Keni

Yeah!

That was easy this time.

I finally got someone both comfortable enough with pc workings and with a decent hotspot connection and the job was fixed in a flash!

Connected pc to hotspot

Downloaded and ran the latest EA

CbB activated immediately and he's back in the groove!

Thanks to all for the pointers and thoughts!

1 hour ago, John Vere said:

So you didn’t read the other 3 threads on the topic that right now are at the top?   This is all getting a bit ridiculous 😐

Sorry, I didn’t see them as my priorities are currently elsewhere. I’m trying to solve this issue for a non-tech, no internet friend across the country from me.

I will look for them now.

Thanks.

50 minutes ago, gustabo said:

Install the Early Access release
 

 

Thanks again Gustabo...

Nice to have the Sonar ad gone!

I'll have to see about getting someone in Florida to do the update for my friend. Nice to see the offline activation finally returned. That may help too...

I guess changes made to impliment this coming update may be the cause of his problem.... somehow?

I should have tried opening CbB before running the update to see if the same was true on my system as his? Too late now!

Wait! I just remembered I have it installed on my older machine as well.... off to look!

Nope... All was well with my other CbB install. I have updated that to the EA as well... So I'm still trying to understand what's going on with my friend's machine. Half open and useless for him at the moment...

4 minutes ago, gustabo said:

Install the Early Access release
 

 

Thanks... I didn't even know there is one.

My problem (as mentioned in OP is that my friend is both incapable of doing such and doesn't have internet (not even a smart phone) so it becomes involved gettting someone to visit him and use a hotspot to handle his internet needs. I will consider it, but it has been working fine until today, so I don't think it's the build, but I will download the EA for myself to check it out anyway. Thanks for the heads up.

Maybe something changed behind the scenes on the server side? Still shouldn't affect the opening of the program.

Has anyone run into this?

I have a friend who is stuck with this problem. I've had him close it using Task Manager and re-boot as well but when he opens CbB it only opens covering part of the screen and is frozen with the Sonar ad and nothing working.

The only thing I can think to do would be to re-install CbB but that's very difficult in this situation as my friend is both pc UNsaavy and has no internet. I would go over, but he's in Florida and I'm in California. My other friend local to him in Florida who has been handling his machine and updates is in the hospital so he can't help.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated...

Thanks!

1 hour ago, Milton Sica said:

Yes. 

I think that is a plugin problem into this project. Because if i turn off all plugins is working. I need going isolate the plugins one-by-one to identify the problematic.

Melodyne is a special case as it was the original reason for ARA being added to CbB.. You'd know if you installed it as it’s a more unique install.

Sonar came bundled with a special light version for a spell back in the Gibson days. It’s an excellent device, but pricey. I believe the flagship version Studio is $600 (or is it $700?) with 2 or 3 lighter/cheaper versions and upgrade paths from any version up.

58 minutes ago, Milton Sica said:

Melodyne Region - This is new to me. When i made a melodyne region the daw silence all audio.
Tip to solution ?

Do you have Melodyne installed?

5 minutes ago, kinen_papico said:

I was not planning on updating to 1.2. But, when I bought Mariana, it was tied to the hardware, so it became pointless to cling to the iLok, so I gave up and went for 1.2.

Here's hoping that one day soon, someone will come up with better means of handling these issues. The current paradigm is a mess!

2 hours ago, TheSteven said:

Is that even an issue? 
Last I checked I've got iLok plugins working from companies that died years ago.
Could just be that company no longer has access to new iLok registration codes.  
Details would be in the developers iLok licensing agreement but I have neither the desire or patience to dig it up and read it.  
 

That sounds fine by me! I plan on leaving it until it  (or I) dies! 😉

So I guess that's a benefit of the iLok... It maintains the license beyond the manufacturer once in place... Good to know (believe?)

52 minutes ago, Bajan Blue said:

Wish I had read this post first🥲

Installed the update 1.2 - none of the plug ins would load after installation, with an error notice of not installed properly.

Thought download might have corrupted, so went back to the Moog site and saw there was an update to 1.22

Downloaded this, installed - that didn't work either.

So I uninstalled all the plug ins, reloaded 1.07

Now all back working again, although you do get the notice when you open them, that there is an update available - I would not load that update

Nigel

 

Thanks for confirming my suspicion... I was fortunate that being recently burned, I was not ready to chance something working fine for potential problems and avoided the update.

Happily still working but for how long until they stop paying the license fee for the iLok version???

17 minutes ago, bitman said:

When editing midi in the piano roll, I deleted a note, then hit ctrl-z to bring it back. This undos the edit but not after a spinning circle of delay of about 3 to 5 seonds. - every time.

Yes... I’ve been experiencing sluggish response often as well. Haven’t figured out why as this didn’t happen before. Almost like the intermittency of Internet action responses.

Like what’s going on starting the program (empty).

It used to take near 7 seconds regularly.

Now it's more like 15, somerimes 30 and even ~54 seconds before the Sonar splash disappears and the program active.

8 minutes ago, shane said:

Update after a few weeks of VST2 vs. VST3: Seems like VST3 versions are ok AS LONG AS YOU DON'T AUTOMATE PARAMETERS.

With this automation, dropouts and Late Buffers are constant. 

Freezing the audio cures the issue(s)

Interesting observation, but often for me I don't know if I'm going to need automation until long after adding the effect

18 minutes ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

If all else fails, I'd try to re-create the project using your existing audio & midi clips.

Big ouch!

Luckily not necessary. Though it was painful while I was working, I didn't report this until after I'm essentially finished with my MIDI work on this song other than any necessary tweaks at final mix. So I really don't "need" to solve this to work, only to understand why it's happenning and how I might avoid it happening again...

So I may do a quickie version of this idea starting a new project (empty) importing all tracks as frozen audio except loading a new instance of the VSampler I've been using for the testing and then copy the MIDI track for that one (after removing all the meter change info)

2 hours ago, David Baay said:

Try toggling the audio engine off by the button in the transport module. If the problem persists, it's not load-related. With all the other tracks frozen, it shouldn't be RAM-related, either. I would sooner suspect  some issue with the interoperability of the CW with your video driver. Have you added/updated any hardware/software/firmware/drivers  around the time this happened? If it's only this one project, try to identify anything unusual about it, and maybe start stripping down a copy of it.

Thanks for the confirmation David. Exactly my thinking.

I took it all the way down to only the single plugin in a quick test and it is still problematic.

Next going to remove all meter changes, save, reopen

then remove all other tracks as well. Repeat close open

I'll report asap

5 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

Sure, just goto View > Meter/Key

But I doubt this is the cause of yout problem

Just tried a quick test deleting the meter changes without saving etc. No diff there but I'll do a full test in a while when I'm not multi-tasking others' problems simultaneously...

5 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

Sure, just goto View > Meter/Key

But I doubt this is the cause of yout problem

We will see some time today.

Thanks for the pointer. I'm surprised I didn'[t think to look there but that's exactly what I was looking for. I remember it but couldn't remember where!

I'll review it as well as test removing all the meter changes and report back...

33 minutes ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

Do a "save as" to a new location. Make sure "copy audio with project" is checked

Same problem? Ok, delete all your meter/key changes and report back

will try asap... something came up requiring my attention

1 hour ago, David Baay said:

I'm pretty sure GUI Throttle Mode (a.k.a. CPU Conservation Mode) activated by Pause is not the issue here. It's only active during playback, reducing UI updates (mainly meters, Now counter and Now cursor motion) to approximately once per second. If you were to try moving notes in the PRV during playback (which I'm guessing is not the case here), there would be that slight delay in the UI update but not "many seconds of the screen slowly flashing and re-adjusting itself trying to get to it's goal" as described.

 

Thanks David...

I don't think so either. Especially seeing that so far it's impossible to find the pause key on my system due to mac/pc differences as well as keyboard brand unusualness..

I'm more convinced than ever that it's related to the meter changes as I can see how the PRV would need to interpret such.

I removed all tracks except for the vsampler midi/audio tracks and bypassed all remaining fx.... The problem still persists.

In none of my other project using this VSampler plugin with the same bass loaded including projects with nearly identical instrumentation brands/models

If this is the case I can easily live with it for now as I've already weathered the tedious editing for this song and all that remains are vocals with a guitar solo.... No more midi work planned and I rarely do such meter mapping... 😉

1 hour ago, John Vere said:

At the top of the track inspector is where you find the different views for it like pro channel, arranger and the tempo. It’s a metronome icon 

Thanks, but no. That's the tempo track and displays tempo changes. These are not tempo changes. The tempo remains the same but the song changes from 3/4 to 4/4 and even to 1/4 3 times! 😉

It's the number of beats in a measure...

4 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

Ok, let's try a different approach.

What happens if you bypass all Fx in the control bar?

Thanks Jonesey...

I'll try that in a little while. Just finished breakfast.

i did try removing all tracks except the superior drummer and the vsampler used in all this.

Problem still the same after save/close/reopen...

A thought just came to me though. One possibly very significant item.

This song has a number of meter changes! Maybe that or the crazy editing I did to figure out and map thr meter changes as the song evolved. Good possibility that either having such a map, or the sloppy way it was implemented? That’s really sounding plausible now?

Maybe I’m not remembering, but is there any place to see an overview of the meter changes?

55 minutes ago, OutrageProductions said:

I'm not knocking it. Bootcamp works fairly well most of the time. I spent 22 years from Apple System 1 (1984) through Mac OS 9 running a large Macintosh network in studios. For personal reasons (and I got my MSEE using WinTel machines) I will never touch an Apple product again. 

Silly questions; have you cold booted the machine?

Does it happen on every project? 

Single monitor?

I getcha. I’m not a mac fan either though as a computer tech I’ve done support/repairs/installs fir a few companies including supporting pg&e and pac bell. So I had to be fluent in each.

But I was gifted these powerhouse (each of them cost my friend over $10k new) it was impossible to refuse.

 I have become far below poverty level (government assessment) these days. Made it a really easy decision. I couldn’t come close to this power myself. Only downside on the trashcan is the lack of multi-drive internal setup, so I do occasionally feel the drag running anything from the USB3 external. The thunderbolt 2 drives are a smidgen better, hut nothing to write home about. Trashcan... very appropriate for more than it’s appearance as they created a dead end flagship in this machine. I love the prior dual xeon 6 core processors @3.06 in a normal mac pro tower with 4 internal ssd's... A screamer but had me trapoed at win8.1 which I didn’t mind until I couldn’t get new software running that required win10.

Now I’m trapped at win10! 🎃

3 minutes ago, OutrageProductions said:

Well, if you're running CbB in a VM/OS on a Mac, I can't help you.

Thanks for trying... I've been doing this for a couple of machines dating back to the Sonar days and though everyone always is shy thinking it has issues due to this, I haven't discovered any one difference. Bootcamp supplies the DOS boot table and it's running on intel... When it's open as windows (the only way I use it) it is a windows machine... Period... Now the keyboard? That's always been a bit of a pain...

1 hour ago, sjoens said:

When you removed them from the project, did you save-as, close CbB, and reopen?

Also, looks like there's no Pause key... or Print key on your keyboard, but they may be assigned to F14 & F15 as on mine.

Thanks... I just tried this and again, no change.... The PRV has a couple of seconds delay to any action I do and is "jumpy"

Just now, OutrageProductions said:

It's possible that you accidentally tapped F14 or F15.

Just tried it... No change

Nope function keys F13/14/15 do nothing...

29 minutes ago, OutrageProductions said:

IEEE standards for function keys is

13=PrintScreen/SysReq

14=Scroll Lock

15=Pause/Break

Unless you're on a pre-2006 Macintosh or Unix/VT100 Terminal [DOS], in which case F13-F24 are assignable. (Altho F13 on Mac is still SysReq).

Thanks... No, this is a 2013 Mac Pro "Trashcan" but the keyboard is a macally, not an official apple...

I'm gonna try the function keys in a moment...

Nope function keys F13/14/15 do nothing...