Jim Fogle

Everyone has a different workflow they are use to and approach tasks differently.  As Chuck E. Baby states what works for one may not work for all.  I couldn't envision where the capability to move tabs would be that useful.  Thank you for taking the time to answer my question.

If it helps your workflow, it's a good idea.

I'm sorry to read this.

I arrived kind of late in the old forum but remember reading some of Space Cowboy's posts and replies.

This thread shows the real reason forums remain popular.  There can be a sense of family and singular community that grows over time.  A forum has a purpose and focus not offered in many other social platforms.

This community lost numerous familiar personalities in the transition from old to new platform.  As was said in an earlier post it is sad to discover at least one former member is gone forever.

How would moving tabs  benefit workflow or daw operation?

A sampler built-into CbB would be nice to have.

Loops and samples are a large part of BandLab Technologues, just look at the BandLab Assistant tabs.  BandLab is able to see what material they provide gets used, what don't get used and how the material is used in their online DAW and their apps.

Everyone is commenting on Cakewalk by BandLab as though it is a standalone product because it presently is.  But, if you look at the new features that have been added they are to help integrate CbB into the BandLab Technologies universe.  I suspect Cakewalk by BandLab will add features important to the BandLab Technologies universe and as much as they are into loops a sampler makes sense.

Starship Krupa,

I'm trying Zamzar as I write this.  It is an online conversion tool.  The link is https://www.zamzar.com/  for anyone else that wishes to give it a try.

Well, the Zamzar conversion did not work out.  This error message was displayed:

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Please check that your source file is not corrupt, password-protected or restricted by DRM (Digital Rights Management).

That's two out of two failed conversions.  Since the pdf file is copyrighted I suspect the problem is the file is DRM restricted.

By the way, I am super impressed with the reference manual.  I am so glad BandLab Technologies believed the time, effort and required resources was worthwhile .

Thanks for taking the time to respond.  You bring up some valid points.

Yes the HUI protocol is a proprietary communication protocol. Still, as a quote from the Wikipedia article linked above states,

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It is now used very widely. Many hardware controllers from manufacturers such as Solid State Logic, Yamaha, TASCAM, and Novation implement this protocol.

The article goes on to address the protocol's use in DAWs,

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... the protocol is also supported by a growing family of DAWs, including MOTU Digital Performer and Steinberg Nuendo, making them cross-compatible with HUI-compatible hardware controllers.

I don't believe the degree of difficulty to complete a task should negatively weigh against a feature request.  Difficult tasks just take longer to complete than easy tasks.

If Cakewalk decides to implement the HUI protocol, getting hardware to test the software shouldn't be an insurmountable obstacle.  BandLab Technologies does own a music store, https://www.sweelee.com/  and is a distributor for many music products.  Other distributors such as Sweetwater and American Musical Supply (AMS) open product, use it for training or videos then sell it  So can BandLab.

4 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

Jim, I've never compared the two formats, but I know that there are various free services and converters like Zamzar.com that claim to convert .PDF to EPub.

I don't know how good a job they do.

Starship Krupa,

Excellent suggestion and thanks for think of it and sharing the idea in the forum.   It's a great suggestion.

I found several free, online conversion utility websites as well as free utility programs available for download using the search term, "pdf to epub convertor".   One interesting website is https://www.online-convert.com/    They offer many different file conversion tools with both online and downloadable tools available for use.  They also offer browser extensions.  Here is the direct link to convert between pdf to epub:  https://ebook.online-convert.com/convert-to-epub 

2 hours ago, msmcleod said:

The PDF format is incredibly flexible. Some PDF's consist of only scanned images, others are formatted text, some a combination of both. So any conversion would be totally dependent on how the .PDF was constructed.

I suspect in the case of the Cakewalk manual however, it would do a fairly good job.

I must say though, in my experience, I found e-readers to be great for novels, but pretty useless for reference manuals. For a start, page numbers go out the window as they vary with text size. Also, page navigation is pretty poor in general (apart from next & previous page). 

I guess it's best to give it a try. 

msmcloud,

Unfortunately, the conversion did not go well.  The conversions either stalled during the conversion process or presented an error code.  I suspect there is either a problem handling a file that is so large or, since both the file and program are copyrighted, that the file is locked through digital rights management (DRM).

If other users try to convert the file I hope they will report their success or failure as the feedback will help BandLab Technologies know how much interest there is in the file as well as having the file available in the EPUB format.

I've experienced the issues you describe using e-readers to read reference manuals.  For the most part you are correct but the issues just highlight the problem with relying on proprietary file formats instead of open standards.  Only Kindle, Nook or Fire e-readers have native viewers built-in for each of those respective file formats.  Generic e-readers use file conversion programs that are not as flexible and accurate as a native viewer.  Plus you have the built-in limitation of looking at a file through a viewer with a gui scrren that includes the program controls and file content.  EPUB eliminates all that overhead.

@Jesse Jost

Why does the forum place a daily limit on the number of reactions I can have?  I do not visit the forum daily choosing instead to visit the forum once or twice a week so a limit on the number of reactions I can place is easily reached.

The Cakewalk Reference has been a great resource to me so far.   It's easy to tell that a lot of thought, attention to detail and work has gone into it.   Great job @Morten Saether and all involved in compiling, editing, proofing and layout of the big book of Cakewalk by BandLab.

One additional request BandLab:  Please consider also publishing The Cakewalk by BandLab Reference Manual in the EPUB format.  https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/epub3-cg/

EPUB is an e-book file format with the extension.epub that can be downloaded and read on devices like smartphones, tablets, computers, or e-readers. It is a technical standard published by the International Digital Publishing Forum.

EPUB has been widely adopted as the format for digital books.  The format's capabilities supports a wide range of publication requirements, including complex layouts, rich media and interactivity, and global typography features.  From a reader's standpoint the format automatically resizes to automatically accommodate display screens of various types, resolutions and sizes.  EPUB is a format designed primarily for viewing interactive content on a display and secondarily for the printed page.

I think it would be nice if the HUI MIDI Mapping Protocol ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HUI_MIDI_mapping_protocol  ) was added to Cakewalk by BandLab.  CbB already has ACT and WAI protocols for surface controllers as well as Studioware selections for many external devices.

As described in " Understanding Audio: Getting the Most Out of Your Project or Professional Recording Studio by Daniel M. Thompson "

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The HUI MIDI mapping protocol is a proprietary communications protocol for interfacing between a hardware audio control surface and digital audio workstation (DAW) software. The protocol allows a DAW and a connected hardware control surface to exchange MIDI signals that synchronize the states of their sliders, buttons, wheels, and displays. The user can write console automation which can then be seen in the DAW.

Although the protocol was developed in 1997 It is used in new controllers such as the Novation: 61SL MkIII Keyboard Controller ( https://novationmusic.com/keys/sl-mkiii  )

On 3/27/2019 at 11:16 AM, Feral State Sound said:

I couldn't agree more with you... But I work mainly  with MIDI and I am quite happy with the program as it is. There is no reason to unconditionally defend or use only one DAW. I have Cakewalk, REAPER and Mixbus installed and all of them are wonderful DAWs and also NONE is exempt of problems or doesn't have improvable parts. Here it is my feature request list:

- Better keyboard remapping abilities (same as Scott)

- Better plugin stability (same as Scott)

- Audio editing/AudioSnap improvements (Same as Scott)

- "Audition notes" button on PRV

- "View note names" button on PRV

- Better notation editor

- Finished MATRIX view 

- Better MIDI learn

- PDF manual

 

A Cakewalk Reference Manual pdf file was released March 29, 2019.  This is a revised release of the Sonar Reference Manual.  This manual is about 2186 pages which is about 500 pages less than the former Sonar Reference Manual.  The manual is current as of the March 2019 update.

Here is a link: 

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/2862-is-a-pdf-manual-or-offline-help-available/

Thank you for providing this pdf file to new Cakewalk by BandLab users.

Wow!  First look reaction.  From a quick look there has been a lot of revisions and updates from the last edition of the Sonar Reference Manual.  Congratulations to whoever has been working on the project.

I am impressed.

Articles normally are free to view three to four months after the month of initial publication.

Should you find a "got-to-have" article each is available for purchase as a downloadable pdf file.

If you've never visited the Sound on Sound website, it is wonderful.

On 3/25/2019 at 1:38 PM, xiaopinghe said:

It is suggested that the development team learn from a function of CUBASE, chord track

I believe this quote is suggesting the addition of a chord track in Cakewalk by BandLab similar to the chord track feature in Cubase.   I'm not familiar with the Cubase chord chart feature so Ask-Audio defines the feature here, https://ask.audio/articles/cubase-7-tips-for-using-the-chord-track as: 

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The Chord Track in Cubase 7 is a powerful new feature that can help everyone from beginners to more experienced players to create more advanced and professional sounding music.

Simply stated, chord chart is a feature that uses the chord progressions inside a song project as a guide for MIDI content to follow.  The feature was introduced in Cubase 7 and expanded in Cubase 8.  The link above gives several tips concerning how best to use the Cubase 7 chord track feature.

On 3/25/2019 at 1:50 PM, xiaopinghe said:

MIDI轨道建议添加全频道，目前1-16轨道，因此会出现控制器可能出现在两个频道中的问题，这似乎相对困难。查看截图。

Google Translate  states the above means:

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The MIDI track is recommended to add full channel, currently 1-16 tracks, so there will be problems with the controller that may appear in both channels, which seems relatively difficult.  View the screenshots.

I don't understand the translation enough to hazard a guess at the meaning behind the message.

Andy,

USB audio interfaces are a great choice for many, I don't deny that and they offer many advantages.  They are plentiful and available at a wide price range.  Many USB interfaces also offer the convenience of close proximity to the user and phantom power for condenser microphones.  Additionally some offer DSP powered VST effects that do not consume computer cpu resources.  If I was planning to use my daw primarily for recording a USB audio interface would be my first choice.

However, in my opinion (and I admit I'm very much a novice) for mixing  and other stages of audio production accurate, clear and defined audio playback is a priority.   It seems to me that many USB audio interfaces emphasize their recording capability more than their audio playback capability.

Unfortunately, audio sound cards are a niche product and focused on gaming audio not production audio.  Creative and ASUS presently own the audio sound card market.  This is the first non gaming focused audio sound card I've seen in a long time.  The one complaint I have is it does not have  a MIDI port.

This is a sweet internal sound card.  I will interested in reading what many of you think  about using a card like this for audio production tasks like mixing.  Suggested Retail is about $249 US.  Nice to see there are sound card options besides Creative.  I like Creative but competition makes everyone better.    

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I'm sorry you believe  I'm trolling you.  That is not my intent and I apologize for making you feel that way.    Once again, I'm sorry.  I will refrain from posting additional comments to your threads.

Great, I'm sure the development team will appreciate your report.   Yep, that thread sure read like the same issue, especially the message you linked.  Silly question but how did you find that thread so quick?

Hopefully the bug will be fixed in the next update or two.  Typically the biggest issues with bugs are first recognizing one and the second is clearly defining the bug.  I think between your post and the link to the thread he development team won't have much trouble verifying and defining the bug.

I'd love to see a standalone computer section added to the forum.  What I think would be really great would be to have the section divided into two subsections, software and hardware. 

Software would be the place to exchange opinions and information concerning subjects like upgrades from Windows 7 to Windows 10, the music production advantages of using Windows Pro versus Windows Home, third party VSTs and other software related topics.

Hardware would a great place to discuss topics like which platform is better for music production; an all-in-one, tower or laptop?

Hi,

Thanks for sharing the issue with all forum participants!  Feedback like this is invaluable toward helping Cakewalk by BandLab become the most trouble free DAW available at any price.

Did the issue occur with one particular Style Dial or all of them?  If one, which one did you discover the issue?

Also, did you know you can report issues directly to support here?  https://help.cakewalk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new.

Thanks.  It looks like it will be an interesting video series.  The technical aspects (audio, clear video, etc) is top notch!

One fault I found is that there is a tendency to pick and choose terms.  For example while providing an overview of the various Control Bar modules the video spent a fair amount of time explaining the punch in-out module versus no time at all on the loop or selection modules.   As another example the video also spent more time dismissing the Video sync module than explaining the other modules.

I think your mistake is in not clearly defining your audience and spending too little time on script development.  Who is the video series intended audience?  For instance, is the audience new to DAWs or new to CbB/Sonar?  Does the intended audience have a background in live sound, recording or music production?  Answers to these questions or similar questions should be stated in the beginning of a video series as they define the scope of content coverage.

I'm looking forward to watching the rest of the series.  I'm progressing from Music Creator 6 so there is a lot for me to learn!

Are you wanting to have the SD card in a SD card reader/writer and then physically move the SD card from the reader/writer to the Tascam or do you have the Tascam connected through a computer USB port as external memory?

For either case the computer must recognize the card or Tascam prior to opening  Cakewalk by Bandlab.  The computer will recognize either the card reader/writer or Tascam as external memory and will assign a drive letter to the external memory.  The drive letter will show up in Windows File Explorer so you can navigate to the drive.

If you're going to work in this manner much of the time you may want to have Windows permanently assign the drive letter so it will remain the same each time you use the SD card in the reader/writer or Tascam.  Also, you will save yourself some grief if you always connect the Tascam or SD card reader/writer to the same USB port all the time; otherwise Windows will want to install drivers every time you connect to a USB port for the first time.

Hi David,

Welcome to the forum.

According to the Sonic Academy website, Kick 2 should work with Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) and with most versions of Music Creator.  https://www.sonicacademy.com/products/kick-2

The plugin is available as a VST and as 32 or 64 bit.  The 64 bit, Windows version will work with CbB while Music Creator will use the 32 bit VST.

Hello Perry and welcome to the forum.

The image below shows the enabled Input Echo button on the track labeled Instrument T3.  Also note in the image below that Cakewalk by Bandlab (CbB) has a help module window that will display real time information about whatever location your cursor hovers over.

The help module window can be enabled by pressing the "y" key on your computer keyboard or by opening "View" > "Help Module".

I like the song and think the idea behind the song is good. 

I would eliminate the vocals at

White lines are flying x 4

White lines are flying/Movin’ and groovin’ x 4

I’m moving on…

and perform instrumental solos instead.  The bass is so smokin' throughout the song I would have the bass instrumental and electric guitar first half and the keyboard and drums second half.

Essentially copy the formula used in the instrumental break of Atlanta Rhythm Section's song, "Champagne Jam".  Listen here: 

You could also consider having two instrumental interludes with the first at the place I mentioned before and the second at the end of the song.  If you do two music interludes and have bass/guitar for the first interlude and keyboard/drums/guitar for the second interlude at the end of the song you can fade out on the second guitar part.  That worked real good for Supertramp on "Goodbye Stranger"  Listen how the guitar is going wild at the fadeout.  It like the group could play forever.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aykOwwRf-Q