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Have Microsoft ever officially acknowledged the existence of ASIO? I've searched their site and the only mention of it is from users asking questions. Any answers are from other users, not official Microsoft representatives. I've always assumed that ASIO grabs the hardware for itself and hangs on. And an app using it appears to WDM similar to an app using WASAPI Exclusive. Anything else seems like it would require some kind of mixing that would result in latency, wouldn't it? This is all just undereducated guesses based on observing how programs interact, so please set me straight about any of it if you have concrete information. Also, am I the only one who has wondered if either: 1. Realtek's owner's favorite charity makes a steady income from their not supplying a usable ASIO driver to go with what is overwhelmingly the most common sound interface found in personal computers? Via donations from companies whose names rhyme with Wineberg, Patronus, Snowshoe, Tax Scam, Smoker's Rights.... or 2. The developer of Realtek's ASIO driver got a visit at home from a shady character who admired their place and expressed that they would hate to see anything happen to it, say, if Realtek ever started shipping a functioning ASIO driver....

Some good ideas here. Good on ya Morris for bringing up something that a lot of solo producer/composer/recordists struggle with. I'm sure that film/TV scorers must keep their own libraries of musical ideas around for when they need something. Kinda has me wondering whether there would be a use for a dedicated app to manage these snippets and sketches, it could have some analysis built in for BPM and key, and of course a way to add one's own tags and notes. A composers' sketch manager, like there are photo managers? You could import things from anywhere, say the voice recorder app on your phone, etc. Hmm. I was recently feeling blocked and opened up a project that I had done to demonstrate a bug to the Cakewalk developers. Just me playing drums to a 90BPM click for about 8 minutes, but there were a few measures in there where I hit some nice smooth chilly grooves. Because of course, no pressure. Since it was all to a grid, I cut out a few of the best ones and looped them and played around. Thanks to Pluginboutique, my collection of synths with sync'd arpeggiators is many, so it's a great excuse to explore presets....and I came up with a cool chillout piece. As far as actually getting a finished piece finished? I think it's a real issue for people who are solo producer/composer/players. In a band, you have peer pressure and deadlines, it's good enough, we need to have a recording we can use to get gigs/sell on Bandcamp/iTunes/whatever. And back in the day, due to financial constraints, we had only a matter of hours to go in to a studio, record multiple tunes, mix them, master them, and go home with a 2-track DAT. I don't have an answer, I wish I did. I have half a dozen songs that are one lap from the finish line, and they're good songs, best stuff I've ever done, even a topical political novelty song that I should get out there while it's still topical. But sitting here in my home studio, every time I turn the DAW on I get better at being a mix engineer, I get better at singing, better at songwriting, whatever, so it's really hard to stop myself from endlessly applying my newly-acquired skills to works in progress. It's like learning carpentry by building a house starting at one end. By the time I get 1/4 of the way done, the first stuff I did looks like hell, so I want to tear it all out and start it over, and then when I'm done with that, the stuff I did earlier.... Why should I settle for it sounding all 2-dimensional when I just found a reverb like Phoenix that is playing in a different league than anything I ever used before? When I've started to explore artists like Dave Tipper and the insane holographic sound sculptures he creates? (Two of my biggest musical heroes are Brian Wilson and Kevin Shields, but I missed the part where I influenced a generation with my early work before I barricaded in the studio for decades. ?) Taken out to its worst conclusion, people with infinite time, control and resources can wind up second-guessing themselves so badly that they decide that what really happened was that Greedo shot first.

I tried it back when I was searching for the perfect Rhodes, and it was nice enough, but the one that actually took my heart was the mDa E-Piano, now reborn with a nice GUI as Dead Duck's DPiano-E. What I use now is A|A|S Lounge Lizard Session 4. A|A|S finally got it right. Previous versions of Lounge Lizard didn't really do it for me. As for your settings issue, the best place to bring that up is the Feedback Forum. When you say "minimize it," do you mean you open the plug-in UI, then close it, then open it and your settings are changed back to the default? Or what? And which "Save button?" Cakewalk has its own preset saving method up at the upper left of the plug-in window, does Sweetcase have a preset manager of its own? Is the plug-in a VST2 or VST3? You can look at the top of the plug-in window to check this. Are you using the 32-bit or 64-bit version?

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My expectation for the command would be that it would have the same result that doing it via drag and drop would today, that it would just be a shortcut. In this way I'd hope it would minimize the complexity of the programming/decisionmaking task. We wouldn't have to worry about what all it would do, because we're already doing it manually. As I said, a "shortcut." I do like the idea of being able to go both directions. That would allow for selecting either record to separate tracks or record to single track, and then if one finds out after tracking that they would have done better to do it the opposite way, there's a quick way to sort it out.

Another "Element 2 working fine on my systems" user here. It's a vital synth for me. I would know right away if there were an inherent issue with Cakewalk, so your prognosis is excellent for getting it to work. What @Hillmy says about reinstalling Element 2, is the best advice, although you may have to reinstall more than just it. Waves Central likes to splash a zillion versions of their shell all over the place, 32-bit versions, etc, so it's no surprise that the host gets confused from time to time. I'll gently suggest that contacting Waves support may also be a fruitful course of action. If a simple reinstall doesn't nail it, then they may be the ones who can give you your best advice on how to get Elements 2 to work right.

It happened again last night, this time more serious, although I did capture the performance. I just feel like it's only a matter of time before it really bites me on the *****. The issue: in the physical world, I plug microphones and guitar cables into an audio interface with inputs that are labeled simply 1-8. No right, left, up, down, or sideways. It also has stereo S/PDIF jacks on the back, making it a 10 in/10 out interface. When I plug a mic into the 4th jack from the left, it has a "4" under it. When I create an audio track and go to select one of these inputs, Cakewalk presents the list of inputs of my interface like this: Wanna guess which input to select to enable monitoring of Input 4 that I just plugged a mic into? Well, I DON'T. Last night I happened to select "Stereo FirePod ASIO x64 Pod 1 - Input 3L" when my mic was actually plugged into "Right FirePod ASIO x64 Pod 1 - Input 3L." I was also recording using "Left FirePod ASIO x64 Pod 1 - Input 3L" at the time, so I wound up with a stereo track with a redundant side. The fact that I was getting a signal into the other input contributed to the confusion, because I was seeing activity on my meters. By the time my eye traced across that huge string, I lost which "Input 3L" was the correct one. Cakewalk tantalizingly gives us partial control by allowing us to assign "friendly names" to each of the "stereo pairs." However, only the text string following "Left" can be changed, Cakewalk won't let me rename the individual halves of the imaginary pair. So it always has to be "Left 1/Right 1/Stereo 1" "Left 3/Right 3/Stereo 3" and so on. I can't name them something like "One/Two/One+Two Stereo" which is what they actually are. The end result is that the even-numbered inputs lose their names I'm willing to roll up my sleeves and do it myself in Preferences or by editing a file, just please let me before I make a costlier error regarding arming the correct input(s). Need I add that my other audio programs don't have this same problem....Mixcraft, Reason, they figured out how to show me the individual inputs by their actual names.

I'm not 100% sure, but I'd think "Collapse to Lanes" would be selecting multiple tracks and then the lanes in those tracks would end up under one track? In the case of my Send to Track feature, I'd find it handy to be able to have the choice of creating a new track as the target or choosing an existing track.

? Well, cross your fingers! I don't consider a program truly "stable" until I can forget to exit it and leave it running overnight and then sit down and it hasn't frozen or crashed. Cakewalk passed that threshold quite some time ago, to the point where I don't even think about it any more.

The OP had good luck indeed. This is a really helpful online community. Maybe it's kind of a sideways "good sign," maybe the BandLab servers are having trouble keeping up with demand. If that's the case, I hope they get it sorted quickly. But then again, maybe most of the BandLab DAW users keep it "in the box." I see a lot of potential in their collaboration model, too, and I look forward to more seamless Cakewalk integration. A friend of mine recently bought a used iPad with the idea that he could use Garage Band, and was despondent that Apple were app-blocking him from installing it, despite the fact that his is running iOS 12.X. I suggested he try BandLab, and it didn't quite get through at first (people love their Apple ecosystem), but now he's forgotten all about Garage Band.

Your question appears to be about one of the functions of the BandLab online DAW, while this forum is for discussing Cakewalk, BandLab's Windows-only standalone DAW that's descended from SONAR. Some few people here use both of them, but you'll probably get better help in a forum dedicated to discussion of the browser-based DAW. The only advice I can give is....since you're running a Windows 10 system, if you feel like you get to the point with BandLab's (reportedly excellent) online DAW where you want to make the jump to a pro desktop type, use BandLab Assistant to download and install Cakewalk and see what you think. Good luck!

In case you hadn't noticed, you no longer must hold the Ctrl key to get your fully-active right-click context menu. It's not just the snap feature that's been amended per your requests.... Speak up, they need to know that it's now really working the way you all wanted it to.?

Wait a minute, let's not go crazy here! Hey, the beloved Drum Map Manager has its own somewhat idiosyncratic keystroke modifier to streamline this mass operation. To change the Output Port for all rows with the same Channel/Port, press CTRL+SHIFT while changing the Port. Did I just add years to your life or what? You can also use Ctrl to select multiple rows while you're toiling in the DMM.

So, Jerry, is thy Staff View once again a comfort to you? ?

This was a suggestion from the manual, they said if the DAW has the ability to do per-core plug-in load balancing that multiple instances will probably be less expensive. This has piqued my curiosity: if Omnisphere is able to use multiple cores and Cakewalk is able to do load balancing, I wonder how those two things affect each other. I mean, does Cakewalk's load balancing affect Omnisphere's engine's ability to access cores other than the one it gets assigned to, is Omnisphere going to use only that core?

Cakewalk by BandLab has no payware plug-ins, but this is a fine idea, especially when it comes to text legibility.

Yeah, that's what I picked up. After parsing it some more, it looked more like what he was trying to accomplish was a multitimbral setup. Was I correct on how to do a multitimbral setup? I only ever tried it once, with Xpand! and I couldn't get the second channel to make a sound. Out of curiosity I looked at Omnisphere's manual and they say that with DAW's that support multicore processing for plug-ins, it's actually a better strategy to just slap an instance on every channel where you're using it because the DAW will load balance more efficiently. So a multitimbral approach can be more expensive in a well-designed DAW like Cakewalk. That single instance of Omnisphere will be working twice as hard and on one core rather than cruising on two. Ah well, it's surely a useful thread for someone looking to get MIDI out from their plug-ins!

Lots of solid advice on how to enable MIDI output from plug-ins. I hope that it helps the OP achieve their goal of having sound on another channel without having to open Omnisphere again, and thereby conserve CPU resources. I'm not sure how merely enabling MIDI output is going to further either of those goals, though. Were it me, I would be investigating Omnisphere's multitimbral capabilities. That would satisfy the one criterion of not having to open another instance of Omnisphere, and it would allow for having notes on 2 channels. To do that, wouldn't they set up a single instance of Omnisphere on an Instrument Track, with 2 MIDI Tracks, each set to a different MIDI channel, and outputs set to the Omnisphere?

Background: There is a situation I find myself in on just about every project I do: when recording in Loop Mode, more than one guitar or vocal takes are keepers, and can be used for doubling, or in the case of vocals, sometimes the singer decides to have some fun and starts singing harmony lines, or whatever. Also, sometimes when comping and editing I want to "park" alternate takes for possible use later, and the most resource-friendly way to do that is to move them to another track and Archive the track. This is because Cakewalk streams all audio files associated with any clips in the project, even if they are muted. The only way to stop that is to put them in a track and archive the track. Feature Request: Similar to how we already have "Send to Folder" for Tracks, it would be great to have "Send to Track" for Lanes. This would allow me to select the takes I want and Send to Track, with the option to send to an existing track or create a new track. Then I can comp them into a backing vocal or archive them or whatever. The lanes would be deleted from the source track. This would be a very nice shortcut to the drag and drop way I do it now.

First, a sample rate of 192000 is high for a novice recordist. Even 88.2K or 96K are considered by most to be for use in special circumstances. A system with a Ryzen 3700x is likely to include other components that make it so you will be able to track with low latency. You don't say anything about the complexity of your project, how many plug-ins, etc., but I'll presume that since you mention "playing guitar" that you're trying to record audio, not MIDI with a virtual instrument. So the "delay" you describe occurs between when you sing or play a note and when you hear it in your monitors (or, likely, headphones). Okay, the thing to do is to set Cakewalk up to use ASIO Driver Mode in the Playback and Recording preferences. In the control panel for the Focusrite, set your recording sample rate to 44,100KHz/24 and 4mS. That should be plenty low enough latency at the interface level. Then try the following steps without adding any plug-in effects: Set up a small test project and first make sure you can play back audio in Cakewalk. Just drag an audio file from somewhere on your computer onto the Track View, and see if it plays back okay. If that works, plug in a mic, or plug your guitar in to the interface, and set up an audio track, and set the audio track to have that channel of the interface as its input. Click on the Monitor button on the track and see if you can hear the signal coming from the interface. At this point, if everything is working okay, you should be hearing your voice or guitar nice and crisp, with imperceptible or barely perceptible delay. If you can't hear yourself, something went wrong. Your system is powerful enough to run one track at 4mS. Make sure you're setting the correct input channel, phantom power is turned on, etc. If you're hearing enough delay to call it "delay," then make sure you don't have your interface plugged into an external hub or something. Whatever else you do, ASIO Driver Mode is the preferred setting for most efficient operation, so configure your system that way if possible.

If your 'revision" consisted of mix moves and edits, yeah, lesson learned, and now turn on autosave and versioning. If what you lost was recorded audio, all audio that Cakewalk records is immediately saved to disk no matter what else happens, whether it shows up as clips in the project or not, so you may be able to find your raw audio files if you look in your project's Audio folder.

Excellent. You're halfway home. Now install 64-bit versions of them and your system will be good to go.

You make a persuasive pitch. I'll help advocate for a worthy feature or bug fix even if it isn't that big a deal for me personally. I agree that Cakewalk should have a way to route to single I/O ports. If I have a dog in the fight, it would be my continuing bemusement regarding Cakewalk's delusion that, for instance, Input 2 on my interface is actually "Firepod 1 ASIO Input 1L/R." A designation you may notice doesn't actually carry the actual name of the input in it. I'm going to take a guess that "Right Analogue 5" is actually Input 6 of your Audient. This may seem like a trivial thing to some, but so far the confusing nomenclature has contributed to 3 instances of my failing to capture a track during drum tracking sessions (practice sessions all, so I wasn't being fully diligent, and it wasn't a critical performance), and then another embarrassing episode where I spent 5 very. long. minutes. tapping on a mic stand, clapping my hands, having the talent speak into a mic, cranking up the gain on the interface unable to figure out why the hell my mic sounded so thin and distant before realizing that it was the guitar amp mic on Input 2 (according to the paint on the front panel) not the vocal mic on Input 1 (according to the paint on the front panel) that I had assigned to the track's input and armed. Except for 1-2, and 9-10, the S/PDIF, none of the inputs or outputs on my interface is labeled or treated as a pair, but Cakewalk is like The Handmaid's Tale or something where all the inputs and outputs are divided up into pairs, and the odd ones define the pair's identity, and the even ones lose their identities. "You are not Input 2, in Cakewalk, you are Input 1R." So I'd settle for the darn things just being displayed correctly.?

Grr, I have interface envy. Much as I like my Firepods, got a heck of a deal on the pair of them, the original mixer software was written for Windows XP and is long abandoned. The next generation of the device came with the fancy software that would allow things like this to go on outside the DAW. So I must rely entirely on what the 'pods can do with their hardware, and getting low latency in the DAW, in order to monitor or use external gear. If PreSonus had ever made a program for it, or made the program backward compatible, it would be fine, but they didn't. At least the Windows 7 driver still works with Windows 10.

I appreciate that. I really do dislike it when people do that with the unspoken idea that I should suck it up because their pet DAW can "already do that." Yeah, if I stand on my head and tap dance with my elbows, sure. ? People make feature requests because they like the program and they want it to be better, they go to the trouble of writing it out. If they're polite, I try to be polite as well. Sometimes the program does actually have the feature already. BTW, my semi-hidden agenda here is to keep the dialog going so as to keep your topic up at the top. That's part of how feature requests get attention, is if they hang around for a while. The devs are busy devving, or if you please, the bakers are busy baking, so checking the forum is a secondary task. As chuckebaby says, your best hope is that altering the existing plug-in is a simple task. You mention "proper implementation." I'm not familiar with how it's done in other programs, I think I tried it out in Mixcraft and it wasn't done with a plug-in, it was similar to a hardware mixer insert. Is this what you mean? With all the high-powered routing that I can otherwise do in Cakewalk, it does seem kinda weird that the only way to get a signal out and back to an external processor while mixing is via a plug-in that assumes I want to eat up a stereo pair. It sounds like what chuckebaby says is true for pros who have interfaces with lots of I/O flexibility, but even my 8 input/8 output Firepods only have one pair that can be used for this purpose (I think). I know that there are plenty of home studio/bedroom producer people who are way into patching in funky old processors, even stompboxes for reamping and they may be using a 2 channel or 4 channel interface. Is this the issue with the people you know?