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1 hour ago, InstrEd said:

I'm hoping  CbB will get some new videos tutorials for beginners. Presonus has a boatload of videos showing how to use the program.

Have you seen these? There are 50 video tutorials produced by StreamworksAudio for Sonar X2. They are probably complete enough to give a newcomer a good start on the core workflow, although it would lack many of the newer features.  Those are probably not necessary to learn the basics though, and many professionals got their work done on even older versions of Sonar. The GUI hasn't been changed drastically since the X series introduced the "Skylight" interface.

SWA Complete Sonar X2    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKRYWdEpbc5PgUgvrNuSvVyfv5qkll0qj

This should be the index to the video chapter titles:

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1. Audio Interface Setup - 7:24
2. Audio Interface Options - 8:20
3. MIDI Device Setup - 8:58
4. MIDI Clock & Sync - 10:19
5. Control Surface Setup - 14:20
6. File Options - 10:08
7. Plugin Manager - 6:44
8. Instrument Definitions - 10:09
9. GUI & Track Overview - 14:48
10. The Browser - 8:58
11. Multidock & Control Bar - 11:41
12. Inspector & Control View - 7:02
13. Piano Roll View & Screensets - 10:05
14. Project, Track & Bus Templates - 14:02
15. Exploring the Track - 14:35
16. Exploring the Track (Pt.2) - 14:50
17. Exploring the Track (Pt.3) - 13:55
18. Exploring the Track (Pt.4) - 7:52
19. MIDI Synths - 13:03
20. MIDI Synths (Pt.2) - 5:47
21. Session Drummer & Drum Maps - 12:13
22. Audio Routing - 13:06
23. Working with Video - 4:02
24. Audio & MIDI Basics - 23:26
25. MIDI Advanced - 10:46
26. The Matrix - 16:15
27. Step Sequencer - 12:03
28. Editing Basics - 11:47
29. Editing Basics (Pt.2) - 11:45
30. Editing Basics (Pt.3) - 16:17
31. Editing MIDI - 11:22
32. Editing MIDI (Pt.2) - 8:50
33. Staff View - 6:22
34. Comping and V-Vocal - 17:22 - (V-Vocal not in X3)
35. Groove Loops (Clips) - 12:32
36. Working with Tempo - 10:24
37. Working with Audiosnap - 8:47
38. Working with Audiosnap (Pt.2) - 8:26
39. Working with Audiosnap (Pt.3) - 9:34
40. Working with Audiosnap (Pt.4) - 6:23
41. Console View - 9:32
42. Clean Up & Bouncing - 8:25
43. Control Groups & Gain Control - 10:24
44. Pro Channel & Side Chains - 12:56
45. Working with FX & FX Bins - 11:31
46. Working with FX Chains - 10:30
47. Working with Automation - 7:58
48. Working with Automation (Pt.2) - 10:53
49. Working with Automation (Pt.3) - 13:04
50. Exporting - 8:05

19 minutes ago, InstrEd said:

Still they could but up the older manual for download.

True, but I can understand why they don't put it up for CbB users.  It is not current, and they have no plans to update it. 

The Sonar Platinum local docs are still available via Cakewalk Command Center, or in "My Account > My Products"  if you have the product in your old Cakewalk account.

It's been years since I used my external hardware (including a Roland JV-1080), but I seem to recall the need to also set up an instrument definition file correctly in Cakewalk to be able to access the patches in the instrument banks.

4 minutes ago, pwalpwal said:

i'm surprised these are still being hosted on google docs

The official release notes for the current release are on the BandLab page here: https://www.bandlab.com/products/cakewalk/whats-new

I just linked to the jump for "See previous release notes", for convenience (in case somebody did not see that little link at the bottom of the page).  The previous notes for the 8 releases are archived on that google docs site. It is a simple matter to publish a revised doc to google docs, and at this point (I'm assuming) that it may be a matter of convenience to not have to update multiple web pages monthly. 

How much are you paying a month to have this documentation maintained? 

1 hour ago, Suboculis said:

The Spring update will allow you to stop downloading updates even with the Home version.

Any links? The only reference I see is to the Spring 2018 update.

13 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

'cab, the PDF is out of date in that it doesn't include the last 8 months' features, right?

Right.  You can access the release notes for the 8 updates to CbB by clicking the "Whats new" link in the help menu, or here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aFOe_zJrd3x2EnaZ_Jc3iSbZPG2WANiCD4_RP83OjlA/edit

The installed  Platinum Reference Guide PDF copy that I have shows a date of 10/20/2017 as the last update.  I believe that was the most current available for the last release of Platinum 2017.10. The associated .CHM file date was 10/23/2017.

It should be sufficient for new users, or for those just catching up from Sonar 8.5 or X3, LOL!  There was about a bazillion new features added during the Platinum years! I was a holdout on X3 until late 2016, and it really blew my mind what all was new in Platinum by that point.

If you want to take a stroll back down memory lane to all of the goodies in Platinum since 2015, you can find them here: https://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Whats-New#start

The eZine PDF articles linked with the updates in 2015 and 2016 have many good how-to write-ups and tips regarding new features, and are worth reading.

In 2017 Cakewalk switched from the eZine format to the "Learn more" links, then with 2017.05, they also resumed publishing the eZine articles in the "TECH + MUSIC" format.  Good stuff!

6 minutes ago, LadyFuzztail said:

That is actually not a bad idea, considering that Mac OS is based on FreeBSD as well

Mac OS is actually a certified Unix OS as of 10.2. So Linux/Unix/BSD do have a lot in common under the hood.   The different audio subsystems for each are probably the biggest consideration for any audio development.

I have been a Linux user (for non-audio applications) for many years, and I get why some folks want to go there with their audio production. But that is an even smaller market than the Mac OS offers.

I really don't think BandLab is going to re-write the Cakewalk code base for cross platform use any time soon. I think most current Cakewalk users would rather BandLab just make CbB the best possible DAW on Windows, and forget making crossovers.

My earlier comment was really tongue in cheek, as I wouldn't be holding my breath for this one. There are DAWs that already run on Linux, but I cannot vouch for them as I have not tried them yet.  https://www.slant.co/topics/6067/~daws-for-linux

5 hours ago, kitekrazy said:

BTW this will not stop updating a newer version of W10.

Yes, wushowhide CAN hide the W10 version updates, just like any other update. Windows update will not download and run any hidden updates.  This tool even works in Windows 10 Home.

But the little trick is you must hide them before Windows update finds them. 

One thing to be wary of is that MS sometimes re-releases an update, which can make it available again even after you have hidden it, because it is  now a new version of the update. Like a game of whack-a-mole.

If you have a recent copy of Sonar installed, you may find a slightly out of date 2348 page PDF version of the reference guide in "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR Platinum".

9 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

  Meaning as they revise the bugs.  Most updates mess up my networking and the only fix is reverting to previous Windows.   The only reason why I see that these problems exist is that the OS is free and they cut the budget by using incompetent developers.  If there is one constant I see in the software world outside of DAW development is poor programming, especially the gaming industry.   Now Apple may be coming to the reality that their stuff is overpriced, that could put another dent in the PC industry.   Even Apple DAW users suffer from the evolving OS.  

That is why I always take a full Macrium Reflect image before any OS update/upgrade.  I don't trust MS anymore. But with that image in hand I can roll back to where I was before in just 35 minutes(1).  So if I don't like the update, or something has broken, no problemo!

(1) using an external USB3 drive restoring to an internal SSD SATA drive; image file size 132GB.

22 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

Synthmaster is one of the most overrated synths that can be had at times for under $50.   I've noticed with synths there's always a popularity trend.  Serum is the new top dog, then there was Spire and Sylenth.  Usually these trends what patches are released by developers.   

I would recommend just starting out with all the good freebies available, before buying anything.  That would give you a better idea of what your needs are, and where to put your budget.

Then I would get all of the $1 - $29 dollar instrument deals that I could find.

Then I would get SynthMaster (on sale). 

Then I would carefully pick and choose from among the current popularity contest winners (and u-he), and choose one or two keepers after trying the demos.

6 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

 So often that's the failed new release of Windows.

Yup, I generally hide the new releases for 6 months or more, until MS has published a few bug fix revisions.  That way I am not just another unsuspecting beta tester.

I find the "wushowhide" utility very useful for allowing the monthly quality & security update to pass, but keeping the latest major feature update hidden until I am ready to upgrade. By hiding the feature  upgrade, I can keep it hidden for as long as I want.

MS will always quietly push out the next major feature updates when they consider them ready, so it is always good to run this utility before checking for any updates, so as not to get blindsided with a major update.

20 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

Just curious but can you pick which updates to download?  I can't click which ones it's like all or nothing.

You can't pick and choose from the Windows update screen anymore, but you can hide the ones you wish to avoid before checking. Once you check, you will open up the chute for anything that is not hidden from Windows to come rolling downhill, LOL!

Use the little MS utility "wushowhide" to hide unwanted updates.  I have saved a shortcut icon on my desktop for it.

EZ Tutorial for use here: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/8280-hide-show-windows-updates-windows-10-a.html

The CI feature reminds me of the days of dial-up modems and fax machines.

There was always a negotiation step during the dial-up connection process where the two devices decided what transmission rate was acceptable to both.  You always had to accept default to the lowest common denominator, or the speed of the slowest device.

This sounds like a great way to roll out new MIDI features, while keeping the old standards intact.

If you use two new devices that both support a new MIDI feature, then great, they should work together with the new v2 feature enabled.  But if you buy a new device and want to connect it to your old stuff, it should still work, but only the v1 features will be available.

6 hours ago, Steev said:

WRONG. You can only turn off Notifications. Windows update ALWAYS runs in the background. Windows 10 Pro allows you to "defer" major version releases. "Defer" i.e. to "put off",

Dude, with all respect, you are just 100% wrong about this.  I have been using Windows 10 Pro for 2.5 years, and Windows never updates until I ask it to check for updates.

There is a policy setting in "Group Policy Editor" that lets you completely 100% disable automatic updating, as well as the notifications.   I have never in 2.5 years had a Windows update that ran without me first clicking on "check for updates". Of course, I always take a full Macrium Reflect image before I push that button.

Group Policy Editor > Local Computer Policy > Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > All Settings > Configure Automatic Updates

The text highlighted in blue in the image above explains how the policy works if it is set to "disabled".   I am quoting it here for clarity because it seems that embedded screen captures on this forum have a max width of 400 pixels. Too small to read.

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If the status for this policy is set to Disabled, any updates that are available on Windows Update must be downloaded and installed manually. To do this, search for Windows Update using Start.

4 hours ago, Scott R. Garrigus said:

On Windows Home, setting your connection to Metered will stop updates as well. Although, I don't know if that's just a delay or if it turns them off until you change the Metered option.

That can work if you are extra vigilant.  But I have one computer with Home and one with Pro, and I had a major feature update slip past me on Home once when I temporarily disabled the Metered network  option in order to let my monthly security update run.  You will have to disable that to get any downloads to run. If you do so, you will effectively open up the download chute to any updates that are lurking when you check for updates. It is too late to pick and choose 'em at that point.  Boom!

I prefer the confidence that Pro offers to not get blindsided like that!

55 minutes ago, scook said:

They all only add a single stereo output when selecting "All Synth Audio Outputs:  Stereo" in CbB 2019.01.

OK. Have just upgraded TX16Wx to v3.0.16b, and it is silent after the first stereo output in CbB.

When I choose "all synth audio outputs" I get all the output channel strips in CbB with the VST2, but only the first output channel strip shows up with the VST3.

So then I tried it in Studio One 4, and only the VST2 works over there with audio on all outputs.  I can see the outputs from the VST3, but they are silent. I think the dev has some work to do with his new version...

15 minutes ago, scook said:

Which release of TX16Wx and plug-in format? I checked free versions 3.0.14b (VST2 and VST3) and 3.0.16b VST3. They all only add a single stereo output when selecting "All Synth Audio Outputs:  Stereo" in CbB 2019.01.

CWITEC TX16Wx Software Sampler 2.4.2d, VST2, 64-bit, installed in 2016.  

Guess I missed the update?

I'll have to check that out...

I have this working in CbB. You first have to insert the TX16Wx synth with "MIDI source" + "all synth audio outputs: mono (or stereo)" in CbB.  This will give you all of the channel strips in CbB.  This works essentially the same as any other multi out instrument.

Then you can assign the individual program slots in TX16Wx to your choice of outputs as S1+2, S3+4, etc., or M1, M2, etc.  Mono outputs would probably work best for drums.

If you have only inserted TX16Wx as a simple instrument track, by default only S1+2 (stereo) is available for audio output in CbB, and selecting the other outputs in the plugin will fail to pass audio to CbB because no route exists for them in the DAW.

7 hours ago, SomeGuy said:

All of the Sonitus stuff would have to be rewritten.

Off-topic, but the Sonitus DX stuff (as well as other DXi like TTS-1) opens in Reaper. That's the only other host that I am aware of with that capability out of the box.

Reaper isn't my cup of tea, but I have to credit the developers with writing some tight code. The Windows installer is only 11MB.  And the app is cross platform.

4 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

Two things:

1. you don't need to be running Windows 10 Pro to be able to turn things on and off with Group Policy Editor. I learned this just recently. Group Policy Editor, along with other old admin tools friends of mine, comes with every installation of Windows 10. It's hidden, you just need to know the recipe to gain access to it. Kinda like the PX-64 and VX-64 in CbB. I shall leave the rest to the Googling pleasure of those who are interested.

That appears to be a rather grand proclamation, but bottom line you offer no evidence, nor willingness to share the solution with the group.  Why even bother?

We're still waiting for that.