Will.

22 minutes ago, john.mtchl said:

I recently made a thread on this, reposting looking for more help. 

I recently downloaded 2020.11 update, and immediately started working on a new song with no issues whatsoever.

i saved that project. left home for a few hours, when i came back decided to work on an old project that needed to be mixed. but i couldn't open my plugins. tried making a new project and bringing the vocal files over, still wouldn't work. i then restarted my computer, and one by one went through my projects trying to use my plugins. some projects you open and a plugin is pulled up from last time, and i can use that, but if i close it, i cant reopen that plugin. not sure what exactly happened, but would really appreciate any help you can give, as im supposed to be finishing up my album right about now.    

Have you tried to re-install the DAW? Something could have gone wrong there. 

22 minutes ago, chris.r said:

Drag a MIDI clip into audio track and get MIDI clip copied there is not the most expected behavior, but that's what we have for now. I agree it should get bounced to audio, don't even see any need for additional dialogue boxes, just make it 'what-you-hear' and if it's dragged from a synth track then add the tail.

😂 I hear you. I think we have to do it right. Drag down "box pops up" KEEP or BOUNCE" do your selection - done. Here's still a few midi users. Your way is fine too. 😂

Just now, Mark Morgon-Shaw said:

Is this close to what you want ? ( but without the need for a dedicated Streamdeck shortcut  ) 

Right on the nose! Although, we have to think about other users too. So a pop up dialogue box as suggested before, that prompts "keep the midi information"(for midi track users) or to bounce to track with audio information - like in your workflow right there, with its own individual shortcut keys. 

3 minutes ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said:

As mentioned in the I have sped it up myself  by binding the Bounce To Track Command to CTRL-B and then assigning a macro on my Streamdeck to also hit the enter key just afterwards so it seems like one action.  It's pretty quick and one key press.

Nice one Mark. 

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

If I understand correctly some users want a shortcut to bouncing a instrument track MIDI to an audio track.

You can already bounce an instrument track to a different audio track from the bounce dialog.

I guess I'm not understanding how this process could be sped up.

 

Hey Noel. Thanks for taking noticed on this post. I'll try to explain this in the best way in can, with detailed information. 

1: Right now without freezing the synth, if you drag the Midi information down from the Instrument track - it creates a "Midi Track with midi information." If you freeze the track, we get the Audio Information we want, that can be dragged down then, but with extra steps (not too much of a deal breaker) to unfreeze the instrument track again. 

2: I took some time earlier and read all the comments in here and you right, the "O.I" (Original Idea) became lost in discussions with a few holes in it - guilty. 

3: Some of things what was said above made good suggestion. The aim for this is in my "3rd and last GIF" I have added to this post. "Drag midi information from "Instrument track" to an Audio "Track with Audio Information" (Wav file.)

This brought me to a simple and quickest way that will speed up things a bit. 

With the drag down function: a small dialogue box that prompts "Keep as Midi (keep as is) " or "Bounce to Track" would be a better solution right now to speed up things. This will bounce the information to an Audio Track "dry only" with the output as that of the original instrument track. 

If there's a quickest way - awesome. For now, this can be discussed around the information on the idea given here - should there be any further questions around here. 

51 minutes ago, chris.r said:

Will, I'm not sure I understand you correctly, my basic English might be getting in the way. 

Oh - it came out as you were giving a workaround.  All good though. 👍

Does anyone have the same lagging issue with deleting a bus/surround tracks in the console view? I noticed this for the first time in new version after inserting a "Surround bus" accidentally. 

4 hours ago, Volodymyr said:

After opening Cakewalk i get troubles with audio system. Cant hear any sound and for solving that problem i need reboot.

 I am beginner in using cakewalk, dont know how to deal with it

Download Asio4All for your system if you dont have an interface (not needed, but it's better than defaultone build in to your system)

When you're done with the download and installation of Asio4All - hit "P" on the keyboard. In the preference under the "Audio Tab" click on "Playback and Recording">>"Driver Mode" and choose the Asio driver. 

Link

http://www.asio4all.org/

5 hours ago, jimlynch22 said:

The event inspector shows the pitch of the selected note,  not the Key  (scale) the music is written in.

So you only want the scale to be displayed, not the note and frequency it's written in? 

22 minutes ago, chris.r said:

just select MIDI, drag onto audio track and get audio clip... very simple, very efficient, very missing in Cakewalk

Hey Chris. 

Here's what you don't understand. Speaking for myself on this, because I am a sound designer too.

I'm well aware of that - I use it a lot, as you can see in the 2nd GIF above. Here's the problem and limitations.

With today's major 3 genre's being "EDM, Hip Hop and Pop," a lot of sound design goes in it. For starters: I create my own "Glitch effect with a midi file. In one "Bar" I can sit with +50 cuts per beat with a tick snap of 2-10 (this depends on tempo.) Some of those cuts get then transpose +2 or -4 in the PRV - depending on the effect I'm after. 

Here's the frustration part: 

Imagine creating your own "Granular" effect from the midi file with certain Segments/Regions having cuts on for some reason - and you want to convert them to Audio Information with the "drag and drop." Bet you after you've dragged down>zoom in to check if all the clips are (Because bouncing to clips for some reason dont wont on midi information) You'll have some of those cuts that didn't copy with - headache. 

So this "on-the-spot" right click for the "Bounce to Audio" without, having to deal with a "Dialogue Box" how you would like to deal with - would make such a huge difference with this. Obviously a "Setting in the "Freeze to Synth" or Track tab like the one there is now - to turn "Copy with FX" On or Off.

12 minutes ago, murat k. said:

In Cakewalk for now, after converting instrument track to dry audio track, copying all audio FX to dry audio track seemed to me a bit stepwise and I wrote a script to make it easier. You can copy & paste Multiple Audio FX by this shortcut script:

Copy & Paste Multiple FX.ahk 317 B · 0 downloads

Copy & Paste Multiple FX.exe 1.06 MB · 0 downloads

Just move the mouse cursor on the top of the FX Bin like that:

Shortcuts:
F6: Copy Multiple Audio FX
F7: Paste Multiple Audio FX

You can use these commands to apply multiple FX to dry audio track while waiting developers to make that feature. 

Nice one. 

54 minutes ago, chris.r said:

Dry audio output and then just copy the content of fx bin over to the new track? Could work... and there's nothing like that in Cakewalk iirc.

The tail would have to be added anyway because of the synth's internal effects.

You'll have the option to select the convertion with or without the effects or clip tail.

I think it'll be an neat feature to our workflow and creativity. 

40 minutes ago, chris.r said:

no bounce dialog window pop-up, just pure WYHIWYG 

Yeah man. With an option to change it's preferences in the "Freeze option" tab - or "Bounce to track" in the Track Tab to disable the "Wet or Dry." In my workflow I'd prefer a dry clip with this. 

I +1000 this feature!

On 11/15/2020 at 1:11 AM, jimlynch22 said:

The Control Bar currenlty shows the Tempo and Meter at the Now Time.  Showing the Key in a similar fashion would be just as useful.

There's a module called "Event Inspector." Click anywhere on an empty space in the control bar. 

You also have the option to disable some of the modules you don't need in the workspace manager. Go to your workspace tab and select "Manage Workspaces" and choose "Control Bar." 

I think there's a bug in it. I only noticed it now on midi files. If you bounce the midi it shows the key,  but as soon as you click of highlight the midi file again the key disappears. 

10 hours ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said:

The dialogue box is for what's included in the audio bounce.   I don't mean copy the FX that are in the source track's  FX Bin over.

Do you want it to apply the source's original FX to the newly bounced audio  ?  Or do you want the raw audio without any FX on ? Personally I would want them on ..others may differ then you're back to the 3 clicks and it's no quicker than it is now. Except maybe a bit easier to find. 

I think binding what we have to a keystroke is pretty close.  A macro or script shortcut is virtually there or thereabouts.

Press CTRL+T thats how it should "copy/bounce/render/burn/write" the Midi File to Audio track with the audio information. Without any effects on it - Dry as Mars. Obviously, the instrument FX inside itself wont be able to be removed with this, but if it's possible - hack yeah. 

You'll then have the option under the "Freeze synth option" to select how you want this feature to "Bouce/Render/Burn/Copy" the information to an Audio track for you. Like how it works now - Add or Remove FX.

11 hours ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said:

So instead of it being under the Tracks menu at the top of the Track View you want it on the right click menu , and instead of the Dialogue Box that pops up with the Source / Destination  and the various Bounce Options you want it to skip that part and automatically use the current selection  - leaving everything enabled (  FX - Automation etc ) and create a new Audio Track below the current one with the new Wav / Clip  ?

Not quite - there's a Yes and a No here. The "No" part is: We don't want it to copy the FX plugs in the chain. We want it to only copy the "clip/audio information" to an Audio track - from there you can add effects to it like with any other track. 

The YES: Just with a "right click" under "bounce to clips" and your track will be created with the "Bounce to track" feature. From here it will be treated as any other "Audio Track." 

A simple Idea that started from confusions and Arguments, Finally understood. This is why we need to ask question instead of just shrugging the OP off. 

29 minutes ago, chris.r said:

@Will_Kaydo this has been already answered here: 

 

Like skittles. 

1 hour ago, Michael Warren said:

Quite often I will copy a track or duplicate to use with another instrument. I'll usually use Paste Special. I'd like to see a checkbox similar to events that would allow me not to copy the articulation track. That would save me quite a bit of time. For example, a flute track copied to a Bass Clarinet and transposed down. I wouldn't have to delete all of the articulations I entered in the flute track.

35 minutes ago, chris.r said:

You're better off to mention it in the 2020.11 feedback thread so that they could see it now and take into consideration while they're still red-hot from working on it.

 

Just of the bet here:Cant this be done with Ctrl+A and then Ctrl+C in the current PRV instrument and then Ctrl+V in the newly created track? Without the Articulations being copied? Just a random question. 

EXAMPLE ONLY!!!

Here we go: 

This will give you the option to keep both Freeze and Audio information - in case editing is required on the instrument track, and only the highlighted region will be "freezed" by "right click." 

2 hours ago, murat k. said:

Hi Will,
Converting Instrument Track to an Audio Track with one single command can be useful.

Hey Murat, Thanks. Yeah I know, but it comes with disadvantages. 

Gif2: What if you can freeze the individual files to an Audio track with a feature by right clicking?  Right now, what I do is freeze the synth drag it down and do my "edits" and bounce the information on the "Audio Track" there, but this is a stretch at times - especially if you're just testing an idea with creativity. 

So, being able to "freeze to an audio track" by right clicking on the midi file, without having to freeze the synth first and then drag down - will be a much smoother workflow as you would still have the Freeze track in Midi and the "Midi Information" on an "Audio track" in audio information . 

Okay - I admit, I might have gotten the approach and idea towards my concept of the request wrong before. 

Gif1: At the moment if you want to bounce clips together after you've done a freeze and the audio clip has been edit with cut (as you might know, we cut and reverse certain sections on notes/chords in the region of the file/clip, a lot in EDM, Hiphop, Pop (3 major genre's at the moment.) This can't be done on the freeze track. I respect that, as you might want to go and unfreeze to alter a few information on it later.

I'm uploading the final thought to what I think, I might have meant with this. I'll try not to be long with this at the bottom. 

39 minutes ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said:

Cheers Will but I don't think that's what the OP meant. 

Personally I want all files to remain within the respective Project folder , it's much easier for me to keep everything together that way.  i.e all Project audio, CWP files, rough mixes and Final Deliverables are all in one umbrella Folder. 

Oh  "per project basis."  

11 minutes ago, marled said:

This is not what the OP wants, because

1. it is not per project basis
2. it affects also the load of audio files, there is no explicit "export" folder

Oh my bad.