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timboaloga, I encountered and reported this problem many months ago; it occurs in both Volume and Pan envelopes and probably any other automation envelope. It was supposed to have been fixed back in the winter, v. 2025.02, but re-appeared in v. 2025.07. Hopefully the bakers will fix it soon. In the meantime, when you encounter it, go to Edit and Undo your attempt to delete any nodes in that portion of the envelope. This should take you back to the point where your envelope was normal. Next, convert all of the jump lines in or near the clip and to the left of the last node followed by a jump line (this would be the last node on the right side of the clip you've shown above) to one of the solid lines (linear or curved), then delete the nodes you want to get rid of and reshape the lines in the envelope the way you want them. It's a nuisance, but my solution will enable you to get the job done until the developers get it fixed.

One other related issue: for several months now, users have not been able to prevent the Quick Start screen from appearing after Sonar is initiated regardless of the box in the lower-left corner of the screen not being checked or the box in Preferences>Customization>Display being unchecked for Quick Start. It's a small thing for some users, but it should have been cleared up a long time ago.

Noel, I began experiencing the same problem described by Mr. Diaz and others after installing v. 2025.08, build 014 (I believe), and it has continued with builds 033 and 035. It occurs whenever I use any Workspace other than None or when I use a custom workspace I've made. I reported it to Cakewalk support and asked them to explain what the relationship is between Workspaces and the way Quick Start opens a project--no response yet. If I initiate Sonar, close the Quick Start screen, click on File and select a project, it opens exactly as I saved it, regardless of what Workspace I was using when it was saved. But this issue with Quick Start is something new.

henkejs, I certainly hope not. I can't tell you if it was integrated into Sonar after 2025.02, but if a number of users/members are unable to find it in versions as recent as 2025.08 then something is wrong. I hope someone on the staff or one of the developers can clear this up. Local Help has always been included in SONAR and CbB and it should remain a part of Sonar. Users/members should not have to download it as an additional feature or product.

guys, What you need to download is an executable file, SonarHelp_Documentation_1.0.021.exe . I encountered this same problem with Local Help earlier this year, wrote to support@ cakewalk.com and several days later it appeared under Product Updates. I did this back in February, to integrate it into the paid version of Sonar. Someone on the staff should be able to tell you if this executable file for Local Help has been updated since then. Hope you have success.

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I do a lot of composing and editing with MIDI tracks and Instrument tracks and often you have a situation where two tracks have notes of the same or nearly the same color. This presents some confusion when working in the Clips Pane, but much more confusion when you're working with both tracks in PRV. It's easy to solve the problem in Track View using Track Inspector and changing the Note or foreground color in the clips in one of the tracks. Unfortunately, the note color in PRV remains the same. It would be very helpful if a track's note color in the Clips Pane could be synced with track's note color in PRV.

Plays, Welcome aboard. I'm a little surprised that no one from the staff has responded to your post (19 hours!). I doubt if your problem with the Quick Start panel is serious enough to require a reinstallation, hopefully correcting it will be fairly simple, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to help you with this aspect of Sonar. Try contacting support@cakewalk.com or going to Support at the Cakewalk website. Hope you have success in solving your problem soon.

Noel, I've encountered problems with corruption of both the Time Ruler and automation envelopes that occur whenever the Horizontal Scroll thumb is moved. I believe these problems started occurring with build 084, but they remained after I installed build 109--see attached screenshot of a simple test project. Opening the Tack Inspector or moving the horizontal zoom clears everything up, but corruption recurs as soon as you touch the Horizontal Scroll again. I've sent all the documentation (screenshots, project, files, video, dmp files) I can to the folks at Cakewalk Support, haven't heard back. All the details can be found under Case # 2027551. BTW--heard some really nice jazz guitar playing on your blog.

Wookiee, yes and I believe my e-mails with these attachments made it through including copies to Jonathan Sasor. These problems center around Sonar's failure to re-draw things in the Clips Pane correctly after the horizontal scroll thumb has been moved. Build 097 corrected the problem of the Now Time line being messed up, but didn't correct the corruption in the automation envelopes. We are finishing a final mix for an album and rely heavily on drawing and adjusting the volume and pan envelopes in our tracks. The bugs you see in my screenshot interfere with our progress. I don't think it's related to our hardware; since April we've been using a state-of-the-art PC running Win. 11 and optimized for running Sonar.

As you can see in the attached screenshot, several of the problems that occurred in the Clips Pane with v. 2025.07 build 084 remain in build 097. Track 1 demonstrates the corruption that occurs in automation envelopes whenever you move the horizontal scroller—broken or irregular jump lines, irregular straight lines and curved envelopes. This can be cleared up by opening Track Inspector or by moving the vertical scroll thumb. The corruption in the envelope in Track 2 is an old problem that goes back, I believe, as far as v. 2024.12. It was fixed for version 2025.06, but has returned with build 097. It occurs consistently when a clip with an envelope is moved to the left and the 2nd node from the last is deleted. I've reported this problem several times both on this forum and to Support. There was no signal passing through Sonar when this screenshot was taken so there should be no green bars in either the Master or Metronome bus, yet they are there, frozen (?). I’ve sent several problem descriptions along with screenshots and project files to Cakewalk Support and have also tried to send videos and dmp files (build 097 has crashed on me twice) as requested. Some of these files may have been too large and I don’t have an account with Drop Box. I have not heard back from anyone in Cakewalk Support for over a week. Can we please get these problems corrected by the next Sonar update?

Mark, thanks for responding. I sent a project file to Lois at Support earlier today along with a new screenshot. Will send copy to Jonathan. BTW, the second time I initiated Sonar after my upgrade to build 084 it crashed (my first crash with Sonar). I have the mini-dump file, but will need to use something like Drop Box and I don't have an account with them yet.

I downloaded and installed the new 084 build today, but as soon as I initiated Sonar and selected a project several problems appeared in Track View: corrupted volume envelopes in some clips, corrupted jump line after the last node in the tracks instead of a smooth row of dots. black bar at top of clip is messed up, in the time or measure line at the top of the Clips Pane, both the numbers and tick lines are corrupted. See the attached screenshots. Maybe something went wrong with the download; please advise.

I've been using the MIDI Activity Monitor on the taskbar for years with both CbB and with Sonar running with Windows 10 and now Windows 11 and I 've never seen it fail. Not sure what the problem could be; hopefully one of the bakers will respond soon.

Often when working with MIDI and Instruments tracks in Track View and Piano Roll View you end up with two or more tracks whose notes have the same or very similar color. You can easily change the color of the notes (foreground color) in one of the tracks using Track Inspector, but the color will remain unchanged in PRV. If a way could be found to sync the color selected in the Track Inspector with the color of notes in PRV it would make editing, drawing, and arranging notes in PRV much easier.

Local Help/Off-Line Help should always be available as an integral part of Sonar just as it was in CbB and SONAR. For many of us, keeping our DAW or studio computer constantly online causes problems. Additionally, I don't appreciate and don't need the constant reminders, toast messages, that my computer is off-line. BandLab/Cakewalk has not provided a way to turn these off and these unnecessary reminders are a nuisance and a drag on workflow. Please correct this in the next version.

For me it would be Igor Stravinsky's Le Sacre du Printemps (The Rite of Spring). I was awestruck by it the first time I heard it nearly sixty years ago and am still awestruck when I hear it played today.

Jack, Many thanks for your feedback. Sorry for not having checked this post in a while, but the band wanted you to know they greatly appreciate it. Also, I should have mentioned this earlier; Sun's Muse is a strong and active supporter of independent filmmakers. It can often be difficult and quite expensive for independent producers and directors to acquire and pay for the music they need for their soundtrack. If anyone out there is looking for soundtrack music, please let us know ... Sun's Muse license or fee is ridiculously low.

Also listen on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpkOXAq7LYo&list=OLAK5uy_nRHiWHirBYpTnqibnUH7yxfkIuTjtSaMg

Thanks for responding guys. I had accidentally unchecked Big Time when I created the workspace you see in the screenshot and I'm now using that workspace most of the time. Problem solved.

Can someone explain what happened to Big Time in Sonar? It's supposed to be under the Views menu and is mentioned on three different pages of the Sonar Reference Guide (170, 199, and 1812), but I can't find it. Please see screenshot below.

Check out my post on October 10th. Data in the Time field above the track headers and in the Transport module need to be sharper and easier to read. These are areas that you read frequently as you work on a project.

I'm not an expert on the code for Windows, but isn't there a relationship between C++ Redistributables and Windows systems software? If so, would it be helpful to run the systems integrity check, sfc /scannow, every few months or before installing a Sonar update or is it totally unrelated to the redistributables problem?

My first post in the Song section, hope I get everything right. Music for the Dark Parlor is Sun's Muse' first album. They compose primarily ambient music, mostly electronic. I did the mixing and could be considered the producer. Here is the link: https://sunsmuse.hearnow.com The album is also available on CD. Please contact info@leonineproductions.net for more information. l

I enjoyed reading about everyone’s experiences with acoustic pianos. We have and continue to play our Steinway upright that is now about 54 years old. The original felt hammers and dampers are in very good condition, everything works, it still holds its tune, and I had to replace one string when it broke about forty years ago. I am not a good pianist and have never worked as a professional musician, but I love the sound of the instrument. Back in the seventies I had the opportunity to play a Steinway Concert D grand piano. The piano tuner at a local college music department was a friend of mine and after he had finished tuning the instrument for a recital to be held later that evening, he noticed me standing off to the side on the stage and said, “Why don’t you sit down and give it a whirl?” So I did. I didn’t have my sheet music with me so for about 20 minutes I played whatever I could remember—a little Debussy, some Rachmaninoff, a short piece by Scriabin, and a little jazz. It was incredible—not my playing--the sound of the Concert D. It was made for this stuff--think of the opening bars of Rachmaninoff’s 2nd Piano Concerto. When you play a grand piano, the fundamentals of the lower keys are much more prominent (owing to the longer strings used for these notes), and you feel these low frequencies through your fingers and arms, even through your feet as they rest on the floor. My impression was, WOW, this is a REAL piano, everything else I’ve played sounds like a toy. For those who like pianos but haven’t had a chance to play a concert grand, I hope you get the opportunity soon; it’s an extraordinary experience.