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1 hour ago, msmcleod said:

The easiest way to do it is like this:

Was that all  "MIDI out" from Omnisphere?

I don't own it, just curious...

55 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said:

I'm not sure how merely enabling MIDI output is going to further either of those goals, though. Were it me, I would be investigating Omnisphere's multitimbral capabilities. That would satisfy the one criterion of not having to open another instance of Omnisphere, and it would allow for having notes on  2 channels.

To do that, wouldn't they set up a single instance of Omnisphere on an Instrument Track, with 2 MIDI Tracks, each set to a different MIDI channel, and outputs set to the Omnisphere?

Well the topic of the post was "MIDI out", so proceeded to answer that one.

If the topic had been "How to send MIDI channels to a multi-timbral VST", would have gone that way.

By the way, the OP liked my answer, even though the question wasn't entirely clear, as you pointed out. Possibly an English translation thing?

1 hour ago, TerraSin said:

He mentioned on KVR that was not the case.

I wonder if he did regular server backups? Industry standard I would think... ?

2 hours ago, chris.r said:

LOL! Maybe I'll be able to cancel my Sonar Lifetime Updates order...? Too late, I think ?

Me too!!! ???

4 hours ago, User 905133 said:

I don't have any Waves products, but the discussion about hardware/IDs/etc. is good to know about in case other products use a similar protection/authorization scheme.  Thanks for raising the issue and for reporting the details of the detective work on this. 

It's a Waves one-of-a-kind as far as I know. I prefer the Pace iLok Software Manager to Waves, and that's also a very unpopular protection scheme. But Pace has never once lost my licenses after an upgrade! But the background Pace License Service always running annoys many folks.

I actually much prefer a simple serial number tied to my email.

Second choice would be the Arturia Software Center, Izotope Product Portal, or Native Instruments Native Access. Those have been trouble free for me. Not intrusive, and they just seem to work. Plus they install my software and product updates for me, as well as keep up with my authorizations. All different and proprietary. All OK by me, and no full-time background service required. Sort of like the BandLab Assistant, but much better!

However, XLN Audio (using the XLN Online Installer) ties your activations to your system software ID. Which by the way always breaks the authorization with every semi-annual Microsoft Windows 10 Feature Update (which is actually a Windows version upgrade, which includes a new ID). Easy to fix by going to your account at the XLN website and removing your old computer ID and authorizing the new ID (funny, it's generally the same computer name). But annoying.

I didn't cover them all here, but hopefully the few examples  show there is no industry standard for license protection. Recommend familiarizing yourself with the license details for the products you own.

2 hours ago, cclarry said:

with any order at JRR...just add to cart

https://www.jrrshop.com/air-music-tech-hybrid-3

Old deal... expired...

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Receive Hybrid 3 free with any order! Hybrid 3 must be registered before January 7, 2019, after which it will no longer work!

So JRR is still back in the 2018 way back machine!

And if you do lose all of your licenses (even due to their silly product protection hack), you are only entitled to a Waves license recovery once per year free of charge.

They are online again, and I can login to my account. But something still isn't right. No Studio One 5 yet, just Studio One 4.

Did they get hacked?

7 hours ago, Starise said:

The last WUP allows use on two computers without a dongle I think....not sure if this somehow ties in.  

That would be ideal!

But I don't wish to pay for WUP. It's a subscription basically, and I am against that in principle.

Why can't they just be like everyone else and issue you 2 licenses? It's a pain in the rear to move your licenses to the cloud, just so you can move them temporarily to a different computer. I have decided not to buy any more Waves products due to this silly limitation.

Waves licenses are tied to your hardware. Certain changes can make them go away, such as deleting that hardware without realizing your licenses are linked to it. I can imagine it would be wise to move them to the license cloud prior to any major system upgrades.

I found that in my case they were tied to a virtual ethernet network loopback adapter. I deleted it, and boom! No more Waves licenses.

I had to use the Waves once-a-year free license recovery to get them all back ( my Waves licenses were all on my local machine, not the cloud). I assume you must have returned yours to the cloud before the big update?

The alternative method for Waves license storage besides the cloud, or your local machine, was mentioned by Waves support is that you can move them to a USB flash drive. That makes it a USB dongle that you can move to any machine where you have installed the Waves plugins, but not yet activated. The plugins will be activated on whatever machine that you have the flash drive plugged into. Solves the problem of only having one license if you regularly move between 2 machines, such as the home and studio, or desktop and laptop.

1 hour ago, pbognar said:

Heck, I'm still shocked that REAPER added notation.  They were primarily focused on audio, with MIDI a little less mature.

I think that for a DAW to be mainstream, it cannot disregard the education market. Without usable notation it is a non-starter in that segment. Music education is all about reading and writing those little dots on the staff.

I'm sure that there are lots of potential future users still in diapers. They will adopt the tools that they learn in school one day. It would be smart to not miss out on that opportunity.

I think that PreSonus is looking at it from both perspectives. Popular music and traditional music education.

3 hours ago, mettelus said:

I still think PreSonus spends time reading other DAW forums... it seems a lot of features requested or complained about with other DAWs just magically show up in SO.

Exactly what I was thinking... ?

4 hours ago, Starise said:

I remember that discussion on Overture. I think $$ was a consideration then for sure.

I have a hard time believing that beats/live performance are the things that seem to be getting all of the attention as evidenced by SO5's new performance page, though they also added notation. Presonus must think they are getting reliable stats from somewhere. Looks like they sort of accommodated both groups.

I think there has been some feedback over at PreSonus that lack of scoring  in Studio One was one of the things keeping the professional film and TV scoring crowd from making the switch to Studio One. If they can strike a balance between them and the beats crowd, then I think they will be able to make lots of folks happy.

The closest that Cakewalk apparently came was a few years ago, before Gibson bailed out, when the developer of Overture had made a proposal to provide a scoring solution for Cakewalk, based on his application. It could have been a thing, but management decided not to go that direction. So I believe that there is some weight to notation being viewed as a low priority. But then as we all know now, there were apparently some serious financial issues within Gibson/Cakewalk at the time, so maybe it was lost in the shuffle.

There is a discussion somewhere on the old Cakewalk Forum about this, around the time of the great shutdown.

But we Sonar users were offered a very nice crossgrade offer from Overture during our dark times.

12 minutes ago, Nigel Mackay said:

Enable MIDI Out is in the Insert Synth dialog, and is on by default. Switch it on once and it will be on always from then on.

Yes but that doesn't switch it on in the VST instrument's internal options. Another step that is required.

17 minutes ago, Nigel Mackay said:

With other VSTs, open the GUI, click the VST2 or VST3 dropdown in the top row of the window. If the VST can do MIDI out you will be able to enable it. If it isn't already enabled.

 

The guidelines scook posted are regarding the Cakewalk setup. You will still need to check the options in the  instrument itself, as in my first pic above.

 One example is the Ample Sound instruments. MIDI output is internally off by default. May likely vary by developer. I don't think there is a standard, and many instruments don't even offer that feature. But it is quite useful if an instrument has an internal arpeggiator, sequencer, or a riffer. ?

First, the source VST must be capable of MIDI out. Cakewalk can allow MIDI out from a VST, but only if the VST supports it.

Here is an example using Kontakt Player, which is capable:

Step 1. Enable MIDI out from the VST settings.

Step 2. Enable MIDI out in the Cakewalk Plugin window VST options pull down menu.

Step 3.  Select the new MIDI input source and channel on another instrument or MIDI track.

Larry's IN THE HOUSE!!! ?

The May 2020 edition of SoundBytes had a nice write up on the Surge Synth, now a free and open source synth, currently being developed by a group of GitHub developers. Worth checking the article  out if you missed it!

For fans of VCV Rack, there are now Surge modules available for the virtual rack synth!

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Surge is a digital software powerhouse of a synth, with facilities that equal or exceed many a commercial synth. 

https://soundbytesmag.net/freebies-of-the-month-surge-and-others/

1 hour ago, Vernon Barnes said:

I think Estey was a paid product they gave away free for a while.  The other were always free but when they introduced NKS support they added these instruments to the Player compatible ones.

I love the Rocksichord in particular.

Well you would make your $49 back on the Estey with the crossgrade deal on Kontakt 6 at $249 crossgrade vs. $399 full version.

I also have the free DrumMic'a and the paid SoundIron Hyperion Strings Micro, but the NI website only shows the Estey for my crossgrade deal. I don't think it will list more than 1, if you have more than 1 eligible instrument. I'm pretty sure that at one time Drum Mic'a did work for that deal.

I own the Soniccouture Estey Reed Organ, an instrument for Kontakt and Kontakt Player.

My account at Native Instruments show me eligible to crossgrade to the full version of Kontakt 6 for $249. Waiting for their next 50% off sale (at $125) ... ?

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"As an owner of Soniccouture - Estey Reed Organ you qualify to install and activate this version."

This instrument currently  lists for $49 at Soniccouture. I got it for free during a giveaway a few years ago.

http://www.soniccouture.com/en/products/18-exclusive-free-content/p233-estey-reed-organ/

However they  are currently offering these other Kontakt Player instruments for free: http://www.soniccouture.com/en/free-stuff/

I'm curious if NI will recognize any of these freebies as crossgrade eligible?

2 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

Edit to add, they don't show up either in the CCC or My Products

They are located in the Studio Mixing FX Suite under Platinum in CCC (if you click on Platinum in the CCC it will reveal about 18 more installers, including this one):

1 hour ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

Not sure I follow you

They SHOULD be  in the Plugin Browser under Vendor but they're not, they did not get installed

I was just suggesting to check for Nomad Factory plugins, as I couldn't find them when looking for Blue Tube in the browser, until I expanded Nomad Factory like this:

19 minutes ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

Here's a good one

I've installed everything up to and including Platinum, mostly through the CCC

However, I can't see the Blue Tubes suite that were bundled with X3 & Splat

I've only done a minimum installation of X3 but installed everything from Splat.

Any ideas?

If you view by vendor, the Blue Tubes are found under Nomad Factory.

And apologies for derailing the thread... ?