Noel Borthwick

@Jean-Philippe ROGERCan you send a link to a zip of the project file. Its hard to know what you are running into without being able to see and reproduce it.

Put it on a share and send me a link.

Arranger is fully integrated with MIDI. What Mark mentioned has to do with certain generative VST instruments that have their own internal timeline (EzDrummer, etc) If you sequence something within the VST to play based on the original project timeline, of course the VST will playback using that timeline as a reference. So if you make an arrangement that splits up the original project into different sections the plugin will be unaware of this and will continue to play based on the original project timeline. You have two ways to handle this: Don't use the plugin's internal timeline to sequence things Freeze the plugin before rendering an arrangement Note that arrangement preview will always work since it hasn't committed the arrangement yet.

We just posted the 2020.04 early access release. Please post any comments or feedback directly in the linked thread. We're very excited to get this major update of Cakewalk out. We plan on releasing the final build next week which will include a few more tweaks.

I assure you it will be worth the wait

@HIBI this is fixed for next release.

Will look into it thanks for the heads up

Hi Folks, as mentioned in the prior release that model is considered "beta" since I still have to do more testing with it. The latency problem is due to a weird race condition leading to audio buffers being lost. I just havent had time to track it down yet but will get to it. For now don't use that model until further notice.

@Maxim Vasilyev the problem with track names displaying garbage has been fixed. As mentioned above its actually caused by the way the VST3 SDK reported this so technically could have been easily addressed from the plugin side (most other VST3 plugins handle it). However I have made a change to resolve it from our end. As far as VST2 goes there is no way for a host to report track names to the plugin via the standard VST protocol so this won't work with Relay in any host. You must use the VST3 version to get this functionality. Cakewalk has supported VST3 channel naming from the get go for many years now. With regard to track ordering in Neutron, this is a deficiency in the plugin since it it appears to be sorting the track names alphabetically and ignoring the host specified track order. There is a specific VST3 interface that can be used by the plugin to identify the order of tracks. If they use that the tracks will be sorted in the same way that they appear in the host. This is how it works with the Softube Console One. BTW the same track ordering problem can be observed in other VST3 hosts such as Reaper.

I've fixed this issue as well for the next release. It had to do with some peculiarities with how Relay requests the host to do resizing via VST3.

Oh well I managed to sort out the string garbage by fixing some code in the VST3 SDK . The SDK code was not copying over the null terminator for the string ? I'll submit my change to Steinberg as well since any app that uses that would be susceptible to the same problem.

@Matthew Sorrels I finally had a chance to look at this. The problem is not in the Cakewalk code. The channel names are provided by a standard VST3 interface called IAttributeList and provided via ChannelContext::IInfoListener. In this the string is properly null terminated but VST requires the user of the string to use the string size provided and properly null terminate their target. This is not being done by the Izotope plugin hence the garbage appears. I will pass on this information to Izotope.

I cant quite follow what the problem the user is having other than the fact that something doesn't work right with REAC. Since we no longer have a REAC system to test and it is no longer supported by Roland its going to be hard to troubleshoot. One suggestion is to turn on "StopEngineOnASIOPanelOpen" since some Roland devices don't like the audio engine running when the ASIO panel is opened.

A fix for this is now available in the hotfix we just released.

After several hours of troubleshooting and a tip from @Steve Katsikas I managed to reproduce the issue again. Its a bizarre preexisting problem that happens when you seek on the timeline to a late measure. In my testing the app would appear hang for about 5-10 seconds and then vanish silently. I was able to find the root cause and fix it last night. The engine was incorrectly responding to a seek on the timeline and computing a bogus delay compensation value. In Steve's case this could compute a delay of up to 3 hours ? This value would then be used to send a HUGE MIDI buffer the next time playback started causing an overflow and crash. While most users wouldn't necessarily see a crash (since its dependent on the amount of MIDI data) this issue results in way more MIDI data being processed when playback starts at a high measure number. I've sent Steve a build to verify the fix and if all is well we'll be releasing a hotfix with this and a few other issues soon. I'm happy that this issue is fixed since it could have been the cause of many unknown random crashes in the field over the years - the problem has been latent at least since 2006 Fortunately his project was reliably able to reproduce this and allow us to fix it. Thanks for working with us to repro the issue.

@Steve Katsikas its the strangest thing. I tried for 30 mins today to reproduce this issue and it is no longer happening. I went back to 2020.01 and even SONAR and the project plays fine at 48K and I even the your markers while playing extensively. Both myself and a colleague were able to reproduce it earlier but the issue seems to have gone away. Can you please retest this after updating windows since its not impossible that there was some external update that fixed itself. If you can still reproduce it please see if you can get a sequence of steps that makes it more likely to happen. @Bob4u I think your issue may be something else based on the crash. Please ensure that your VC redists are up to date by downloading and updating the latest 64 bit VC redist from microsoft.

I posted an update for this issue here.

Hi @Robert Bone @FJ Lamela and others who had this issue. Please try out this version of VST scanner. I've updated the logic so that it is more specific about the VST3 folder rather than just checking for VST3, It will now only look at the standard VST3 folders under Program files or Program Files (x86). Also it wont get tripped up by names like VST32. You will need to copy that file into C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared Utilities and then scan again. Let me know if it fixes the issue.

@FJ Lamela Some questions: Are the 7 plugins removed when you scan from cakewalk the same plugins from c:/vst32/? Do any of those plug-ins reside within a folder that has the name VST3? Are the removed plugins VST2 plugins?

There have been no changes to Plug-in manager recently. All it does is utilize the VST scanner for scanning but as has been mentioned numerous times, all scanning should be done from Cakewalk not plugin manager. We don't maintain or test scanning from plug-in manager and the scan functionality from there will be removed soon. There are many other improvements to scanning such as sandbox scanning that are only available from the Cakewalk preferences dialog. We'll look into why this happened but please use the standard preferences page for scanning, which has been the preferred way to do it for many years.

@mgustavoWe'll investigate it for a future release. Thanks for testing it.

Yes exactly. Please don't manually remove DLL's from those folders that you are not aware of since you will likely break existing VST3 plugins. Vendors may have necessary helper dlls there. My point was that you should not install VST2 plug-in's there.

@rv729 How did you end up getting your VST2 plugins placed in the reserved VST3 folder? Actual plugins in that folder should always have the .VST3 extension. You should never install VST2 plugins in the VST3 folder since it will no longer work. As of 2019.01 we exclusively scan VST3 plugins in the Program Files\Common Files\VST3 folder. This was done because some vendors install child DLL files for their plugins there and scanning these dlls cause other problems.

Please send the dump file for analysis. Your issue may not be the same problem

@Steve KatsikasThere is something strange going on with that project leading to a MIDI buffer overflow. I'll have to spend some time debugging it on Monday. This happens in older versions of Cakewalk as well. I went back as far as September and also tried SONAR which hangs with that project.