Starship Krupa

5 minutes ago, Amberwolf said:

It seems too obvious to have missed, so my guess is they had them in there under some other type of sound name, making them harder to find, or they were under some subcategory instead of a top-level of their own.  

Unfortunately I am quite capable of missing something in plain sight. 🙄This feature also hasn't been around long for me to get good at.

The only thing that comes to mind is that I somehow had another category or categories already selected, which could mask the presence of what I was looking for. Maybe it was a fluke.

1 hour ago, Amberwolf said:

I poked around and don't see a specific place for it, just this https://help.bandlab.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404926548121-How-do-I-contact-BandLab

I found that too and actually sent them a ticket. Got a nice response saying that it was a great idea and that they would forward it to the ideas people.

Then I found this mere hours after this pleasant exchange😣:

Either I need to get good at navigating the search function or BandLab are QUICK about following up on users' good ideas.😄

How did I miss this? Well, I've had trouble with finding things in the sounds collection. Not trouble that I can fully articulate at the moment. I need to spend time with it and see how I'm missing things.

There's some interesting stuff in here. It says there are 142 sound effects and Foley collections, and each one seems to have about 100 sounds, so maybe 14,000 individual sounds in this category? I'm kinda blown away. One of the membership benefits. Takes care of my sound effect library needs right inside the program.

Company who pulls stupid crap like this needs to realize: everyone was doing just fine before your fabulous and indispensable service came along. Not only since people started editing videos on our computers, since we started making and using computers, but the millennia of what is considered human history and before that. Fine. We flourished even.

And if your service vanished tomorrow, or if it had never come into existence in the first place, nothing would be different about the world, nothing.

I create videos on my computer, I spend at least 10 hours a day in front of an internet connected computer, move terabytes of data around and I never heard of either of these outfits until now. That's how essential they are to this heavy computer user and content creator.

It's amusing to see them get called out on their silly (and not necessarily enforceable) EULA's. They know instantly what impact it has on their business by analyzing traffic to their servers. Oops! Wah wah waaaaahhhh.

On 7/16/2025 at 9:19 AM, Clint Martin said:

I'm surprised that apple can work without thermal issues and provide performance, while PC's still have issues.

Don't be. Several years back, Apple decided to bring a HUGE amount of engineering effort to bear on the issue of processor power consumption and heat generation. They came to the conclusion that the best way to go about it was to develop their own CPU's.

So "Apple silicon" was engineered from the very start, ground up, to be more efficient.

Microsoft is only now getting serious about Windows on ARM, so they have some catching up to do. Multiple DAW's including Sonar, now have ARM builds. So perhaps in the near future, the answer to what would be the best tiny Windows DAW computer will be "one with an ARM CPU."

Maybe this wasn't the best place to ask this.

The collection is produced/curated by BandLab. Is there some way to send requests/suggestions to the BandLab powers that be?

On 7/13/2025 at 11:36 AM, John T said:

Would be great if this could be streamlined. Make it an optional switch if needs be.

Maybe a modifier key. Like if you invoke the command while holding Alt, it applies trimming before sending it?

8 hours ago, sjoens said:

Submit to whom, tho?

Same person I submitted them to. Morten Saether.

AFAIK, he's still in charge of documentation.

On 7/13/2025 at 1:31 AM, sjoens said:

As I keep finding, the manuals need a bit of healing themselves as there are a number of erroneous entries. 

The longer a document has been around, the more the author(s) and users become blind to errata.

After the first CbB Reference Guide  was published, I was still new to it and created a document where I could write down errors. Every so often, I'd PM a list of them to Morten Saether. The great majority of them got incorporated (some of them were my own misunderstandings). I stopped after it stopped feeling like such a "target rich environment." Maybe became blind to whatever's still there, or just never accessed those parts of the manual.

So my suggestion is to note and submit whatever errata you find. The guy in charge of documentation is good about fixing them. The more eyes on it the better, I think.

On 7/15/2025 at 10:27 AM, Spieler said:

A command to join adjacent notes would also make editing easier in many cases

Hmm, merge/tie notes. I like that idea.

I, too, like being sure which type of plug-in I'm using. And I favor VST3 plug-ins.

VST2 technology will fade away sooner than VST3, and any plug-in that I only have in VST2 form is on the older side.

Some people start a project, finish it, archive it and go on. Some people, like me, have dozens of non-completed projects that we revisit when we feel like it. Starter ideas, ones I couldn't figure out how to finish, etc.

Right now, my composition method starts in the box, with soft synths and creative FX. The DAW is effectively my "instrument." So it collects ideas just like my piano or guitar. With the DAW, it's easier to save and remember. I can work on an older project, I can search them for ideas to combine, etc.

So plugin longevity is important. Newer is better, "still supported" is best.

Let's hope that whenever we get access to custom color schemes, we're allowed to set these colors.

On 7/14/2025 at 5:43 AM, pedwal wally wally wha said:

i wonder what the devs are using? just hard-coding the current schemes?

An extensive "theme editor" as CbB had will likely never come, and I don't have a problem with that. I leaned so hard into it because it was fun and the older button iconography rubbed me the wrong way. The buttons have been mostly fixed. I just want to be able to set colors. That's it. I don't need to design my own sets of buttons and controls.

I'm in the aging eyesight crew, finding Sonar to be less and less legible and finding myself going back to CbB or even SONAR for some operations.

As for how the devs are making their color themes, I suspect that there's a table that maps screen elements to color values. Put in a new color number and the corresponding screen element changes. For a dev to do it, they have to alter the code directly, which requires the administrative overhead of checking the module out, la la la.

It may be that they are going to come up with a dialog in the new style for color assignments, it seems unlikely that they would try to reuse the old custom color dialog. And a color picker dialog is surely lower priority than sexier dialogs that users will access more often, like the new Track Manager. Maybe it would be part of a whole facelift for Preferences.

The way to make it higher priority is to post right here in this forum, so well done to everyone who has.

IIRC, the earlier Theme Editor evolved from an in-house tool that may never have been intended for end users to get their hands on. Would explain the....idiosyncrasies of Theme Editor. It was a lot of fun, though, and I loved having that level of customization available. Themeing became a whole other hobby, and I suspect more people have used the themes I made with Theme Editor than have listened to my recordings....

9 hours ago, msmcleod said:

One of the most common things we hear from noobs is that they're getting clicks & pops, when they've loaded up their project with 100+ tracks containing an overkill of plugins that they saw on their favourite you-tube channels and a bunch of CPU intensive VSTi's.

So I guess I was right about that. The "minimum requirements" are more about the (over)use of plug-ins than about the DAW itself. Heaven knows, when a n00b wants to fix something, the first thing they reach for is another effect plug-in. When I revisit my own early projects I'm astonished at how many friggin' plug-ins I thought I needed. Or actually did need.

Also, in the hours and hours I've spent watching YouTube tutorial videos, I don't know if I've ever seen one that got into freezing tracks. Which is a pity, because it can extend the useful life of older/low spec systems, or let me be productive when I can't be at my usual DAW computer. 25 plug-in laden tracks become 25 audio tracks. We don't even seem to recommend it much here on the forum. WTH happened to track freezing?! Cheap RAM and faster CPU's I guess.

Maybe I'll recommend a "track freezing" tutorial to one of our YouTube people....but it could just be my own perception that they are few. I think it could be valuable for "expectation management" to educate n00bs about track freezing: either cool it with the plug-ins or learn how to freeze.

My frugality expresses itself in a preference for plug-ins that don't gobble resources (also tuning my system like it's an F1 car). MeldaProduction FX and AIR synths are staples around here. I also like A|A|S synths, but even they are not terrible when it comes to resource usage. Especially if you knock down the voice count on those loooooonnnng factory pads.

9 hours ago, User 905133 said:

Thanks for clarifying that you were intentionally being silly and snooty. 

I've had to do that a lot in the course of my life. My deadpan is too good, I guess. I'm not actually a pedantic know-it-all, I just pretend  to be one for comic effect!

My story and I'm sticking to it....

I do actually love New Order and wasn't kidding about "Perfect Kiss," though. For the record (no pun).

4 hours ago, User 905133 said:

it seemed to me your "Oh is there now..." was questioning my comment "there's a cowbell in the video," a reference to Mississippi Queen.

Jeez, 9, I thought I  was the one who overthinks things.😄❤

My thought process went something like this:

"Hmm, 9 says that 'Mississippi Queen' rules because you can see the guy smacking out a straight 1/4 note ride on it in the intro. Well 'Perfect Kiss' has the lead singer take a cowbell solo with the camera zoomed into his face and the instrument in question. How can I respond in the silliest way possible?"

I was being "snooty" about the relative difficulty of the cowbell part and Jonathan Demme's choice of shots. As in "oh is there now, well take a look at the ahhhtistry on display in this  video."

13 hours ago, Xoo said:

I'd seriously forgotten how dull New Order were.

De gustibus. To me, "Perfect Kiss" is a towering anthem and I hang on every note. I've watched the video so many times I have things memorized, like where Bernard takes the cowbell solo and where you can see the Joy Division gig flier.

@User 905133, the part I'm referring to regarding cowbell starts at 6:30, after Steven's frog solo. Bernard takes a lead on it, a nice, complex rhythm striking two different parts of the bell, giving it an agogo flavor.

I was going to post LCD Soundsystem's "Daft Punk is Playing at My House" for another great cowbell solo, but I watched a live video of it and Murphy uses an agogo. I had thought he was doing like Bernard and hitting different parts of the bell.

Here's the live version.

Notes:

1. holy mother of pearl THIS is how you start a live set
2. Nancy Whang should have received a special Grammy for Best Use of Rock and Roll Hair in a Live Performance for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbNTGCB_vg

On 7/14/2025 at 8:36 AM, T Boog said:

I'm just hoping the US govt does something to ban the owner of CapCut.

Unfortunately, the DOJ doesn't go after companies for having extralegal spurious unenforceable clauses in contracts.

It's a civil matter, not criminal, so the only way to bring the legal pain is to create something, have them make unfair use of it, and then bring suit.

On the other hand, in these times, the court of public opinion is a strong weapon. What these YouTubers (and people like you) are doing: spread the word, hit them where it hurts, which is user engagement with their platform. If their platform gets a bad name, that's very hard to shake, there are others laying in wait to eat their lunch. FUD can be amazingly persistent. I think people write something off, then go on to the next solution. They carry on and don't check back in with their old platform to see if they cleaned up their act.

Witness the DAW users who switch from one to the other who say they "never looked back." If Re: Purr or Stew Dio Won is working for you, why keep checking in to see if Q-Bass is worth returning to? Has everyone who fled Waves during their flirtation with subscription-only licensing trotted on back? I don't know, but I suspect not.

That's why I'm sad whenever there's an eruption of toxic FUD regarding Sew Gnar, and the platform bleeds users. Fellow users are fun (and useful) to have around, and when they split, they split for good unless the product support forum includes what may be the best deal tracking subforum on the web.😋

10 hours ago, T Boog said:

I wasn't aware of these terms and I did sign the new agreement.

😖

I'm glad you caught it in time.

10 hours ago, pedwal wally wally wha said:

just because it's in a eula doesn't mean it's legal

Excellent point. The EULA would have to stand up to a civil suit, which I doubt that it would.

Companies put all kinds of crepe in EULA's that isn't actually defensible. They're probably just trying to see what they can get away with.

I'd not be surprised if they back off once engagement with their platform starts to suffer as a result.

Whatever will be next for Next?

A YouTube tutorial or two would be nice.

12 hours ago, Xoo said:

I think they'll have to revert to bitmapped graphics (and soon before they add new functionality so they can seamlessly reuse the existing themes from CbB).

Really?

I don't see that happening. First, for the reason you state, they've already added plenty to the program, like the stuff in the new Track Manager and the business about the free tier. Everything about the free tier notifications is via the vector UI. Resizable Console modules is only doable with the vector UI.

All Sonar needs is to restore the size of text (and some graphical elements like note value buttons) in certain locations and give users control over some colors.

I've been watching the factory color schemes closely. Theoretically, every screen element that is different between any 2 color schemes is a screen element where the user can be given control over its color.

So far that would include the main program and view frames and backgrounds, various text and backgrounds such as track names, button text and highlights, and Browser text. Although our once proud order has been driven into hiding if not outright extinction, my fellow .STH Lords and I could do some cool schemes with only access to those colors.

Control Bar buttons still have the same 4 states (inactive, rollover, pressed, active). One guess I have is that where each of those buttons used to require 5 different bitmap images, instead of images those are now the same image in 4 different colors. Given access to those colors, I could make schemes that would help the accessibility issues Sonar has for other people with vision problems.

5 hours ago, T Boog said:

Honestly Krupa, it amazes me that ur so distrusting of the overwhelming consensus on this

5 hours ago, T Boog said:

Where's ur head at Krupa?  🤨

Possibly in the sand or up my rear end, too much of the time.😆

I'm kind of a contrarian. When alarms are raised, my first impulse is to pee into the windstorm of overwhelming consensus. I'm glad I can apply critical thought to what I see, but I'm not glad about stepping on the toes of well-meaning people.

Sincerely, thanks for taking the time and trouble to fill me/us in on more of the details. It's the kind of level-headed information I need to form a better opinion. I'm interested to see how the company responds, so please keep us posted.

YouTube videos....well, there's always that "be sure to like and subscribe, and give us your opinion in the comments below" motivation for them to get attention by appealing to fear. If the title ends with an exclamation mark, they're already on the back foot with me. In my late teens I had the good/mis fortune to run across a book by Abbie Hoffman with an essay titled "Cold War Language: An Editorial Reply," that ruined TV news for me forever. It was like I got those glasses from They Live! Krazy Glued to my face.

Here's a thought: in these days when the panic is usually about AI-created content, it's actually a tiny bit reassuring to think that a company would go to nefarious lengths to gain rights to use human-created content.

If I hear of any friends using CapCut, I'll direct them to the warning sites. I never heard of them before today.

On 7/10/2025 at 12:49 PM, ZincT said:

Melda MultiBender ($49.90)

Not a product that I've heard of, maybe CoPilot could use something stronger than coffee.

3 hours ago, Maria P said:

The elastique pro stretcher has to do with stretching audio clips manually also found in  audio track properties or is it an Audio Snap thing?
The first two have been very useful to me.

The Elastique Pro algorithm is used in the clip stretching operations you mention, not sure if it's also used by Audio Snap. Elastique Pro is only one of the multiple algorithms Sonar users may choose in Preferences. Free tier users have to use one of the others for clip stretching.

We'll still have our choice of stretching algorithms, just one fewer. Same with dithering, there are still multiple dithering algorithms to choose from, just not POW-R.

IIRC, Elastique Pro is something that was added to Cakewalk by BandLab after its initial release, first 6mos. to a year after it came out.

If you're concerned, you have a few weeks left to do audio testing of the algorithms to see if there's an audible difference.

3 hours ago, Maria P said:

I have a paid version of Sonar but still use CbB because of color customizing missing feature, particularly for the Piano Roll View. I had contacted support, obviously it's not their priority to add that

Given that the removal of individual color customizations in Sonar is one of the top complaints (along with smaller text), it may become more of a priority once CbB is no longer an option.

The only way anything can become a higher priority is if the developers know that people want it, so please post in the Feedback forum if you have any complaints or suggestions.

There are existing topics in that forum that you can bump or you can just make your own new topic.

The developers don't read posts in the Deals forum unless they get notified that there's been a rules violation.

Ah, a new round of "panicky outrage/be sure to subscribe" videos.

Has CapCut used anyone's content/likeness/whatever against their wishes or are they just waiting for the right moment to drive everyone away from their platform?

On 7/10/2025 at 8:42 AM, SuperFreq said:

"The wrecking crew" was essentially a band.

No it wasn't, unless you have an unusual notion of what constitutes a "band."

It's a term that has been retroactively applied to a bunch of people who were active and in demand in a segment of the music industry around the same time. Most of whom dislike the term. They weren't all managed by the same person(s), they didn't get calls as a group.

The Hall of Fame selected Ms. Kaye because her induction was likely to result in the most people visiting their museum/watching the induction ceremony broadcast. Same criterion they use for all inductees.

She's a legit excellent player who's built her own brand. She's a woman, so, bonus. Also, still alive, which is becoming more unusual among 1960's session players.

Fun fact: Carol isn't the first "member" of the "Wrecking Crew" to be inducted. In 2000, they added a category for "sidemen" and inducted Hal Blaine and Earl Palmer (also Scotty Moore, who contended that he and Bill Black and D.J. Fontana should have been inducted along with Elvis Presley in 1986).

She's objecting to a practice that started 25 years ago and has already included people she played dates with, so....is she pissed because more "Wrecking Crew" people aren't being inducted, or is she pissed because it's taken them 25 years to induct her?

Or is she a grumpy old lady who's losing her marbles?😄 The more I read, the more I'm leaning toward the grumpy/marbles explanation.

6 hours ago, User 905133 said:

there's a cowbell in the video

Oh is there now....