about $600 more for the CPU and compatible Mobo. Not worth the extra cost, especially if you aren't planning to overclock. In my opinion. My old i7 6700K runs just fine for me, but it was old when I built it. This time I want to get the fastest I can that's still current gen. The only reason I'm even thinking about upgrading is because the 6700K won't support Windows 11, and I have to have it for work. If you need any input on anything feel free to ask away. I've been diving deep into this the last couple of months because I have to build a new PC before Windows 10 dies in October. If you are planning on using an M.2 SSD, make sure you pick a motherboard that does not split the lanes with the GPU. Don't get a cheap M.2 SSD because the cheap ones don't have cache and run a lot slower. Inexpensive non-lane splitting mobo's are out there, but you have to download the manuals and read through them to find out which one. Lane splitting is when you buy a PCIe 5 motherboard and it cuts the lanes in half when you put in a GPU and M.2 SSD in the Gen 5 slot. The GPU and M.2 Slot 1 SSD bypass the hard drive controller and go directly to the CPU making them work theoretically faster/smoother. The GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite X WIFI7 does not split lanes. It's the one I'm going with. No GPU supports PCIe 5 right now, but will be in the future. It's ok to put a current PCIe 4 GPU in the 5 slot.

Which CPU are you going with?

Thermaltake makes good cases. One thing you have to research is, some of the cooling fans for cpu's are so large now, they won't fit in every case. The fan for the build I'm doing now is so large that I was only able to find one case it would fit in. The other requirement was I had to have a 5.25" bay to put a Blueray/CD player/burner in and they are very rare now. There was only 1 case that was wide enough that had a 5.25" bay.

i9 14900k CPU just went on sale on Amazon. Just an fyi ...

I install and service P.O.S. systems. A lot of them are going to Android for their operating system now. I used to install and service systems for KFC. Back in the day they used Panasonic, but it was mostly hardware based at the time. I see a lot of McDonald's are using Panasonic now. DQ is using something else, but the independent franchise owners are forced to. Headquarters connects directly to their system overnight, and takes their cut immediately. I could imagine a day when DQ won't accept cash just so HQ can have their cut instantly. I've been out of the fast food end of it so long now, I have no idea what everyone is using anymore. But the systems I do work on now all use Android. The purchased and the free systems. Edit: To clarify purchased vs. free ... there are companies out there now that will give you a free P.O.S. system if you give them a cut of your credit card income. That's why you see a lot of places adding a 2.5% ~ 3% markup when you use your credit card now.

I'm in the process of building a new PC. Everything has gone up in price in the span of the last 2 weeks. To buy everything for one PC I'm going to have to get the various parts from Newegg, Amazon, and Best Buy. eBay is a cheaper option, but the return process is horrible if you get a defective item. The system I was going to build went up from $1130 to $1380 in just over two weeks. I had everything in my cart on Amazon for a while, all in stock. When I went to order everything this week the mobo, M.2 drive, and ram were out of stock from Amazon. My options were "Used like new" or to buy from independent sellers who are price gouging and have terrible return policies if something is received bad. I'll wait to see what happens. My current CPU doesn't support Windows 11, so I have till October when they stop support for Windows 10. I'm building the system I always wanted and don't want to settle for something less, but I can wait.

Found a reasonably priced mobo that will let you use the gpu and first m.2 slot directly to the cpu without splitting the PCIe lanes. Everything else goes through the z790 controller. I can't believe my old 3060 12gb video card is still going for $700 new. Crazy.

Here's a link to their native 5600 ram. https://www.kingston.com/en/memory/client/ddr5-5600mts-non_ecc-unbuffered-dimm

Ok. I think I got this figured out now. At true native 5600, CL is 46. Any variation of that is considered overclocked. Kingston does actually make true 5600 CL 46 memory. It's their ValueRam line and actually costs more than their Fury line. From what I can tell everything else is 4800 and overclocked. If it says 5600 or higher ... it's actually 4800 OC'd. And that's fine. Every manufacturer now seems to just accept people are going to do it and actually set you up to do it easily. Also, cas latency isn't what the name implies. The actual latency is calculated by a formula. Here's a link to a calculator. https://www.omnicalculator.com/other/ram-latency

Straight from the horses mouth .... "Hello Shane, The JEDEC standard timing for DDR5 5600MT/s is CL46. anything outside of that would be considered overclocking." They replied again and said it is confusing and as long as the Expo or XMP logo is somewhere, they can advertise whatever speed they want with the risk of instability. That said, I've yet to find anything actually 5600. It all seems to be overclocked with a default of 4800. It's odd, because the motherboards say they support 5600 native. I must be misunderstanding something and maybe it is actually available and I just can't find it. I've been perfectly fine with my 6700K and 48Gb of Kingston Value RAM. That has to be CL50 or more.

Thank you! I'm getting frustrated. The motherboard I'm looking at natively supports 5600 DDR5 and 3 other lower speeds. 6000 requires XMP and I don't want to use that. I'm also finding that all stated speeds, such as 5600 or 6000 are their tested overclocked speeds. Every one I've found actually runs natively at 4800, and it's usually only listed when you download and read the spec sheets. All I want is native 5600 CL30 or lower RAM but it doesn't seem to exist. I want to stick with Kingston and they seem to be the clearest/most honest about their specs. We used to use Corsair at work and I used it at home for a while and it never lasted. We switched to Kingston and I can honestly say that in 20 years at work I've never had a bad stick of Kingston ram and my last 3 builds at home all had it and I never had an issue. G.Skill shows the exact ram in looking for on their site, but when you dig deep it says it's actually 4800 and you have to use xmp to get the "listed" speed.

The base/default speed for ram on the system I'm looking to build is 5600Mhz max. I can't find 5600 with a decent latency but I did find 6000/CL30. Can the 6000 be safely underclocked to 5600 and will it negatively effect latency?

I've never understood the purpose of phase alignment or how to implement it. Probably should have paid attention during DAW class I guess. Is it a track by track, bus, or master thing? I know my best mixes have always been on all analog, and there's no phase thingamabobs on it, so I never looked in to it on my DAW.

I looked up his neck of the woods but I can't tell if it was touched by the wildfires or not. He may have had to relocate or is busy helping others with the recovery if it did hit his area. Or the reduction surgery took a toll on him and he's still in recovery.

Nice circumvention there Craig. 🤠

One of my favorite albums is Song For Juli. Rip.

Ain't seen him around in a long time. Last I heard he went in for ***** reduction surgery. Darn thing was too big. Haven't heard from him since.