Agincourtdb

OK.

I got it working.

It was Bluetooth. There was an entry for my Bluetooth headphones in the audio devices list, in Device Manager. Once I disabled *THAT*, p5 successfully profiled and loaded up.

I sincerely want to thank everyone who weighed in. Seriously.

On 5/15/2021 at 8:07 PM, Kevin Perry said:

OK, so try this...

Same file

Search for DriverType=

Set its value to 2 (ASIO)

Nope, no effect.

On 5/15/2021 at 9:15 PM, msmcleod said:

The final method (which IMO is the quickest), is to use the pattern tool:


 

Yeah I think this is the best workaround. I have also discovered that Ableton *does* allow MIDI loops to be any length, so I may also pick up a copy of Live Intro. Don't really like the interface but maybe I can get used to it enough for the next project. Thanks for the help!

Edit: Also, just got Project 5 working again! Apparently it didn't like there being an entry in the sound devices list for my bluetooth headphones, because once those were disabled, BAM, she started right up. So as it stands now I'll be creating the MIDI in P5 where MIDI looping is *incredibly* easy, and then importing the MIDI into Sonar or Bandlab for actual mixing/tweaking.

On 5/15/2021 at 8:07 PM, Kevin Perry said:

OK, so try this...

Same file

Search for DriverType=

Set its value to 2 (ASIO)

Haha, ok so, this is embarrassing, but in my attempt to get it to work I deleted p5aud.ini, expecting it to recreate it, but apparently it doesn't get that far. What's worse: uninstalling and reinstalling doesn't create one either. Can anyone attach a copy?

Edit: it was still in the Recycle Bin! restored, going to edit now.

On 3/26/2021 at 5:41 AM, msmcleod said:

I rarely use groove clips myself, but I do use 7/8 a lot and in some cases change time signatures every few bars or so.

This is what I would do:

1. Do what @Colin Nicholls suggested - make it twice the length so it's aligned to 1/4 notes, then slip edit the clip back to 3.5 beats long
2. Change the time signature for that bar to 7/8, setting the time signature back to 4/4 on the next bar. This will mean everything is properly measure aligned.

 

#2 doesn't work because the hypothetical 7/8 clip will be running against clips of different lengths. 7/8 against 8/8. Against 6/8. 11/8 against 12/8  15/8 against 14/8. And so on. It's process music, think Steve Reich. 'Measures' don't matter at all. Thanks for the suggestions though.

On 5/12/2021 at 5:10 AM, msmcleod said:

^^^ This is the best method IMO.

Use Bounce to clip(s) on the groove clip to make it a regular clip, then slip edit back an 1/8th note.

Once it's a regular clip, you can use duplicate clips ( CTRL + D ) to make extra copies of the clip.

Yeah. Thanks for the help guys. I guess I'm doing this the hard way 😢

15 minutes ago, Agincourtdb said:

There's a newer version of the Presonus drivers than I was using, going to try that.

Didn't work.

There's a newer version of the Presonus drivers than I was using, going to try that.

On 5/12/2021 at 9:03 PM, Kevin Perry said:

Try this

Try this (not sure if it works):

C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\Project5v2_5

Edit project5.ini (notepad)

Search for DisableDSound

Set it =1 if it exists, else add it

ie.
DisableDSound=1

Will try this tomorrow and let you know, thanks so much.

I uninstalled, restarted, did a clean install, same behavior.

On 3/26/2021 at 2:53 PM, bvideo said:

I wish it were more clear to me what the role of this 7/8 loop is in this 4/4 project.

...polymeter? 

Alas, my P5 2.51 won't run at all now. It seems to choke while trying to profile the sound card. I've tried it without the 1818VSL plugged in, just winks out back to desktop. Anybody know of a way to keep it from auto-running the WDM profiler? I'm trying to get in to use the ASIO Presonus drivers.

Really frustrating. I know I got many more years out of it than I reasonably should have, but for the stuff I do, the pattern editor and .ptn files that act as MIDI loops of literally any length are both vital. (Reich-style process music)

Shot in the dark. Anyway, thanks for the good times P5 if not.

On 3/24/2021 at 8:58 PM, SteveC said:

It does look like MIDI groove clips are 1/4 note based.   I created a single 7/8 MIDI clip in a 7/8 time signature, and groove clipping caused the clip length to auto-snap to a quarter note value.   So like Colin said you need to work in 1/4 increments; i.e., in 7/4 instead of 7/8.    Or...  instead of groove clipping use the Duplicate command.  If you do that be sure to disable the Current Snap Settings option under Preferences > Editing. 

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This raises an interesting possibility... just using 7/4 at a ludicrously fast tempo. I'm a little hesitant since I'm going to be driving outboard hardware synths, and I'm new to that, and I'm not sure how their tempo functions will respond...

Thanks for responding

2 hours ago, Blogospherianman said:

Groove clips only go to whole beats.  Since 7/8 is only 3.5 beats (to the groove clip looper) , it gets confused. (It can’t even groove clip loop 7/8 in the meter of 7/8 as it still doesn’t consider the 1/8 note getting 1 beat)

You can as suggested copy the first 7/8 bit to where it goes (the ‘And’ of beat 4), making a total of 7 beats that end on beat 3 of the second  bar.

Bounce those two clips into one clip, then  groove clip loop that. It works perfectly then!

It's so frustrating that they've built in that limitation. Leaving aside that 7/8 is not 3.5 beats, it's either seven beats, or it's 2+2+3 or 3+2+2 or whatever, there's really no reason for the groove clip creation process to be making decisions about the length of the clip for me. Thanks for responding though, I appreciate it.

On 3/24/2021 at 6:38 PM, twelvetone said:

I've never had the pleasure but every now and so often someone here waxes lyrical about Project 5.

Clearly had cool creative ideas in it.

Bakers?

I often do  triplet pop/irish and use 36-based time sigs. Goes into 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12 and 18

Yeah for working with MIDI it was fast and intuitive. Lacked serious audio tools. If they'd just upgraded it to x64 I'd be using it still, rewired into Sonar. If I could get it to run on this machine I'm currently on, which I can't, I would write the piece of music in MIDI in P5, save out the MIDI clips (which you can do) and import them into Sonar (which you can do) I may try uninstalling and reinstalling, as I have all the installers on a NAS drive. 

18 hours ago, Colin Nicholls said:

Make the groove clip a multiple of quarter notes. Repeat the loop twice within the clip if you have to, or ad a variant to taste. You can totally do it.

8 minutes ago, twelvetone said:

56/8 time sig.

You put your 4/4 every 14 beats and your 7/8 every 8 beats

I need to know how to create a non-time-signature-length MIDI groove clip. Is that making sense? In other words, these are the kludge workarounds I'm trying to avoid. I should say that I'm used to the MIDI pattern editor in Project 5 (remember her?) and it was so easy. You just dragged the length handle over to how long you wanted the pattern file to be, and then when it was ready you 'exported' it onto the timeline. Still wishing Cakewalk/Sonar had implemented that.

I appreciate the responses!

4 hours ago, lapasoa said:

Simply delete the eight note.

There is no eighth note on the 'and' of four. The clip is 7 eight notes long. 'Groove clip looping' it makes it 8 eighth notes long.

So simply put, I'm trying to create a MIDI groove clip that's 7 eight-notes long, while in a 4/4 project. There *has* to be a way to do this, but even when I have the clip length correct, and the correct area of the timeline selected, etc, on converting the MIDI clip to a MIDI groove clip, it changes it to 8 eighth-notes long. How do I keep it from changing the clip length?

I would literally kill for:

The pattern editor from Project 5, as a plugin. To be able to use that workflow in Sonar would make how I make my music soooo much easier. I wouldn't have to choose between easy creativity and easy mixing.

Yeah I've recently started deep-diving into learning actual programming of softsynths, and I've started with Z3ta+2, and I'm finding that it makes a lot of sense to me, even the matrix which I previously feared as if it were formed from the deepest, darkest Chthonic magicks.

1 hour ago, Magic Russ said:

I did get a license for the Nomad stuff some BFs ago, just saying that some people might be disappointed to find there are a few things from Sonar that aren't usable in P5.

 

 

Really the only problem is that you can't ReWire it into x64 Sonar or Bandlab. When I could ReWire, it didn't matter what would only run in Sonar, I'd just have P5 sending audio into Sonar and do the 'mix' there.

10 hours ago, pwalpwal said:

try running as admin?

OK, so I thought I was, and may have been, and now after a cold boot the directory I was trying to add is in there where before it was blank. Without my trying to add it again. So either loading P5 in admin mode made it 'see' my entry from before, or the cold boot did. Thanks for weighing in either way!

I'm migrating to a new laptop... got P5 2.5.1 successfully installed and authorized but for some reason I can't add a target folder to the vst scanner. Go through the motions and it just doesn't 'take'.  Anybody seeing this behavior? Also Win10.

p.s. Got back into making stuff after a few years away and used p5 (on the previous laptop quite a bit. 2 of 7 songs on the EP I just released were done in P5 v2.5.1 :)