daveiv

I've just deleted my BandLab account. I won't be able to login anymore.

It was nice knowing you all!

AUDIO

ASSAULT

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Every brand whose name starts with Audi-; I confuse them with each other.

Except the one which produces horseless carriages.

12 minutes ago, ALC said:

https://vi-control.net/community/threads/sampletekk-pianos-recommendations-during-sale.102786/

Post #13 has a nice rundown of the libraries.

Thank you! I'm quoting Lode_Runner from VI-Control here:

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I love them.

Their product line does get very confusing though with different mic perspectives being sold as different products with often very different names, and the coexistence of the original versions and the MKII versions side by side.

So here's a quick rundown of the many versions of three of their main pianos (I've marked the ones I consider to be the ultimate versions in bold):

Yamaha C7

• TBO (The Big One) = Close mic
• 7CG (Seven Seas Grand) = Room mic
• TSO (The Small One) = Close mic lite
• 7CG Jr (Seven Seas Grand Junior) = Room mic lite
• TBO MkII = The close mic with version 2 upgrades
• 7CG MkII = The room mic with version 2 upgrades
• TVBO (The Very Big One) = Both close mic version 2 and room mic version 2 (ie this is the most complete version)

Steinway D

• Black Grand = original version, all 3 mic perspectives
• Black Grand Close = original version, close mic only
• Black Grand Medium = original version, medium mic only
• Black Grand Ambient = original version, room mic only
• Steiny D - Close! = A lite version of Black Grand Close
• Steiny D - Classic Grand = A lite version Black Grand Ambient (or medium?)
• Steiny D Close sfzed and Steiny D Classic Sfzed = as above but for Sforzando rather than Kontakt.
• Black Grand MkII = all 3 mics, plus version 2 upgrades (ie this is the most complete version)
• SampleTekk Black - Powered by Kontakt = a version that came out after the original version but before the MKII version. So far as I can see it has just one mic perspective, 'refined samples' (I'm not sure what that means exactly), and runs in the free Kontakt Player (most of their other libraries don't).

Malmsjö

• White Grand = original version, close mic
• White Sister = original version, stereo mics
• Blue Grand = Close and Room mics for a more ambient sound plus some slight changes to the tuning (I think from the description this may be pre-mixed, you don't have control of the different mics, but I'm not sure, and I don't know what they mean by the changes to the tuning).
• WG2 = original version, both close and stereo mics
• WG Jr = original version, lite version of White Grand
• White Grand Mk II = close mic with version 2 upgrades
• Blue Grand MkII = Blue Grand with version 2 upgrades
• WG2 MKII = Both mics with version 2 upgrades

Please correct me if I have got any of the above wrong.

 

Which grand and upright pianos do you recommend?

1 hour ago, Fleer said:

Some great plugins and instruments. 

Such as?

54 minutes ago, ALC said:

buy the non-Mk II libraries

So, the samples in MkII and non-MkII are the same, and the only difference is MkII is for Kontakt?

Harpsichords for $1.20, organs for $4.90, electric pianos for $4.90-$7.90, upright pianos for $4.90-$7.90, grand pianos for $3.90-$19.90...

I'd call it a steal, but stealing would cost more.

18 minutes ago, fret_man said:

OK, I'll say it. I use post-InMusic B FD3 with several of its expansions and it works just fine in Studio One & Win11. I especially like that it automatically loads up the drum map so I can tell what's what. The ONLY issue is that I have to re-authorize every 3 months, which is just a click of a button (as long as your PC is online).

BDF3 uses iLok for authorization?

In all seriousness, would you konsider full kontakt karate?

7 minutes ago, stony said:

Not in every case:

https://therealdeal.com/miami/2022/11/07/music-producer-buys-flipped-oceanfront-jupiter-home-for-15m/

He's running an e-commerce business.

Running an audio plugin business is being a solution looking for a problem.

17 minutes ago, abacab said:

Well the modern Kontakt libraries are encrypted in the NI format, so they are locked into NI unless the keys are made public. So no moving them around.

Fair, they're Kontakt-only.

I meant you could move them between computers without activation and such (except the licensed Kontakt Player ones).

Ultimately, we'll need decent sample libraries for an open format like SFZ to save us from all the drama.

Let me quite quote myself from another thread:

15 minutes ago, daveiv said:

Terrible indeed.

I regret I wasted several hundreds on products now belong to InMusic. Issues you mention are my main reasons I'm moving away from plugin based VIs.

Plugins, their installers, their license managers are operating system level programs that can do anything to a computer. They can (and do) spy on you, they can lock you out of using the product (activation/licensing errors), or they can directly harm your computer (like the iLok BSOD issue).

Kontakt libraries are just bunch of files you download and move around; they live in Kontakt without access to your computer. If Native Instruments vanishes tomorrow, we can just find a portable version and continue our work.

4 minutes ago, PavlovsCat said:

Terrible.

Terrible indeed.

I regret I wasted several hundreds on products now belong to InMusic. Issues you mention are my main reasons I'm moving away from plugin based VIs.

Plugins, their installers, their license managers are operating system level programs that can do anything to a computer. They can (and do) spy on you, they can lock you out of using the product (activation/licensing errors), or they can directly harm your computer (like the iLok BSOD issue).

Kontakt libraries are just bunch of files you download and move around; they live in Kontakt without access to your computer. If Native Instruments vanishes tomorrow, we can just find a portable version and continue our work.

5 minutes ago, PavlovsCat said:

I had to roll back Windows after one of their plugins caused massive problems on my Windows PC.

Same. Some of their products installed an ancient version of iLok which made Windows BSOD on launch. I had to fix it by going into terminal and manually deleting the file.

I got a refund from the store, but the responsible InMusic brands never responded to my email.

Piece by piece, 8dio will make us pay more than what Spitfire Symphonic Orchestra costs.

2 hours ago, PavlovsCat said:

 

Thank you for the response. It was an interesting read!

I notice so many mistakes like these from audio plugin/library makers. Probably because most of them are just one-man operations or tiny partnerships with company branding.

I suspect they forget how to be nice to people, after spending years on internet forums.

I can't count how many times I watched Blah Blah Sounds and Yadda Yadda Audio fighting each other like kindergarten kids on KVR.

Don do dat.

@PavlovsCat what's your opinion about Karanyi's product strategies?

https://oimo.io/works/bubbles/

Enjoy.

As an owner of EVERYTHING from AIR, I get ZERO upgrade discounts.

22 minutes ago, Nick Blanc said:

I'm getting this! It will add a 4th license to my account. I've heard rumours that if you combine 5 licenses, it will summon Captain Clipper who will help you defeat the evil  and bankaccount-draining Dr. GAS. 

Do you get a special discount for T-RackS MAX when you collect these freebies?