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Friends don't let friends buy Waves ? The PA and native SSL ones are really good and both keep providing free updates and you can use on multiple machines. I don't think you're missing out on anything with the Waves ones at all. They're OK, nothing really wrong with the sound quality and not better, just slightly different like how even PA is to native SSL. But the others don't have the same downsides as Waves.

No love from Softube for me.. but I did buy something from them the other day and a lot of these companies like to reward people that don't spend money with them, or leave (ISW), rather than rewarding loyalty.

I had to go through them all before buying as I knew it wasn't including everything, but there were quite a few very similarly named plugins (for someone not familiar with their stuff) so it took a little while to understand what it included, or more so didn't. I would've loved it to include Analog Studio Rack and 80s Spaces. I'm a sucker for reverbs! But it was a whole lot of bang for buck and lifetime free updates including updating to VST3 free when released sounded pretty good to me. There are some I'll likely never use, but there are some pretty decent ones in there that make it worth it.

No, that's one is not unfortunately.

There are almost more Waves "sales" than there are days in a year.. I would never feel rushed to make a snap decision for them.. if you miss the sale, in the long run you're probably better off for it anyway ?

You also only get two years of updates, so if you're not subscribed, or paying WUP again for the plugins you've already bought, then no updates. This affects Mac users more, as it's pretty common for a new OS from Apple to not be compatible, so you might want to upgrade your OS, or buy a new computer and if 2 years has passed since you bought Waves plugins, you're sweet out of luck unless you pay them again to use your plugins. It can affect Windows too, but less common, but if you have a problem and need tech support, after 2 years, they won't help you unless you pay WUP. Terrible policies and many other companies provide free updates and support for 5, 10 years+ There are so many better choices.

I wonder if this is due to go out of support shortly like they just did with their FET compressor. I won't at all be surprised if they do. Otherwise it's probably not a bad price.

Unless you have a previous Volume there is no longer any upgrade path regardless of what you own in terms of individual plugins unfortunately. So if you don't, then the price should be the same for everyone really apart from any VAT / taxes / currency.

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Do you know if any of them have been updated to VST3 yet? Their new reverb is, but this pack and from what I can gather the packs it's made up from seem to just say VST2. It wouldn't surprise me if they just haven't reflected it on their site etc, but I also wouldn't be surprised at no updates.

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Every single thing they do, or announce, just makes me so glad I held off on buying any more plugins from them. Until they fire their CEO and change their ways, or are sold, or taken over, I can't see any hope for them. I even somewhat wonder if this is the beginning of the end for them and too much brand damage and customer (as well as reseller) "Badwill" has been done. One of the very last advantages of Waves that people have enjoyed in the past, is that the plugins can be updated (with active WUP) and used in years to come to open old projects regardless of OS and DAW updates. I'm not so sure that's going to be a given anymore, as they might even go bust. They have certainly mastered the art of how to alienate customers and run a company into the ground.. Waves are one of the few cases where a VC buying them might actually be in the best interests of their customers ?

I think that covers a lot of it, but I will add: The CPU usage is higher, but from recent usage I'm not sure that actually matters unless you have a pretty insane amount of them in a project. This seems to be fine now really. My view on the analog emulations is a little different to you and Dan there. If I was going to try a Pultec on a particular track and then a Neve for example, they would be separate plugins I could A->B. Kirchhoff includes the A->B options and you can have multiple instances to A->B like separate plugins anyway. I'm less likely going to try and A->B advanced curves at the end of tweaking everything inside Kirchhoff, I'd normally pick one go with it and adjust to suit. Then choose B maybe, pick an emulation and adjust to suit then compare. The curves are sometimes so different, that having it retain the same frequency points often becomes irrelevant. Think of things like Pultec, Amek / Amethyst, Maag and hwo different they are even when setting the same frequencies. ProQ3 doesn't emulations at all, so easy win for me. Kirchhoff has relative mode which covers auto from my understanding, but I like being able to set the threshold, attack and release which to me, I wouldn't called advanced. Sure there are some great compressors where you can't, but most of the time I prefer being able to tweak those to suit and I don't like the Waves one knob series style. For me personally, easy win to Kirchhoff. The mix phase is a really interesting concept. I'm a little the same as you though, I'm not sure if I need that in real world situations, but pretty cool having it as an option within the one plugin. Maybe it's the perfect combination and best of both worlds, but who knows. I don't think there's necessarily a need for you to change to Kirchhoff. ProQ3 is still great, it's just that Kirchhoff can do all the same for a lot less money for anyone who doesn't have either. Dan's point about all the dynamic EQ part being able to to be done in FabFilter ProMB is true, but that's then another more expensive plugin making Kirchhoff even more attractive from a price perspective and considering they're pretty similar feature sets, Kirchhoff smashes FabFilter on the price (with voucher, or those on subscription, who have it anyway as their PA bundle or Forever29 etc) Sometimes I prefer using Kirchhoff purely for something different as it keeps the process a little more fresh and inspiring, sometimes I like ProQ3 because it's just what I know. There's no real bad choices here

Dan is really knowledgeable and has some brilliant videos but he definitely has some very wide misses and fails where he completely glosses over, or misses the crux of what he's reviewing, which it's hard to think isn't intentional. I will say I loved that he stated up front all of his bias and his long affiliation with FabFilter for anyone that wasn't already aware. Even by his own examples, he did mention in some situations there could be a difference in sound and I would've liked to see more focus on the dynamic EQ part from a sound perspective and how close they can be. You're absolutely right, he laboured any of the minor UI benefits of ProQ3 and then downplayed more significant advantages with Kirchhoff. On the plus side, I liked some of his suggestions for improvement and I wouldn't be surprised if some of those get added. Considering Kirchhoff is easily sub $50 with a loyalty voucher and they aren't that hard to come by, even based on his own biased review, ProQ3 is far from an easy sell now. Kirchhoff has everything it can do and more, so there's not much of a reason to spend double or more on ProQ3. His comments about stability were interesting.. I've never seen any issues like that with Kirchhoff ever, so I can't comment on that.. could be machine, or DAW specific or something. Paul and Dan now seem to try to focus more on clickbait and controversy as it drives views. That's completely fine, that's a core part of their business model and it works, but it does dilute their reviews more and more these days unfortunately. I still pick up a few interesting bits of info in them, but it's pretty transparent their motivations and drivers. Good callout on HoRNet Total EQ, that is a whole lot of bang for buck and having inbuilt saturation is something the others don't have. I actually still reach for it at times. I think it barely cost me the price of a cup of coffee from memory!

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Somebody should really tell MAAT that.. I always laugh even seeing their sale prices.. ? "thEQorange Perpetual License: $589" The price for the Weiss EQ is somewhat a bit of a joke too. Given the vouchers and PA pricing for Kirchhoff, I would likely not get ProQ3 by itself over it these days. I did get it in the mastering bundle though and that still might make it compelling on sale, as the others in the bundle are really good. ProL2 is easily better than any PA limiters. Some companies probably need to reassess the current market and how many top quality competitors and options there are for much less.

I just duplicated a track, added nine instances of ProQ3 on one of them, nine of Kirchhoff on the other and checked the CPU usage. Both stock default settings but then applied similar curves. ProQ3 track was 0.45%, Kirchhoff was around 0.8% so still not bad, but just shy of twice the CPU hit. When I first tried it, which was right before the PA version was released and then the PA version itself (which is where I noticed the CPU the most), dropping it into a heavy mastering session was very noticeable. I hadn't noticed the performance hit quite as much recently and now I'm thinking about it, I wonder if the PA version was optimized, or they previously had the oversampling enabled by default, or the 117-bit Ultra-High Precision enabled by default, whereas now they're both off. That could explain it too. I uninstalled the non PA version demo the other day, so I can't check now. Adding it to a project was similar hit to adding TOMO Audiolabs LISA from PA when they first released that as well (which I also really love). Adding ProQ3 into the same project made no impact at all.

Welcome Pseudo and if you have Kirchhoff already, definitely no need for ProQ3. The stock Frequency2 EQ in the latest Cubase is very good too and it's not uncommon for me to choose that over ProQ3 also so there can be some hidden gems. For a stock EQ it's amazing. ProQ3 is still a really good EQ. But there has been some more competition for it in that space. ProMB is my favourite workhorse multi band compressor though. I've got some analogue emulation multibands I really like, but the UI in ProMB is much better. I like the UI of their regular compressor and for a standard compressor it's not bad either. ProL2 is worth having and on some material it's just right, but I often get better results from the other limiters. FabFilter are still very decent, we're just insanely spoilt these days!

Mainly two reasons. CPU usage is lower with FF which is the biggest reason and a lot of track EQ is pretty basic so it gets the job done . It's also familiarity and in some of my templates. You can do everything with Kirchhoff though and it has more features like analog emulations and more control over the dynamic EQ than ProQ3 and Kirchhoff gets very surgical if you need it and sounds really good even with pretty extreme curves / cuts.

Same, I was more meaning with vouchers, i.e. with a $75 or $50 which are often floating around for free.

I have both and use ProQ3 for tracks, but this has replaced ProQ3 on busses, stereo buss and mastering, as well as bass and kick for me. No need to pay anywhere near $99 now it's with PA though. Up to $50 it's still easily worth it (and more really) , but should be able to get it cheaper like everything PA.