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 Stuff you ignore in a DAW because you think 3rd party is always better or just didn't pay attention to it.

Sonar/Cakewalk

  -Cyclone seemed like it was ahead of its time.  It's still in there. Not really sure how to use it

   -The hidden plugins like the Percussion strip 64

  -Sonitus Plugins

 - Beatscape was a useful Rex player at one time.

  FL Studio Everything

 - Harmor and Sytrus are their flagship synth but after going through all of them I didn't realize you can create music with them. Their effects are overrated and seem to add new ones.

Live Suite

-Max4Live Takes some time to learn

Reason Studios

-Subtractor, Thor, and Redrum are still a beast to use.  They can suffer from neglect due to the shiny REs.  Redrum is my favorite easy to use drum sampler. 

I do come across many tutorials and templates using stock devices.  I guess some effects in Reaper are popular. Logic seems to have its own share.  I remember when DAWs were not complete and you had to buy additional plugins.  Some plugins at one time that were in DAWs were no better than demo software.

Maybe wait till it's $10.

 Has an annoying 3rd party downloader.

The included library is highly underrated. Unless you are a sample snob tell me those VSL strings don't sound good for budget library.

 I'd say IK leads the league. There's also PA and Waves.

18 hours ago, Eusebio Rufian-Zilbermann said:

For me, the Song Maker feature in MMM, coupled with a good palette of soundpools has a very high entertainment value. Soundpools are expensive at full price but, through Humblebundle, Fanatical, soundpool DVDs from eBay, etc., they end up around $2 on average

So does this program work like Acid.

Sad that they crippled Samplitude Studio,

Gaming accounts probably have the most attempts.

I remember one of the so called free items that came with Sonar 2 or 3 maybe was VSampler.  I still keep it installed despite being 32 bit.

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/vsampler-by-speedsoft

No longer developed but I liked it better than Kontakt2 for programming.

12 hours ago, Eusebio Rufian-Zilbermann said:

I need to classify my answer in several categories of "upsell"

The top of my list is Magix Music Maker. It is free in its basic edition. I got a few "enhanced" editions for free bundled with other products, multiple times, and ignored it for years, then one day I started playing around with it and... now I have upgraded to the full premium edition, expanded with more than 200 soundpools

Other entries in the "free to full" category are Native Instruments, from the various players to Komplete, and Plugin Alliance from a few freebies to... (I'd rather not look at the numbers)

For the category "free with DAW" and "free with Hardware" I have: The Melodyne Assistant that came with Cakewalk ended up in a full Melodyne Studio, the XLN Addictive Drums that also came with Cakewalk started me on the path to a nearly complete AD2 setup, and the same happened with AAS, from a couple of "session" versions to full versions of all the instruments plus many expansion packs. The Air plugins that came with Pro Tools got me into AIEP3. The various iZotope plugins included with SoundForge ended up in Music Production Suite. The SONiVOX EightyEight that came with a midi controller ended up in the complete SONiVOX colection. Sibelius First (that I don't remember what hardware it came with) ended up a full Sibelius license

The next category are the "free with magazine" (Computer Music): DDMF plugins, Xils Virtual Instruments, Audiothing MiniBit, Rob Papen RG, Hornet plugins, Synthmaster, u-he plugins and Virtual Instruments

I have reserved for the end the "did-what-no-other-has-done" category: Cakewalk. The really early versions that I saw I don't remember if they were actually shareware or they were "friend-shared-wares". I then got several versions in the "free with hardware" category (with sound blaster cards), until I upgraded to full versions  of Sonar. The unique twist came when it was "upgraded back to free"

 

I'm surprised by this.  I seem to have plenty of these versions and never installed them.

7 hours ago, cclarry said:

You can buy the Kontakt verison for $19 right now with the 60DIO code

975 MB hard drive space vs. the Soundbloat 3 GB.

Wusik X wasn't even updated.  If KVR had a shitlist thread it would be well above Aria Sounds.

If you started on Sonar and went elsewhere Bandlab is hard to ignore.

4 hours ago, locrian said:

With each new release it becomes more difficult to stick with Cubase...

I rarely use both but I don't feel like I waste my money on a S1 upgrade.

26 minutes ago, bitflipper said:

 

Singing is not all about pitch, that's a fact. But neither is Melodyne. There's way more to it than just scootching the line up 'n down. It also handles transitions, phrasing, formants, dynamics, vibrato, and timing. That's why I said "really good" -  meaning to go beyond its basic functions.

And realistically,  achieving proficiency with Melodyne is within the reach of more people than will ever become really good singers.

All this is just a little tongue-in-cheek. Everyone should work on their singing, just as everyone should practice their instrumental chops. We can always get better at whatever we do.

You wouldn't have to pay a singer for a lot of takes.

Singing is not a rocket science but the most difficult to master.

7 minutes ago, pseudopop said:

I recently did a half-serious attempt of using different tricks (including pitch shifting with Melodyne) to make my singing sound like a mob of children singing a nursery rhyme. I'm a bass baritone, so I knew it probably wouldn't work but I wanted to try anyway.

The result sounded like a drunken amateur drag queen karaoke performance.

So yeah, I'm looking at Synthesizer V very closely, too. Sounds amazing.

Sample that to Kontakt and make some money.  It would be a first.

17 hours ago, telecode 101 said:

This sort of makes a lot of sense.  Thats where I saw mention of it in some  indepth audio engineer forums where most of the people I guess are former tape engineers.

The reason I am starting to look at this is, I am starting to get a little worried where Cubase will go. Plus they are an American company.. it's nice to support someone local.

 They are heading in a much better direction.  They are changing their licensing to compete with other DAWs.  Yamaha is dropping elicenser because it just isn't as great as iLok.  Cubase is owned by an industry giant.

32 minutes ago, bitflipper said:

There is a third path: sing it yourself and get really good with Melodyne.

or get better at singing and less use of Melodyne, singing is not always about pitch

I wonder if we have gotten too obsessive with pitch being in the exact center.   There are zillions of recordings that existed before DAWs were vocals and wind instruments didn't hit the exact center.  No matter how great a vocal take is we reference it through Melodyne which mean we use our eyes more than our ears.  We do live in an age though were there are less talented singers.

11 hours ago, John Maar said:

Some peeps seem to be hung up on the size of the UDS (Ultra Deep Sampled) instruments. A normally sampled version, significantly smaller (equivalent to other companies typical sampled VIs), is available of each of those instruments. The UDS versions are meant for true professionals, which does NOT describe me.

Soundpaint needs some soundthinner.

Analog Orchestra is not on the list.

4 hours ago, Fleer said:

True. That would be the upcoming Mac Pro. But my eyes prefer working on a laptop. And this M1 Max with 64 gigs of ram and a 4TB ssd comes close to workstation level performance, while keeping its cool

Kinda curious on on that. Is it because of resolution?  It appears that some complaint with larger 4K monitors/TVs is that some software looks tiny that don't have resizable GUIs. 

Not available in English yet.

No matter how great they are I don't want to get trapped in Apple's Echo system.  I like tinkering with PC hardware.  I've been doing it for 20 years.

I got a deal some time ago for $8 a month until I end it.   I like it better than Groove3 and I don't know why.  I also get charged monthly for Groove3.  AS strange as it is I've grown to like Udemy more than both.

58 minutes ago, Zo said:

You got me on this one ... yep forgot the link .... 

But take it as an act of protection from me lol

specially around here ...

More seriously , their statement is clear : afoordable plugin from day one , no need to wait like PA ...

And for a product that has black bird stamped on it ...it s really appreciated ...

Just see the ssl fusion stufff , and they re the own brand lol ...

You are almost as toxic as Larry when it comes to GAS.   Trust me if this plugin was one of those $29 ones I would have bought it.  Then I'd probably run it on a drum loop and then forget I have it. 

55 minutes ago, Fleer said:

First synth!

No recordings exist.  It was also the first music subscription service.