Terry Kelley

I'm running 1903 and have a couple of things that could have potentially need reactivation but so far everything works. Not a peep.

I like my Presonus M7 but I do have both M57 and M58's I can use. I can't sing so it doesn't really matter! I do prefer the sound of the M7 for my (lack of) voice.

I was thinking you could add two master buses, one with reverb and one with echo. The echo could feel the reverb. That way you can have reverb with and without echo. This assumes you want the reverb to be same either way.

I'm very glad they changed to this.

Whenever I need something unique I either add it to the track or set up a new feed/send into the main bus. I often have tracks thest have their own delay and reverb too.

11 hours ago, sjoens said:

As far as re-editing a vvocal clip, I think you have to bounce it first and then create another instance with vvocal. That's how I've had to do it, anyway.

I re-read your comment. I didn't try that. I'll check it out and see if a bounce will bring up the editor but I suspect I'll have to create a region. I'll let you know. Thanks for the suggestion!

I use them but only for my legacy MT32/D110 stuff from the 1900’s. Go Cakewalk for DOS!

9 hours ago, sjoens said:

I still use vvocal for things melodyne isnt as good at. (Yes, I said it, and I'm sticking to it.) Plus it's a lot quicker and easier to use with less cpu load.

BTW, I've always seen vvocal create a 2nd clip over the original even after it's rendered. I end up having to move it out of the way to delete the original.

Ah, that's interesting. I my case, the existing VV clips wouldn't open the editor. I have to create another clip to get it to open if I saved the song with Cronus disabled. . It's all working now either way. Minor glitch..

No worries. I'll bet it is better. I've seen the advertisement in CbB!

I've used VV a lot and wanted to get it going.  If I can afford Melodyne at some point I might consider it.

Right. So far there is a V-Vocal clip there that is pitch corrected but I can't edit it. The only thing I can do is select the region again which creates another clip and edit that. But it's a small price to pay.

Hi Scook,

Yes, I have older versions so I have some options, but I can't go in and delete the V-Vocal clips - they ARE the clips now. Even though they are marked V-Vocal, they aren't. Not really a big deal now. I can go in and make any corrections I need.

I am not sure why Cronus x32 was needed. I don't think I changed more than one thing at a time. I might remove it again and see what happens since I now understand why some do and don't work.

Thanks!

Soanr or CbB?

In CbB, I see it occasionally too. How long do you wait? But I've waited and saw it close in about a minute without intervention. No idea what is happening.

This involves Cronus (from outer space.) I have V1.5.1.0.

Somewhere along the line I recall Cronus giving me issues so I did a shift-Open, removed it and re-saved. Bad move. Cronus is needed for V-Vocal. I don't see a way to add it back in after removing it. It shows in the DX folder in the Plug-in Manager but it isn't selectable to add as an effect.  I do recall it showing up with parenthesis in the FX for a track (Cronus) when I started having trouble.

Any file that was saved before I unloaded Cronus works.

What I discovered, right or wrong  is that I needed to install x32 V-Vocal in the Program Files (x86)/Cakewalk/Shared DXi folder.  Why, I don't know.  There is an x64 version in the Program Files location. I haven't tried hiding it to see what happened. Too scared, can't move.

Any file where I saved it without letting Cronus load but using V-Vocal won't let me just click on the V-Vocal clip and open the editor, but I can create a region again and the editor pops up.  I'll have to redo the pitch corrections but this time I will save them to a clip.

Lesson learned, I am just not sure what it is.  Something is afoot at the Circle-K.

Side Note: I am going to try and re-register the DLLs.

There is something wrong with my setting or installation. I installed Sonar 8 Producer on another PC (x64) and then upgraded to CbB. V-vocal works on this new PC on both an old song with V-Vocal and new clips (for comparison.) On the problem PC you can see it flash a clip that says V-Vocal but it disappears. It's no where I can find. Not in a lane, not behind the original clip, no where.

I am not sure where to start at this point - setting, conflicting plugin? Weird.

Vocal Sync (VSync) seems to work correctly. At least I get the render window and it seems to do something.

I did find this in the manual but I don't think a new clip falls in this area:

Region FX clip restrictions

• The following editing functions are disabled for Region FX clips:
• Clip automation.
• Copy/paste for a time selection that contains a Region FX.
• Split clip.
• Slip-stretch clip when the Follow Host Tempo option is enabled.
• Groove Clip looping.
• AudioSnap.

I'm trying to make sense of the functionality of V-Vocal in CbB. Initially I thought it wasn't supported since it wasn't where I expected but someone pointed out that it's moved to Region FX in the Track view. Yep, there it is

I read the V-Vocal info in the CbB documentation (not Sonar; the CbB doc) and it clearly shows how to create a V-Vocal region and then open the editor. Nowhere does it say V-Vocal doesn't work or is limited. Every step is there.

So, I loaded a song created in Sonar 8.0 into CbB.

1. The first issue is that clicking on the V-Vocal doesn't open the editor like it did in Sonar 8.0.  Right clicking and selecting Region FX doesn't show the Editor highlighted.

2. Highlighting a small section of vocals and then right clicking on the clip, opening the Region FX shows Create Region FX available. I click it. It creates a region in a new lane below it, but it's not marked V-Vocal. Right clicking on that or the original and going to Region FX never shows the Editor as available.

3. Repeating the above but using Vocal Sync or Melodyne, does create  a clip marked Vocal Sync or Melodyne and the Editor is available.)

I have read the CbB docs enough to be exhausted trying to figure out what I am doing wrong. V-Vocal just won't create a clip that will invoke the editor like in Sonar.

What could I be doing wrong? I've created new short clips, copied clips to a new file and it just doesn't work. The example in the doc is clearly CbB and not just something left over from the Sonar doc. Maybe I have to buy V-Vocal like Melodyne? I figured it would nag like Melodyne does when you try to use it.

http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=Cakewalk&language=3&help=Region_FX.11.html

Any thoughts appreciated!

More info: It appears installing CbB might have disabled V-Vocal in Sonar. I was using a second PC without CbB to compare. When I run Sonar 8.0 on the CbB PC, I can't get the region to create or invoke the editor there either.

Yeah, there are a lot of subtle changes they made (and some not so obvious) that has really raised CW up!

13 minutes ago, scook said:

If installed following the instructions above, V-Vocal should appear as a Region FX in CbB.

Pentagon I is the only plug-in bundled with SONAR X series requiring administrator access to the registry. This may be done by either running the DAW as administrator or modifying the registry as shown in this post. Allowing for the permissions issue should Pentagon fail to load the problem is system specific.

 

LOL! You posted this just as I was editing my earlier mini-rant. I found it, but not where I expected.

As for Pentagon. I've tried the admin changes and as I said it just loads it and then blows up. I compared the registry content and it matches what people said needs to be there. I will keep playing with it though.

I missed the permissions for Pentagon. Interestingly that works but now I get a blank window for the synth. I will play with it more.

Thanks for replying!

On 1/24/2019 at 7:12 PM, scook said:

Going to need to install the Platinum core (The top level SONAR Platinum link in the Command Center) to be able to install all the Platinum plug-ins. Unlike X3 and older, there is no advanced install option for Platinum. There are several installers though. To save about 50% of the space used by Platinum (excepting the samples for DP and Rapture Session) skip the tutorial install. Can also skip the SONAR Theme editor; CbB has its own. Include the local documentation if you want a relatively recent pdf and chm file. There is a hack to add the old SONAR chm to CbB but there will be missing pages.

All the other legacy plug-ins from X3 and older may be installed with actually installing the DAW EXCEPT V-Vocal. To get V-Vocal requires a minimal installation of the DAW. Here is what that option looks like in X2 Producer

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The legacy LP plug-ins were dropped from Platinum when the L-Phase plug-ins were added. The easiest way to get these back is an advanced install from X3 or older.

It is good idea when installing the actual DAW (in this example X2, Platinum and CbB) they be installed oldest first. While the installers are pretty smart about not overwriting newer files it can happen with unexpected results. Installing in order prevents lost updates.

When running SONAR installers advanced option for plug-ins only, order does not matter. In fact, these installs may be deferred until a project is encountered with missing plug-ins.

Edit: I said V-Vocal wasn't in CbB. Looking, looking, looking, tab after tab, I found it in the Region FX in the wave right-click window. For some reason I thought it was a VST. NICE!

My install started with Sonar 8.0 Pro before installing CbB so I too assume it came through there. I need to pay closer attention ....

I refuse to admit I asked the same question after claiming I tried everything. And when I got the answer I couldn't believe I missed it. I've  freaking used it to reduce the number of items in the track folders in the past.

Nope, I never did that.

I will say that Bandlab cleaned up a number of item descriptions and locations so the GUI makes a lot more sense.

Go to Settings/Update and Security/Backup. Under "Looking for an older backup?" is Go to Backup and Restore (Windows 7). Click on that.

On the left is "Create a system image." It will look for drives large enough for the backup. I use "On a hard disk" and point it to my second drive D.  Click next and you will be taken to 'Confirm your back up settings." If you are fine with the destination, click Start Backup at the bottom. If a prior backup exists on that drive it will overwrite it. It "appears" to make an image of the used space on C, not necessary the whole drive including unused space.

Finally, Windows doesn't appear to allow the image to be copied to another drive. I need to check. What I haven't tried is to make the image on a blank drive or SD card and then try copying my midi backup folders to that drive. That might work.

I have all of my CW master files (Sonar masters, Bandlab/CW), installers and misc music files on a second drive.

CW and all plug-ins and accessories are installed on the main OS drive C:. Cakewalk runs from C-drive but all working files are on D. I do a Windows backup image to the second drive daily. Then I do a  daily backup of the second drive to a third drive (usually a 128MB SD card or my external drive.) That third drive is my fail-safe.

If things go bad, either the second drive or my third "backup" drive has everything. I can restore the image and working files from either and get going again. If the second drive dies or is trashed, I can restore from the third drive. All three aren't going to die at one time.  As a last resort I can reinstall Windows 10, CW and all plugins.

Once the first image backup is done, it takes less than 15 minutes to update the image on the second drive and then backup everything to the third drive.

I figured it out. After lots of clicking and button pressing, you have to teach (assign) a button or controller via the midi symbol on the VST window. You can assign a controller to everything there.

I've search and haven't found anything on this. I am looking for what controller is used for the Leslie speed on the Arturia B3 VST.  The Arturia documentation doesn't mention any of the controllers. I've stepped through as many as I can and while I can control a lot of things, the speed eludes me. I used to use the Organized Trio VST and figured out the controller for it's Leslie but I haven't gotten a re-installation to work so I am trying the Arturia version. I do know I can't used automation to control it on either.

Anyone know?

Add a white background theme. The dark background is too difficult to read. Something similar to Cakewalk for Windows. I have been playing with the theme editor but I am a long way away from having something totally done. No doubt it's covers most objects.

It's like a theme with all of the colors inverted would do it.

IMHO.