Will.

I've just found an improvement myside. Although I was well within a reasonable quick loading speed process, im loading double the speed on project load without being connected to the internet. I was connected up until 10mins ago of creating this topic  

So to everyone with the slow project load claim issue, try disabling from your wifi and check your DAW startup load and project load. My startup is almost instant and project load takes about 4seconds from the previous 9seconds project load before. 

1 hour ago, whoisp said:

I am not sure why anyone would need more, current DAW with PC and software does not benefit from anything more. 24-bit audio recordings can capture a dynamic range of up to 144.5 dB and you don't need more than that in music on any digital platform. Meanwhile, 32-bit float audio can capture the absolutely ludicrous range up to 1,528 dB. That's not only massively beyond the scope of 24-bit audio, but it's beyond the scale of what even counts as a sound on Earth that will eat your file system when tracking to record etc 

 

True. If you dont do music for movies, 44100/24 has enough dynamics (headroom) record and mix in to eliminate any aliasing. 

I only use 48/24 if i have to create something for a commercial, or if i do a track for some end credits rolls on an episode or for a movie. Otherwise i record my artist and my own music in 44100/24. Never had an issue. Theres plenty of software out there that will demonstrate this to you if you do some tests with it. 

6 minutes ago, John Vere said:

2008!  probably back when audio interfaces ( sound cards?)  were still mostly 16 bit as well as CD's were still your delivery medium.  

You are missing the point with that article. 

@John Vere this article might shine extra light.

https://www.soundonsound.com/sound-advice/q-do-really-need-24-bit-recording#:~:text=The bottom line is%2C if,stressful and mixing rather easier.

13 hours ago, John Vere said:

Why would anyone use 44.1/16 ?  It’s a total holdover from the CD era.
As @OutrageProductionshas said everything in my world is now at 48/24 or 48/32. My new interface records at 32 and believe the rest will follow soon. 

 

Why would you want to record at the bit rate and deph with built in analog to digital (AD) Converters lowering the noise floor for you? 

If you can record in 441/ 24 or 441/32 with the exact same recording as 48/24 why would you want to waste precious system resources? 

Keep in mind, recoring at 48/24 does not give you better quality then 441/24. What bring you the quality is your preamps of your interface.  Higher bit only creates higher headroom. 

The only reason and times "pro4fessional" studios use 48/24 is when they record an orchestra. I've got first hand experience with this and it is only because at 48/24 there is a higher headroom and lower noise floor within the digital universe - not because its better quality. Theres only a handful of studios that uses actual true analog gear today. So far, every high end and big name studio I have been to uses AD converters.

With my last work abroad, I asked the artist why are you renting a studio? He said: they've got "better equipment." We got to this studio and I immediately laughed in side. After we were done, I showed him the AD converters and the biggest USB hub I have ever seen. Most gear had a Midi to Usb converter or cable. Guess what happens in that setup - lower floor noise because of the analog to digital converters.

If you dont do music for movies that uses surround sound files, then recording at 48/24 seems a little unnecessary for everyday use. 

9 hours ago, msmcleod said:

Just to give some perspective here.

The highest frequency a human can hear is around 20Khz if you're 21 or younger.  As you get older, this continues to drop.  I suspect the majority of users on this forum will struggle to hear anything over 15Khz.

44.1Hkz can reproduce frequencies up to 22Khz (so beyond human hearing). 16bit audio has a dynamic range of 96db across all of its frequencies. 

Compare this to tape: a maximum dynamic range 55db - with it's optimal  frequency reproduction between 120Hz and 800Khz (it starts to drop off either end of these frequencies).

Vinyl has a maximum dynamic range of 60db; frequency range is around 7hz to 50Khz (so better than a 96Khz sample rate).

However as far as dynamic range is concerned, vinyl and tape aren't even a match for 12 bit audio (72db), which a bunch of budget synths/samplers used in the 80's/90's.

Given that most tracks are of a single instrument, it's likely that the required dynamic range recorded on a single track is way less than 96db. 

Where things start to go wrong is when you mix in 16 bit - then you're dynamic range is significantly reduced.   However NO modern DAW mixes in 16 bit.  They all use at least 32 bit float or 64 bit float for mixing;  only going back to 16bit at the stereo master bus.

The advantage of recording in 24bit is you can record really quiet signals with no loss of dynamic range, and no perceived increase in noise. 

However, as long as you're recording signals at a decent level, there should be no issues using 44.1Khz/16bit for recording.... I mean, it's absolutely fine on CD.

Comparing 32 bit to 24 bit is problematic - 24 bit is an integer format;  32 bit / 64 bit are floating point formats.   Although you can store higher numbers in floating point (which is why it's great for mixing), you do lose precision at the extremes.

For a mixed down song, a 24 bit integer file and a 32 bit floating point file are equivalent in quality.

Exactly 441/24 you will find most "professionals" use. I have first hand experience seeing this almost every second month and when I travel. When you ask why, the simply respond, its unnecessary. If 441/24/32 removes the noise floor in the digital universe, why should they record at 48/24? That the geniune answer you get. Spotify, Deeza, Itunes these platform dont care about noise floor, but only the K-system.

2 hours ago, OutrageProductions said:

Most professionals and streaming/distribution services start from and derive their content from 48k/24b, so that is now the defacto standard. 

You'd be shocked at how in correct this is. Its what they want you to think. 

On 10/26/2023 at 4:26 PM, Keni said:

 but the small perceivable quality 

Theres  no such thing.

Recording at higher bits dont give you better "Quality"  Recording at higher bits only lower the floor noise within the digital universe of audio recording. The recorded file still stays the same. "Quality" is where the pre-amps of your interface comes in. 

I digress though. Lets keep this topic open to feedback only. You guys can create a fresh thread for this topic to continue. 

5 hours ago, Glenn Stanton said:

the SHIFT forces a horizontal or vertical lock on direction so if you want the copy to stay aligned with the track or the time bar, adding the shift while copying is useful.

Tested this now, Ctrl alone pretty much do the same thing

I probably have it as a shortcut which i changed long time ago. 

On 10/21/2023 at 12:13 AM, Milton Sica said:

OCCURRENCE
Steps to replicate the issue:

1) Copy an audio block using CTRL + SHIFT + PRESSED MOUSE BUTTON, DRAG TO THE DESIRED POSITION.
2) Create FX region
3) Choose VOCALSYNC.

For me the application aborted without any type of message.

You only hold down Ctrl+Mouse Drag to copy the data. There has never been Ctrl+Shift+Mouse Drag shortcut in windows. 

With Cakewalk always before. Two other DAWS I use, it really doesnt matter when. 

2 hours ago, musikman1 said:

I just updated to 2023.09 two days ago.  I opened CWbB today, and it's prompting me to update to 2023.09... again??  It's the usual prompt bottom right, blue box, Cakewalk just got better, etc.... 

Just now noticed two additional prompts, one is to Update Local Help, and the other is for Demo Projects available to download.

When I check the version I now have, it is 2023.09 (Build 062, 64 bit).   And I did re-activate two days ago after updating. 

Update again until it says something like "You're up to date, or You are on the lastest version" somewhere along those lines, I cant remember what it exactly says now. 

Theres a 2023.09.065 version also, before you get the lastest version. 

18 hours ago, sjoens said:

1. Open CbB and load project xyz with 2 instances of AAS Lounge Lizard and SI Bass. Plays normal.

2. Close CbB

3. Open 32 bit SPlat and load same project. Nothing was changed. Now it plays with both Lounge Lizards out of tune 28 semitones.  SI Bass plays in tune.  If I fix them to play in tune and save it, then CbB plays them out of tune.   

What would cause that?

Have you checked the Mod wheel on your keyboard? 

🤣 I've got something very interesting to say about the phrase "Dry Run" 🤣 But i wont. This is a family forum. 

You have to register for a discord account before you can login. 

3 hours ago, Sidney Earl Goodroe said:

With all respect, the forum has turned into a gossip magazine that is full of speculation !

 

So what you are saying is upper management and staff are lying? 

4 hours ago, Milton Sica said:

I have a great curiosity to be clarified. I know this is not the type of post for this topic, but I am very curious to realize that several friends on the forum who are not part of the development team address various solutions, directions, corrections, predictions, explanations as if they had access to some kind of of privileged information.
Would this be possible?

Yes we do! All you need to do is just read the forum. You will get all the inside priviledge you need. 😌

8 hours ago, Sidney Earl Goodroe said:

I am waiting to see whether there is anything of any use to my needs and if so, will gladly stay with Cake!

Theres plenty of new features and add-ons thats going to come with Cakewalk Sonar. The price will also be affortbale to everyone. All this was announced almost two months ago in the previous feedback release. Go look it up.

This forum topic is for feedback to the current release only which is also getting another update soon to this version. So please put this to rest and keep this forum topic open and stictly to only feedback. 👍🏽

4 hours ago, Sidney Earl Goodroe said:

Sunshine Dreaming has brought up the very point that as days go by becomes a very contentious fact to me!

 As I have repeatedly stated, I have almost 30 years of projects in the Cakewalk platform.  Users like me that have that much of an investment in this product deserve to at least know an estimated cost of moving forward with Cake much less concrete answers on how long CbB will be accessible and operational if they intend to completely ditch it!

What Roland and Gibson did was hard enough on dedicated Cake users! Now we are in complete limbo once more?

I know that part of marketing is to keep the new products under raps so the unveil will "blow your sox off!"

But when there are users that this marketing is forcing us to revisit the horrible days we went thru before and we have to worry about how to import 30 years worth of hard work into another DAW in whatever short time we have to do so, well , let's just say I feel ambivalent about this whole secretive market thingy!!

Don't think that clients don't come back to remix or add tracks to a project they so called were happy with ten years ago! It happens, believe me! Now what do I do when the DAW I did this project in is dead! 

I have opened CbB projects now in Sonar Platinum and X3 even. They open fine but you have to backtrack and remix some things to adjust it enough to work on adding anything, not to mention some features are gone such as articulation maps, etc. The prospect of importing 30 years worth of work is dark and dreary!

I love Cakewalk. They have been stellar with their support and the forum is the best people I have ever had the pleasure to hang out with.

Yes, I have Pro Tools, I have Samplitude, and I have Mixbus! They serve me well but Cakewalk has been the greatest joy to work in and now I  am in a position to say I would love to continue my relationship with Cake, but if we don't get answers pretty soon, I will have to close the door on it!

Again,  not out of anger! I'm just tired of the drama.

Now, excuse me while I get back to exporting 30 years of my life to another DAW!

 

[RESPECTFULLY]

It was said and explained many times over and over again. All your old projects will open in the new Cakewalk Sonar. It was the first thing that came from the announcement and if you love Cakewalk that much, invest in the new product. Nothing is changing, besides new features being added and getting a new facelift. It will still be the same DAW with the same workflow with just a new theme basically to say the least. 

So can we put this topic to rest now - its getting old. 

If your interface comes with midi inputs, than yes. If you have a USB E-Keyboard, than yes. 

On 9/29/2023 at 5:06 PM, Glenn Stanton said:

most pitch shifting plugins aren't great in low latency mode. i generally track without any plugins and try to use direct monitoring to avoid any latency effects in monitoring. and if someone needs a bit of reverb, i'll use the mixer built-in reverb... 🙂 then just adjust the recorded tracks by whatever the latency setting shows (e.g. if 5ms or 10ms, then shift things left 5-10ms) and done. i've found it just safer to get recordings without any possible glitching due to plugin overhead or even mysterious system occurrences 😉 

Seems like you are having some other issues here causing you to work this way. Shifting tracks offbeat to fix latency - thats not right. 

Drag it up to the top or use the shortcut keys SHIFT+D

CbB might get a last update to this release. It is in the 2023.09 release topic.

6 hours ago, sjoens said:

True.  There must be a reason they disabled the 'no module' preset, tho.   

😂 I dont see why there should be a reason thoigh.

Its just in the way. What sparked this request - on Monday when I was doing 40sec clip/song for a tv ad, I played around with the Pro Channel after many moons. Even when its off, if you move it above other effects on the channel it affects the sound/tone/character or colors the tracks. Which is strange. I havent used any of the pro channel effects in like 3 years. The module is removed from my default empty template. So this surprised me a bit. 

This is why I love my finish touches to my studio. It is little to dead at times, but it just bring my monitors to life, but sounds overly clinical too. This is perfect for pop and rock, but with my main genres of Hiphop and EDM, Its sometimes bad. 🤣 I just love this room now. 

Right click and remove Pro EQ would still be a better option which I prefer instead of altering ini.files. or what ever text files that needs altering. Thats asking for trouble in the long run. They can leave it for CbB but a remove option is best. 

Altering files is the reason why so many users have issues. They see something on the forum and do it, then when an update is available they think Cakewalk is broken, but forget that they had alter a TXT or Ini file that got overwritten with the update. So now new users comes on the forum and see theres problems with Cakewalk and stays away from the DAW. 

So its best for Sonar to avoid these issues with its new Sonar release and just bake it into the DAW - period.