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Time to call it a night. Once again sorry.

I should post though that it was a stereo\mono whatever issue. Input 3 has my ACTUAL recording mic input and output so 4 was not available in drop down menu, 3 was of course.

I moved the test\monitor OM7 mic to input 7 on 18i20 an routed to mixer accordingly and all is fine.

So much to learn about this 18i20............

So after over a decade of Echo Layla 3G I bought a Focusrite 18i20. Things were\are going along fine until I plugged  a spare mic (Audix OM7) into INPUT 4 of the 18i20. 

Then ran output 4 to a small mixer . I have been using a mixer for monitoring in small home studio for many, many years. Not the same mixer of course.

So I can sit and record guitar, playback projects midi and audio. I can ALSO sing thru OM7 and all sounds ok. 

BUT, INPUT 4 is NOT even shown as an option in CW input drop down menu for recording????? Just really use OM7 for testing how I sound, etc.

In Focusrite control panel input and output of channel 4 are set the same as my guitar(which records and monitors perfectly.  Analogue 4 in input settings and output, same as guitar.

Volume is turned up on 18i20, etc.  Hoping it is just something stupid I have or am doing! I am using directrouting. So it is sending out the signal to my mixer for monitoring fine, so I would assume the input is working actually. Frustrated.

Could the input be bad?

Thanks

OK. I was hesitant to uninstall\reinstall the Echo because of the PCi express adapter card that it uses to convert from PCI. Thought I might have to open up the PC (it's under a table and not easy access for this old guy anymore) and remove both cards, install the adapter card first, reboot and then install the Echo PIC card on top of it (that was the original install proecedure)

Anyway, I removed and reinstalled (not physically) and now it's OK?

I am very sorry for the long winded crap. Was very frustrated.

Thanks and yes I should have tried that right away. once again sorry!

OK-

It's any and all projects-Mostly 15-25 tracks. Some audio only, some VSTS and midi. Nothing, I mean nothing is clipping. even the mixer.

AI is Echo Layla 3G. It is a PCI card type and with my last PC build (2 or 3 years ago) I had NO PCI slot so a guy on the forum (Stickman?) told me about a PCI to PCI express adapter. It has worked flawlessly for that time. I have 3 Mackie HR624 mkII's to mains from ixer and 2 Yamaha DXR10's from Control room mix. All have the volumes set to defaults on each (LOW). I would have to change each one of the 4 one at a time for this to happen. I never touch them and the controls are on the backs. 
The interface for the echo also shows NO CLIPPING. 
Guess it is the Echo.

The ONLY thing that happened was this: Weird if your interested: tried to install a start\stop transcribe type program that uses a USB footswitch to activate some keyboard strokes (like spacebar, etc.

I couldn't get it installed. windows did not like it. here is the kicker, when I opened cakewalk the message came up about NO audio interface? so this software , even though windows blocked it did something bad.

I have sice uninstalled the pieces of it and even did a system restore back to 2 days before the incident. Opened CW and all was fine as far as AI . 

BTW, this software is not malware or crap. It is used by the CIA, FBI and many medical facilties-mainly for transribing stuff. I guess so they can do stuff and avoid repetitive motion syndrome or because it's quicker. Anyway that's the deal and I know I can turn down all monitors but they would need to be near ZERO. Never was that way.

Anyway thanks for responding....I stated in my original post I would try my Roland octacapture in place of the Echo, but have not had a chance yet.

Output of all audio, be it midi\vsts\audio only etc is ridiculously HIGH. 

Just wondering if anyone has any idea what could cause this? As I stated before I suspect Audio interface issue and Win 10. Old AI but never had any issues.

Various active monitors and 2 Yamaha DXR10's. All set to normal as far as output. NEVER changed ever.  But now I cannot get past 1 (1-10) on my mixer I use for monitoring. Normally I was at unity gain on all faders?

Sorry to repeat just looking for some help. I am lost.

Sorry, much too vague , I get it.  I will try my Roland Octa capture, which is collecting dust on a shelf in a box.....

First, this may NOT be CW, but I believe it has happened to me before but I cannot remember what it was. The volume of all projects, midi or audio are so loud it's insane.

I use an external mixer to monitor when I write or record or play in my home studio. I have done things this way forever (3 decades?) WITH CW.
Just asking if I  (or win 10) could have changed something in CW and if so, what to look for? I am at the newest version of both win 10x64 and CWbyBL. 
Echo Layla 3G, which I guess is a possible culprit. Monitors(mackies and also Yamaha DXR10's  have NOT changed at all, volume wise. 

Sorry to be so vague. System did an Auto sys restore point on May 20th. I tried unsuccessfully to roll back to it, even in safe mode. Anyway, thanks for ANY suggestions. 
I am leaning towards Echo Layla 3G. I did try professional\consumer mode with Echo, which I assume is the +4\-10, made NO diff.

So, it worked on the original midi file with TTS-1 set as only Synth. The issue is with the CWP file. Drums ar set to EZ drummer 2. So I went back and changed the drums output in the CWP file to TTS-1. But it does the same thing. Sometimes it gets one track, like the kick, or the 2 tracks, kick and snare but that's it? Very strange.

went back to midi file and it works there.???? I do not remember a CWP file having anything to do with split notes to tracks. midi Notes are midi notes?

EDIT: So for some reason it just does NOT work on this certain CWP project? weird. Works on others though. So, oh well I guess. Just an old song I was asked to do at a wedding-one man band type thing. end of edit.

So I have used this for years. Has it stopped working?

In the past I only had to add ONE MIDI TRACK so I could select it as "First Destination Track" and CW would just do the rest. I always use this on drum tracks.

Cannot get it to work?

EDIT: figured I better try adding like 20 midi tracks to see if that helped. It didn't. 

So, after decades I decided to see if I could add lyrics to my midi files and have them play like a Karaoke file-IOW, lyrics\bars stay in time with music. 
I can add lyrics in lyric view but read I had to add them in Staff view. Go confused. Still confused.

Any videos on how to do this or does CW not have this capability? Which would be understandable...................

hope this makes sense.

Thanks as always!

So, anyone having issues? I cannot tell yet where the issue is but the last win 10 update, for me, was installed on April 1st, heck of a day to do that!

Just intermittent stuff, like slow app (CW) response, stuff like that.  Definitely new for me. 
Specs are not the greatest but I believe they are solid. Very solid build.

Device name   Asus- Prime Z370-A    Processor          Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz   3.20 GHz

Installed RAM 32.0 GB     GeForce GTX 1650 6GB

System type     64-bit operating system, x64-based processor

Edition  Windows 10 Pro Version   20H2

Installed on     ‎4/‎1/‎2021  OS build 19042.867Experience       Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.551.0

Curious, I know it could be something else and I wish I could explain it better.

But I have not used CW since the update until tonight

Thanks

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On 3/27/2021 at 1:35 AM, scook said:

Deselect all the MIDI output devices in preferences

Duh! Thanks Scook......................

Don't know what I did but now I don't remember how to get it back. I did search, btw. Couldn't find it.

Use to open a midi file and TTS-1 would automatically be the midi player. Duh!

Sorry for the old question. Old minds think alike?

Just wanted to report back. I am just thrilled at how well this little keyboard works. Recording bass lines, some right hand keyboard parts and drum tracks using my VSTS is just so easy. Thanks again guys!

Thanks BF and number guy. Great news because, as stated , full size keys yet small and compact.  

I have one of these somewhere in storage. Before I go hunt for it I wanted to save myself any headaches. 
It is in perfect condition-never used actually.  All I want to do is input bass lines and maybe drum beats. 

Is USB1.1 oK for this and will it work with Win 10x64 nd CWbyBL? If not I will buy another but I do not want to control Cw, just do what I mentioned-maybe playing VSTS to do it?

It is small with full size keys and very compact.

Thanks

Thanks Glenn and John. Appreciate it very much.....Now I'll get to work.

Not sure if this is possible-I mean "fast". I have a 12 song set of someone I like a lot. I imagine I can split it into separate songs one at a time. Is there a way in CW or even Sound forge 11 to do this quickly? Or CD architect?

Thanks Folks

I still have Sonar Plat and X3 installed. I have since the beginning of CwbyBL....................

On 9/25/2020 at 3:09 PM, twelvetone said:

On the other hand the manufacturer of a VST may stop supporting it or go out of business,

the next DAW version may stop supporting VST2 / 32bit / whatever,

a windows update may confilct with something in your VST...

But your Yamaha will always be there (barring technical failure)

 

True, but the Yamaha will also "always" sound the same and have the "same" issues it has now. I still have my Edirol SC88VL in my rack and do use it sometimes for a a quick playback, but not very often

I also will never sell it.....😀

13 hours ago, Craig Anderton said:

You may want to use the version for Bass instead, although I found it less reliable than the Guitar version, for some reason. I'd be interested in your experiences, I did some pretty extensive experimentation with it but ultimately, found it needed too much cleaning up to be fun. You might find Melodyne's pitch-to-MIDI conversion is all you need for doing bass lines. 

Hi Craig,

I had it working a couple of times, other times, without changing a thing, it didn't work.

But when it did, it did not track well for me. I was only playing bass lines, simple ones-to learn the app. I used a pick so notes would be clearer.

Just doesn't track well here anyway. Maybe it's me? I only have the free trail and the constant interruption where you have to click Buy or Continue may be a part of the issue. Pretty bad demo imho. I tried mono, poly, etc, etc. 
Even though I own Melodyne 4 Editor full version, I am not familiar with it. I bought it on a whim way back when and just kept upgrading, figuring one day I would use it.

Thanks for the input

Hey Scook...........DUH....Found it all, seriously tired. I will start fresh tomorrow-looks very promising

37 minutes ago, scook said:

IIRC, the demo is standalone only. (I guess this has changed over the years) The full version also has a VST plug-in.

The standalone will give you an idea of how responsive the software is to guitar and it will load synths so you can hear how it plays.

To use the VST -

• Add MIDI Guitar 2 VST to the guitar track's FX rack,
• set "Enable MIDI output" on (see image below) and input echo on
• add a synth to the project using either an instrument or audio+MIDI pair and choose a preset
• set the instrument or MIDI track input to MIDI Guitar 2 and enable input echo
• play guitar

 

Guess I have some reading to do.  I cannot get the menu to enable midi output with the midi guitar 2 vst. Also as far as the VSt, its not really a free trial, well it is but severely limited -interrupts you very quickly with the buy now window or continue. Pain really. I'll keep looking. 

Scook I know where enable midi output is in the properties window of the vsts, but I don't have that window. Dumb, I know.

17 minutes ago, scook said:

Try MIDI Guitar 2 by Jam Origin

 

 

So it looks cool and is certainly inexpensive, especially since it's polyphonic. Guess I need to read the docs becaus I want to record the midi IN CW, not import it or anything.

Thanks as always Scook

EDIT: So, I downloaded the free trail and it installs as a stand alone app & a x64 VST-That's great!

So, I don't have or want a bass guitar, but would like to use my electric guitars to record midi bass lines, later to be rendered to audio.
I have a midi controller\keyboard ( which I have always used for midi bass and drums) but I do so much better , being a guitar player, using my guitar to record the bass lines. With the guitar I can really nail the nuances, timing, etc, etc and of course it doesn't sound mechanical because it isn't. I know I can just use audio but then I don't have as much freedom with VSTS for playback.
Is their such a thing as an "inexpensive option"? BTW I should add I do own Melodyne Editor 4 full. I did notice Reaper has this thing called REATUNE  which does exactly what I am talking about, supposedly, pretty easily?
Thanks