Brian Walton

Wonder what we get for free this year....that is the only thing is interested in from Waves after the lame v11 announcement.  😂

1 hour ago, Fleer said:

$29 or die

I would say $26 is the limit thanks to discounts from Audio Deluxe and similar.  However, this one and only this one might deserve a $3 premium depending on one's patience.  

37 minutes ago, Grem said:

SOC is on sale right now! $99 WOW!! Maybe $50 was the lowest they will go for now?

https://www.waves.com/plugins/scheps-omni-channel

I'd be shocked if we don't see it at $30 in less than 2 months time.  

41 minutes ago, Monomox said:

no difference whatsoever, it's stuck on 4th gear,lol!

Will have to see what the future holds, but confirmation they will look into velocity:

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=533832&start=120

Bought it, spent 5 min with it, confirmed it is CPU hungry.

Will prob have to be in the first couple tracks and then "freeze" it on my machine.  

On 10/25/2019 at 10:06 AM, Johnbee58 said:

That somebody would actually pay a significant amount of money for a DAW when they can have Cakewalk for free begs discussion though.  I have heard many people on this forum say that Cakewalk is a true professional DAW.  If so, it should offer just about everything an music artist should need, or at least  make everything possible available.  I'm curious why somebody who has CbB for free would pay so much money for something else.  If that's the case, Cakewalk must be missing something that Pro Tools and Cubase aren't.

😀JB

Those that did not have Sonar Platinum of some sort before are missing a number a vsts and vsti that people still pay a premium to get with other DAWs.  

I generally think it is crazy, but I also have all those extras b/c I paid hundreds for Sonar Platinum.  

Bandlab is an amazing free package, it is light on pro instruments.  The pro channel is fantastic, but it does lack the extra mastering limiter, eq, comp and a few other extras one expects in a paid product.

It is still the best looking daw, thanks to themes.  

I'll say it again the only core feature they really lack are chord tracks and arrangement tools for easy composition.  One could argue the midi tools in cubase are easier to use, but cake does have tools.

I think they should charge 0.05 for it so it makes it into retail stores and catalogs, then see how the market reacts.  Hmmm Cakewalk for five cents or protocols for.....

1 hour ago, kitekrazy said:

I was hoping for something else instead of having 72 copies of Nectar.

Also didn't want something I already had but haven't seen current version of nectar elements free before 

Are you sure you are not thinking about neutron?

41 minutes ago, antler said:

Thanks Brian: you actually ended up mentioning all of the plugs I was eyeing up.

I was trying to find independent reviews of Oracle/Nebula, but couldn't really find any other than from Plugin Boutique. I've seen Firefly mentioned positively a few times here, but I have so many other compressors now; thought I'd give Glitch a skip seeing as I have Gross Beat and iZotope Stutter Edit. Still interested in Union though.

Cool track, by the way. Going out on a limb here, but is that AAS lounge lizard you're using for keys?

Thanks.

Hate linking something with such negiativity, but seems to be a fair bit of it surroudning Oracle:

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=490018

It was most likely AAS Lounge Lizard.  I have a couple other rhodes style emulations or samples but it is virtually always my go to.  

Haven't tried Union yet, but obviously with the price point I'm considering it.  

I bought Nectar Elements when it came out at some reduced price (likely $30), surprisingly it is the only Izotope elements plugin that is "meh" for me.  Would certainly pay a few bucks for it but is the only one in the Elements line I felt $30 was actually more than I wanted to spend on it. 

2 hours ago, antler said:

Having a look at the plugins on sale; anyone have any opinions on Oracle and/or Nebula?

Haven't used Oracle, but the reviews are honestly suprisingly poor (not the ones on plugin boutique).

I have Nebula, I tried it out a couple of times but not sure if it ever actually was used on a project.

Unrelated, I've used both Firefly and Glitch on final projects.  Other bus comps are better than Firefly but the fact I can install it on multiple machines I own can make transfering projects much easier than some of the alternatives.  

Glitch was indespensable in getting this "lead/melodyish track" I thought my guitar take was pretty much mundane and worthless without it.  

32 minutes ago, Magic Russ said:

Does this update do anything?

Only waste your time. 

This usually predicts a future update, maybe an early release is in the works.

47 minutes ago, Christian Jones said:

I don't really keep up w/ Waves but I checked this out today and it's cool and I want it. You can get it for $50 here, but it was $29 recently. What's the chances it will go down to $29 for Black Friday or Christmas? Is it worth waiting and losing out on the $50 deal? 

 

https://www.bestservice.com/scheps_omni_channel.html

Can't predict the future but historically it has gone on sale for $29 with regularity.

Best value in a WAVES plugin, IMO $29 or less is the pricepoint. 

I think I got it for 26 or less.

I like a handful of WAVES plugins quite a bit.

However the "new version" and WUP program is complete and total insanity.  Charging the sale cost of a plugin simply to get support for a pluign that should work in the first place is crazy.  

The updates do not provide additional features, any obvious updates to stablity, etc.

It seems v11 is basically for MAC users due to a new operating system so WAVES decided to make a new version instead of making v10 compatible thus the whole user base is impacted.  

The fact the WUP price will cost you more than you can get in a re-sale of the plugins is also absurd.  

20 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

So far I don't see any plugins updated to 11.   It's just Waves Central. I installed their freebies on my other machines and the H Compressor is still at 10.

They do have v11 plugins for everything I looked at, which likley means they did nothing to them, but will not support the prevoius version.  

I registered an old serial number I recieved about a year ago, it registered as v11.  

All my v9 plugs turned to worthless when 10 came out.  They still don't work.

v11 is not "good news" in my book.  

The updates never really change anything for Windows users except to make old versions suddently not work out of the blue.

(checked my WUP cost out of curiousity, it will cost a few dollars less to "WUP" than I paid for all of them in the first place, all to give me zero new features and the support ot make them work - which shouldn't be required if the plugins and authorization just work as they should)

Hopefully a future article on Chord and Aranger tracks in Cakewalk.  😁

In the meantime + 1 on drum maps or the current version of take lanes.

1 hour ago, Misha said:

Ok, a question from a different angle on the topic. What if...

I get new HD, install Windows+Cakewalk+my projects on it., turn off computer, take out hard drive. Leave it on a shelf. Assuming hardware part works (comp. + HD) will Cakewalk run in 10 years, or it will try to re-authorize based on time? 

Thank you.

Current version has to authorize to the server (or go into demo mode) something like every 6 months.  

I don't know the code written into it, but I'm betting that scenario would not work.

Also you mentioned saving your projects as Cakewalk Bundles.  I'm far from an expert there, but if you are a doomsday theorist, saving in a fully closed proprietary format probably not the best route.

Maybe save each project with stems both processed and unprocessed.  Those could be imported into any other DAW.  

The fact I've opened Cakewalk projects from 17 years ago gives me some confidence in what they are doing.  

7 hours ago, rasure said:

It`s in my account now thank you, but when I register at eventide I get...

"The given product is already registered to another user. If you need assistance having a product unregistered that you purchased from a previous owner, please contact Eventide support at support@eventide.com."

Check in your ilok account after some time.   I got the same annoying message, but it actually showed up despite the error.

36 minutes ago, Misha said:

Hi Folks, Bakers.

It had been over a year now since Bandlab took over Cakewalk. I am glad that I stayed and (very!) impressed with the pace of development and fixes.  Cakewalk does 99% of what I need...

I am sure it was discussed, but just to be certain... In case something unpredictable happens, what to expect? I have over 150 projects at various states of completion in Cakewalk format.  If "What If" happens,  will the final version be distributed as installation download package, or what is contingency plan?

 I do have a physical (box) of old Sonar (X1 I believe)  and Home edition from Gibson days.  I assume these would still work regardless of situation, at least for the projects done up to date.

P.S. I do hope Cakewalk stays around for MANY long years, but just want to have an idea of a backup plan.

Thank you.

 

The whole premise of unpredicatble is the fact we won't know.  

Only old versions of Cakewalk that authorized locally off-line by using a serial number and registration code that did not connect to any server to authorize are the only way you can assume to be able to install Cakewalk should something outside of anyones control happens.  Of course there is no guarantee that version will work on any future state of Windows, etc.  

That is actually a better backup than you will get from most other DAWs as they majority (such as current Cakewalk state) requires the company to be in business to authorize.  At least there was a period of versions where Cakewalk didn't and therefore if you own one of those versions, you might have a small amount of security.  

Not sure about backwards compatibility though.  I'm only opening with current versions of Cakewalk these days, including projects created many years ago.  

8 hours ago, e-cue said:

Apple and Oranges.  

 

UAD's AMS NEVE DFC CHANNEL STRIP is literally a tenth the price right now, and Neve (even AMS NEVE) is arguably a more revered brand than Harrison.  

Requires a UA interface to run, so that is also apples to oranges, especially considering the price of any of the non entry level options a production house would want to use.

I agree that I'm not sure Harrison has the clout to charge that and get a bunch of takers, the market will quickly dictate if I'm off base.

They make no qualms about who it is designed for. 

If you are running a large format video production house, $1500 is in the realm of Izotope RX Advanced which you already also have. 

Would be interesting to know if they did open the market more to say $200 per seat if they would actually make more money or not than with the strategy of only going after studios/production facilities.

23 hours ago, Carl P Clovis said:

Are those Gibson guitars?

Heritage guitars, made in the original Gibson Factory.

Haven't had the pleasure to play a new one from when BandLab took over.  But my Heritage Prospect is my favorite guitar (own Gibsons that I rarely play including vintage ones).  When I went shopping for a semi-hollow (or hollow) a number of years ago, I'm still very thankful I didn't buy any of the Gibsons I looked at.   I do think getting rid of the Prospect out of the standard lineup was an unfortunate turn of events though.  

33 minutes ago, antler said:

Perfectly happy with my PreSonus Faderport 8

Disclaimer: I'm a hobbyist, rather than a pro who depends on it everyday for imcome

Also costs just as much, if not more once we see actual street prices for the Console 1

1 hour ago, antler said:

I thought the adverts said Macs 'just work'...

On a slightly more serious note, I do wonder if it's a deliberate ploy from Apple to deliberately break stuff, forcing people to pay more for upgrades to everything.

ok - I'm done playing the cynic; peace out

It is either that or they don't know how to build an OS that is backwards compatible with anything.

16 minutes ago, Matthew Sorrels said:

RAR is pretty common, not really proprietary.  Also very common with music files because it can easily break into multiple pieces and compresses audio slightly better than standard zip.

It is proprietary.  Otherwise Win10 would recognize it and extract it without having to install another program to do so.

Agree with Larry  7zip is the best free option I'm aware of.  However, I still stand with the notion it is annying to have to install another program to extract such a small file set.

RAR is for when real compression and large files are in play.  

Using a proprietary compression format (albeit a respected one) for the delivery of the file is pretty lame.