Teegarden

4 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

This is precisely the reason why we are very careful to change established operations in major editing views. While I may not like some operations personally (right click delete for one) there are many user for whom this is an important time saving operation. These were implemented decades ago at the request of power users to speed up editing. Windows conventions are good but not the solution to all problems.

I get the problem with muscle memory. However, by sticking to the original functions you also block an entire group of new users from quickly getting used to navigating CbB. My personal experience is that if you get a clear list of changes for a keyboard/mouse (you could attach a pdf to each new update with all shortcuts and an annex with changes from the old shortcuts, or put between brackets an old shortcut after the new one) it is not that hard to get used to the new functions and develop new muscle memory. Especially not in the case of "old" users that are already used to standard Windows functions for other purposes. 
My main problem with CbB is also the not always intuitive way functions work, which costs me more time than expected.

2 hours ago, bitflipper said:

Personally, I would never use any software tool that isn't crystal-clear as to exactly what it's doing and why, and (most important) logs what changes it has made and offers a convenient way to undo them.

This has been my policy since the first time I used a so-called "registry cleaner" 30 years ago that hosed my system. Newer utilities have become more sophisticated, but I still won't relinquish my authority to make such decisions myself, based on research and understanding. There is no substitute for doing your homework.

I fully agree. CCleaner is in that respect very transparent (in contrast to many other tools like that). The good thing of CCleaner is that everything you do you can fully tailor to your needs so you can be sure nothing that you want to keep will be deleted. 
CCleaner is handy to switch of processes that otherwise automatically start with Windows, but that you don't need in the background. Next to that CCleaner can take away a lot of junk files and you can tell it where it has to look for junk and check what will be deleted and what not (see it as a significantly enhanced Recycle Bin).
My experience with very slow running older computers from others that regularly ask for PC help is that after some Windows tweaking and especially running several tasks of CCleaner these systems were suddenly usable again. There appeared to be many files spread over the HD that could have been deleted a long time ago. I guess with the latest Windows and new PCs these problems will be much less thanks to improved software and hardware developments. 
However, I personally do use it for many years also for cleaning the registry. Many unused items are left behind that have no function so I like to get rid of them. You can see exactly what will be deleted before you execute CCleaner, so its easy to see what you want to keep and what is absolutely safe to delete. I do however understand that many people are afraid that registry cleaners might do more harm than good. I know what I'm doing and have never had any problem that I could somehow relate to deleted registry entries, but others might want to stay away from that..

Good advice bitflipper, everyone interested in doing something with the registry and in tuning his PC should certainly try to understand it first by doing his homework.
 

2 hours ago, Per Westin said:

O&OSU10 + CCleaner (with CCEnhancer) is what I use along with tweaking services according to these guides:
BlackViper (also has Services Explained) and (partly Windows) Tweakhound , as always if you´re not sure if what happens if you turn off service "xyz" - don´t, or at least turn off one service at a time so if there´s a problem you know which tweak caused it.

From memory I think I tweaked according to Blackviper´s "Tweaked for Desktop" last time I reinstalled W10 about 3 years ago, no problems so far.

Back when Vista was new Tweakhound´s tweaks turned my Core2Duo laptop from barely internetable to recording 16 tracks (soundcards limit) and handling at least 30 tracks in Sonar.
Does O&OSU10 affect DAW or plugins?
Not directly, but it can keep your computer safe from mistakes or not so good for DAW:s MS-updates.

Nice to see you also have good experience with those. I also always use Blackviper's advice and settings en CCEnhancer makes CCleaner's Recycle Bin function even better. I'm going to check out Tweakhound, never used that one before.

Hi Neil,
ShutUp10 is not supposed to have any effect on the DAW or plugin functionality.
For an older system it might just make the difference you need. It is a long list of options that can be deactivated so I guess it's certainly worth using ShutUp10. It does not run in the background, it just deactivates many options and when you close ShutUp10, it does not stay in the background. Al it does is take just over 1 MB of disk space. 
I understand you can't upgrade much more, but if you have the possibility try to get the maximum amount of RAM. 

I would never use bloatware (if you refer to pre-installed software that comes from third parties without you asking for it). According to Computerworld (article is from 2015 so slightly dated), Signature PCs from Microsoft are free of third-party software and supposedly start up 104% faster, shut down 35% faster and have 28 minutes more battery life than the same laptops with bloatware. Computerworld also gives directions how to get rid of bloatware.
Logically every additional process that runs on your computer will consume a tiny bit or more of your processing power. Today's PCs are fast enough to handle many background processes, so I wonder if stopping them makes a lot of difference (never took the time to measure possible differences). However, I like to have as much power available for my DAW so I eliminate every possible process that I don't really need.

O&O ShutUp10 is a program that I use to stop as many MS processes as possible the only things I leave are the Windows Update settings where they state Recommended: "limited"or "no"
If your serious using this program you will need to check for updates after each windows update and run that latest version again: Windows regularly switches back on settings that were switched of and keeps adding new features that run in the background.

Another program useful for eliminating background tasks and processes (and also for deleting junk files etc.) that I run regularly is CCleaner: under Tools-> startup you can find several tabs with options to prevent software from running automatically in the background. 


Cheers

Hi, I always build my own DAW systems, keeping in mind that I also want to be able to work on them and do photo/video editing. Always a large quality desktop case with good airflow and place for everything I might want to build in.
Checking a few websites with the most recent info helps a lot. If you search for custom DAW or build your own pc you'll find plenty of information. Hardware site forums also usually have dedicated threats.  Here are some sites:

https://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/build-pc-music-production-audio-daw

https://www.tomshardware.com/topics/pc-builds

https://www.scanproaudio.info/2020/02/27/2020-q1-cpus-in-the-studio-overview/

Having had Intel for years, AMD is currently my favorite for several reasons. With most configurations you'll get more for your money and they have PCIe 4.0 on board, which gives you a much higher data transfer rate with SSDs (and your video card). Yes, Intel has in some cases higher single core speed, but with my 1950X Threadripper (which is already a few generations old) I've never experienced any problems in that respect with large demanding audio projects in CbB. The benefit of having many cores at relatively high speed is not neglectable. Windows 10 keeps also improving multi-core support under the hood, so that will probably only become better. 

If you go for such a system make sure you've got high speed quality RAM (minimum 3200 MHz, the best for AMD seems to be somewhere around 3600 MHz, but that could change with newer systems) and if the price is not too much try to get at least 32 or 64 GB of it.  These systems are also relatively easy to overclock, but I would not start with that. Basic configurations are fast enough these days.

Try to have a fast PCIe SSD as startup disk (0,5 to 2 TB) on which you also have your CbB projects. Next to that a large PCIe SSD with your audio libraries and if needed a normal 8 or 10 TB HD for backups etc. Of course everything depends on your budget and storage needs. Since larger SSDs are finally slowly entering the market that might be the ultimate way to go. 

You can scale down on all these components and still have a nice working DAW PC. There are people around that have 8 or 10 your old configurations and are still productive with it. 
For the rest I fully agree with Colin Nicholls.

You can do it yourself, or go to dedicated PC builders and ask them to put your favorite components together.  Don't forget to optimise the BIOS and Windows settings for DAW use (like switching off power management in USB ports , set Windows to high performance etc.). There are many sites including this one where you'll find how to do that. If needed, I could compile a full list with all the information that I've gathered over time about DAW optimisation.

Good luck!

Thanks, I don't have this library but I'm going to study it and see how you've constructed an orchestral template. Very useful as a start for other orchestras as well I hope!

15 hours ago, Max Arwood said:

Teegarden

1)One time I have seen these messages I had moved some plugins to organize them.  2)The other time was when I updated some plugins and did not choose the same directory it was originally installed in. 

*2 would show the plugin in the plugin manager as correct, but in the project it would be pointing to the invalid older version.

 

Max Arwood

 

Thanks. It could be that I've updated the plugins and it happened afterwards, I also organised the plugins in different directories. 
I would expect CbB to be able to keep referring to the right plugin when moved or updated (in case of small updates). Maybe something that can be improved?

3 hours ago, S K said:

HIdden tracks?  No all I have is a simple vocal, harmony vocal and piano.  Very barebones at the moment.   I don't see how a track could become hidden, but I will check when I get home.   Unless you mean take lanes?  But I don't believe I had any comping take lanes on this.    

That reminds me actually, I've had awful problems with take lanes too - trying to choose a certain take lane but it plays anotehr one, then doubles up etc.. nightmare.

Hmm yeah this is all very barebones at the moment, no sends, no aux, no extra buses, nothing. so I doubt there is this issue but I will have a look at it again.

It was a wild guess, sometimes I accidentally (de)activate a certain function  which leads to unforeseen issues (although in my example I had those tracks hidden once on purpose and forgotten about it). 
Anyway, I meant anything that can be hidden/out of sight, including take lanes

Regarding take lanes: maybe experimenting with Recording Mode settings in Preferences. I use Sound on Sound instead of Comping. Maybe that would fit your workflow better if you had comping mode selected so far
(Btw, I just noticed that this selection is saved per project, not as standard setting in CbB: preferences without my standard project template loaded showed Comping selected)

Hi, 

This was my first post, put in in Q&A but I suddenly remembered that the problem described below also happened a few weeks ago (I forgot with which plugins) after I had CbB 2020.04  installed. Before that update I never had this kind of problem, so maybe it is related to the last official release.

I made a standard project template with many plugins pre-inserted (all deactivated, not consuming CPU at the start) and busses. So far, each time I opened the template all worked well. Since I've updated CbB the template worked well most of the time except for the following error that I got after a few days and also again last week: 

The following plugins are referred to by this project but could not be found:

FabFilter Pro-R (Bus: 'R-ambie')
FabFilter Pro-R (Bus: 'R-plate')
FabFilter Pro-R (Bus: 'R-hall')
Expurgate (Bus: 'FX-gate')
FabFilter Pro-C 2 (Bus: 'DR-SQSH')

The plugins are greyed out and when clicked upon I get the following text:

Cakewalk Missing Plug-In Stand-In
This plug-in is missing or improperly installed on your system.
The original plug-in state is saved by this stand-in, and will be restored if you save the project and subsequently load it on a system where the plug-in is properly installed.
Plug-In data (bytes): 456

However,...I can find the Fabfilter plugins in the plug-in manager and in the Audio FX menu and insert them on the same bus where the greyed out instance of the same plugin sits. That works well, but then I've got one not working instance greyed out (with my favorite plugin settings...) and a new one working but without my predefined favorite start settings...
The Expurgate plugin seems to have vanished? So, I guess I'll need to reinstall.

For the rest all seems to work as expected.

I have the following questions:

1. Does anybody have an idea what happened, is this possibly related to the latest CbB update or is there another idea what could be at the root of this problem?
2. Is there a way to redirect the new instance of the same plugin to the settings of the greyed out plugin?
3. Is there a way to backup plugin settings in a template (or project file) so that I don't have to redo the settings each time this kind of problem happens
4. I also noticed in the past that when you update certain plugins, they are not always recognised as an update of an existing plugin that is used in a project, so all settings are lost. Is there a way to prevent this?
5. Can I move a topic posted in the wrong place from one forum part e.g. Q&A to another e.g. Feedback? I tried to find guide lines how the forum works but didn't find it (probably overlooked)

For the rest, it's impressive how CbB has improved over time, I hope that the audio magazines and websites will start including it in tests with the main paid DAWs like Pro Tools and Cubase. I'm convinced it should come out at least as good... Thanks for developing such great flexible, professional and free DAW!


System specs:
Windows 10 64bit with all latest updates (incl. runtime redistributables etc.) except for the big Win 10 May 2020 update (according to Will_Kaydo that seems to introduce new problems)
AMD Threadripper 1950X
32Gb 3200 MHz
RME HDSPe AIO
GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (audio, telemetry etc disabled)
Separate SSDs for programs and sound libraries
Thread scheduling model 2
Optimised all possible audio workstation settings I could find (processor throttling and dynamic frequency scaling, high performance, wireless connections, wake up timers and so on)
All software and drivers up to date

Did you check if there are no hidden tracks? I once had a similar situation with a track that was hidden and I tried all kinds of things, deleting tracks etc. It made me crazy. In the end I used the "Show all tracks" option and found the problem.

In the reference guide you can find different options to hide/show tracks, busses etc.

Just another wild guess: maybe the project somehow triggers Melodyne externally if you also have a stand alone version installed next to the Sonar integration, or Melodyne is triggered by another plugin or track through routing?

You can also download the installer of All in One Runtimes at sereby.org: 

https://sereby.org/download/All%20in%20One%20Runtimes

It contains the following (each item can be selected/deselected before install and is regularly updated):

• .NET Framework 4.8 + Updates
• Java Runtime Environment 8
• DirectX 9.0c Extra files
• General runtime files
• Microsoft Visual C++ Runtimes (v2005 - v2019)
• Microsoft Visual J# 2.0 SE
• Microsoft Silverlight 5
• Adobe Flash Player (Opera, FireFox, Internet Explorer)
• Shockwave Player 12 (Internet Explorer Plugin)

I made a standard project template with many plugins and busses . So far, each time I opened the template all worked well. I'm not sure if it is related to the latest CbB 2020.04 update, but since I've updated the template worked well a few times but today suddenly I got the following error: 

The following plugins are referred to by this project but could not be found:

FabFilter Pro-R (Bus: 'R-ambie')
FabFilter Pro-R (Bus: 'R-plate')
FabFilter Pro-R (Bus: 'R-hall')
Expurgate (Bus: 'FX-gate')
FabFilter Pro-C 2 (Bus: 'DR-SQSH')

The plugins are greyed out and when clicked upon I get the following text:

Cakewalk Missing Plug-In Stand-In
This plug-in is missing or improperly installed on your system.
The original plug-in state is saved by this stand-in, and will be restored if you save the project and subsequently load it on a system where the plug-in is properly installed.
Plug-In data (bytes): 456

However,...I can find the Fabfilter plugins in the plug-in manager and in the Audio FX menu and insert them on the same bus where the greyed out instance of the same plugin sits. That works well, but then I've got one not working instance greyed out (with my favorite plugin settings...) and a new one working but without my predefined favorite start settings...
The Expurgate plugin seems to have vanished? So, I guess i'll need to reinstall.

For the rest all seems to work as expected.

I have the following questions:
1. Does anybody have an idea what happened, is this possibly related to the latest CbB update or is there another idea what could be at the root of this problem?
2. Is there a way to redirect the new instance of the same plugin to the settings of the greyed out plugin?
3. Is there a way to backup plugin settings in a template (or project file) so that I don't have to redo the settings each time this kind of problem happens
4. I also noticed in the past that when you update certain plugins, they are not always recognised as an update of an existing plugin that is used in a project, so all settings are lost. Is there a way to prevent this?
 

For the rest, it's impressive how CbB has improved over time, I hope that the audio magazines and websites will start giving it an honest comparison with the main paid DAWs like Pro Tools and Cubase. I'm convinced it should come out at least just as good... Bakers, thanks for developing such great flexible, professional and free DAW!


System specs:
Windows 10 64bit with all latest updates (incl. runtime redistributables etc.) except for the big May 2020 update (according to Will_Kaydo that seems to introduce new problems)
AMD Threadripper 1950X
32Gb 3200 MHz
RME HDSPe AIO
GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (audio, telemetry etc disabled)
Separate SSDs for programs and sound libraries
Thread scheduling model 2
Optimised all possible audio workstation settings I could find (processor throttling and dynamic frequency scaling, high performance, wireless connections and so on)
All software and drivers up to date