Heath Row

9 hours ago, ptheisen said:

Perhaps a more accurate term would be 'non-updatable' instead of 'non-upgradable'. Here is what the PreSonus website Hybrid Q & A says (the bolding is mine):

Will I get bug fix updates to my version of Studio One Pro after my Studio One+ Hybrid subscription has expired?

All minor “point-point” or “sub-point” maintenance updates (X.X.1, X.X.2, etc.) will be available to you until the next major "point" release (Ex. X.1, X.2, X.5, etc.). If you are on version X.1 when your Hybrid subscription expires, you will be eligible for point-point releases X.1.1, X.1.2, etc. Your non-updating Pro license will not be eligible for a free update to version X.2. You can get access to the latest major point release by purchasing a Studio One+ Monthly plan, renewing your Studio One+ Hybrid plan, or purchasing a standalone Pro perpetual license upgrade (Pro-to-Pro) at any time. All three purchase options are available for users on non-updating Pro licenses. Prior supported versions of Studio One Pro will also remain available to you, should you need to roll back for any reason.

Ahhh yes, that's it, thank you, I know I had read it, as it is of no concern to me I would have just sped over it and not really taken it in, I have been on Perpetual license since I changed over to Studio One back in 2015 and no thought of changing my license arrangement. 👍

I don't pay Subscription, I'm on a perpetual license, if things go as they have done it's roughly 2 years give or take between major versions, like 5 to 6, 6 to 7 etc, so you are only paying every 2 or so years, give or take, all other updates between that are free.  I'm happy with the cost, and for what I get for the money I pay.

I could be wrong, but I think he's referring to the great Biro's snarky shots at people bringing to life old threads.

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Fluid IRs are an advanced form of impulse responses that encapsulate more detailed sonic characteristics compared to traditional IRs. Unlike regular IRs that merely mimic a speaker's frequency response, Fluid IRs also reproduce the speaker's dynamic behavior and harmonics. This enhancement delivers a tone that is more robust, lifelike, and direct, with better management of the lower frequencies

Starting from version 1.4.26 for Desktop and 1.4.55 for iOS, all cabinets in TH-U and all of the SuperCabinet libraries have been upgraded to include Fluid IRs, which are provided to users as a free update.

Now that's pretty cool, they are updating all the standard IR's and all the SuperCabinet Libraries are being updated.

Maybe at long last TH-U might actually be useful for something more than a Cab/IR loader, maybe it will actually sound good, I'll believe it when I hear it though.

Those Jensen Cabs are excellent 👍

On 4/26/2024 at 11:07 AM, Misha said:

Seems S1 is also listening to the ground.... Tempting.

C'mon BL. 10+ month is not "coming soon". Child is born in less time. Time to roll out those perpetual licenses. We saw the goods, we want them. No falling asleep. Your competitors are pretty much awake and alert  

23 hours ago, Misha said:

Steev, 

Ohh, I am patient. (a user since late 90s) Been especially patient last 10 month since Cakewalk death sentence was announced and coming "soon" wording was stapled      I am not worried about licensing, as different options were mentioned to be available. In my view delay and   unnecessary secrecy  of release simply frustrates people. Also seems BandLab doesn't move fast enough to capture DAW audience it needs, while others do. 

P.S. If BL offered similar deal to Studio1, I would be first in line.  In a sense I am glad that S1 done this promotion. Hopefully it will ring some bells to speed up release of perpetual Sonar licenses.

Just in case you are not aware, these Perpetual licenses with the hybrid thing are what they call 'non upgradable' perpetual licenses, whatever version Studio One is on when you complete your year/12 months subscription, is what your perpetual version will stay at, of course if you keep your subscription rolling your perpetual license will roll along with it.

PreSonus/Studio One also has the regular perpetual license available for purchase, which is what I have had since I jumped ship from SONAR Platinum in 2015.  

7 minutes ago, jadonx said:

is there a link to softube to find fix release notes as of now 2.583 and a general search cannot find them?

https://www.softube.com/support/change-log/2-5-83

Then work your way down, that's all I know of.

Just out of curiosity I checked out how many others there were like this in my VST3 folder, there were 73, well 72 I guess discounting TONEX.

No issues at all.

Just out of curiosity did you try just renaming the top level folder from 'IK-TONEX.vst3' to 'IK-TONEX' ?

There was discussion about this somewhere here in the last month or so, I read it but didn't take much attention as I don't use SONAR/CbB/Sonar and the issue doesn't affect me, but the above would have been my first stumbling attempt to solve if it did.

16 hours ago, stony said:

Upgrade from version 1 is € 39.

Codes in account.

Did you upgrade stony?

Does it overwrite the original?

I may have done Snapshot Maker/Player an injustice, I went back and gave it a bit more time, I purchased the Player and the 2 packs, 1 is DI and the other Full Rigs.

It has stuff missing like being able to disable the Cabs is my main one, I'm sure there is plenty more, but I just ignore them and take it for what it is for now.

I'm going to hit the Devs with some feature requests and see how it goes.

There only $5 each, bar the Maker which is $15, which I'm not interested in, same as I'm not for TONEX, so it's not exactly a big risk/spend.

I hope they get a steady stream of addon packs, but I fear that might not be the case, time will tell.

This might be the only Amp Sim I will actually use since TONEX came out, and I pretty much own everything. I can see this getting some use as is with the 2 addon packs and the core set, I already have some people liking it.

TONEX will still be the most used, and certainly in my personal projects etc, but I will follow AA Snapshot along and see where it goes.

Ok, come on, who signed up 9983 times? come on give it up.

Joy, there will be no joy here, only brief moments of insanity that may mimic joy, but we are all stuck in a never ending hell with no hope of escape!

TONEX is where its at, IMO nothings come close. I wasn't expecting much from this, but good to see them have a crack at it, and now I've run the demo my expectations came true. You can mess around tweaking and get something passable, but that will be my first and last outing with Snapshot Player just as I thought it would be unfortunately.

Melda, well I'm not a Melda fan to put it mildly, although I did buy MGuitarArchitect, after giving it a look for a couple of days, never opened it again, I doubt they will come near TONEX, just that none of thier guitar stuff has really done anything to date, but if they do well good on them, it will be the second Melda plugin I own. 😉 Always up for something better.

7 hours ago, MrFigg said:

Waiting on the Melda one. 

Well, you might be waiting a while, not long ago they added to MGuitarArchitect, in their own words 

"the third-party Neural Amp Modeller (available as a free amp profiler plug-in from Steven Atkinson)"  .

So they added a third party solution to their latest and greatest Guitar plugin, which was only recently-ish released, make of that what you will.

Then again, who knows?

With Snapshot Maker you get both Maker and Player, so purchasing both wouldn't be needed I believe.

Except it's pure DSP

Snapshot Maker

Is the new software that will convert your physical guitar rig into a digital version. Our pure DSP automatic modeling technology will recreate you entire signal chain (Tube Screamer, Amp, Cab and, Mic, for example) with an incomparable and realistic quality.

The capturing process will take only 30 seconds, after that you can enjoy the digital version of your Rig.

After capturing your signal chain the Snapshot Maker will generate a file that can be used with the Snapshot Player to reproduce the capture of your Rig, then you just need to Plug and Play!

You can use the Snapshot Player as Amp Simulator in your Daw's guitar track, loading it with your own "Snapshots" or our own.

In the image above you can see the simple setup you need to capture your Physical Rig.

The Reamp Box is for optimal circumstances, but without it the final result is still as good as with it.

Snapshot Player

The Snap Shot Player is the software that allows you to load the captures, you can use it as "Amp Sim" insert in your Daw's guitar track. The Stand Alone version can be used to playing around without a Daw.

Snapshot Player is loaded with 20 captures of different rigs for Clean, Crunch and High Gain tones.

If you want to try out more tones, we have 2 Snapshot packs captured from physical amps:
VT-PB C100 Pack, captured from a VHT Pitbull 100
and
RockBlast Pack with captured of a EVH5150, Randall Diavlo 45 and a Bugera 1990.

https://audioassault.mx/collections/snapshots

On 4/13/2024 at 4:22 AM, kitekrazy said:

IS there a direct link to download the full Cakewalk installer instead of the update for archiving?

The app only downloads the update.  I'm sure it's not the full installer.

Tired of these download apps.

 

Check your PM

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On 4/4/2024 at 11:44 AM, Starship Krupa said:

Could you elaborate on that? My understanding only goes about as far as Craig's.

I'm just a lowly Studio One Artist license holder, but I'm interested in what's bothering the faithful.

Is it that they see it as a slippery slope? A disturbing trend?

Locking products behind a sub wall is dewsh enough for me....

I've been going mad trying to find this post where the dude puts it better than I could, but I was looking on the wrong site, I was looking and looking, going off my tree, then the penny dropped

It's a little long, and I guess in 'jibba jabba' territory, but seeing as it's not actually me, I'm fine

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Originally Posted by x445r6 ➡️

Is this cryfest about a new synth that probably few people need?

No, this is NOT a cryfest over a dumb synth. This about the fact that Presonus is changing the licensing model significantly, in a way that in essence pushes people into a subscription model, even though Presonus says they aren't really doing that to customers.

However, they are not being entirely honest with their marketing copy and responses thus far. They have devised a "hybrid" model that will co-exist along side the old perpetual licensing system, which would be just fine if that's all it did, however, it now restricts all "add-ons" to be exclusive to Studio One+ members as can be seen on the website's shop, at least as of today. Perhaps they will change this for the better. But as of now, this includes things that were previously available to buy separately, even workhorse tools that were commonly purchased by Studio One Pro power users like the XT editor. That's a big deal.

So now if you want things like that, which in some cases is essential functionality to some people, you MUST be part of Studio One+ because the XT Editor (and all other Add-ons) are "Only Available in Studio One+" according to their own website. The new synth that they released, called Lead Architect, is also only available to Studio One+ members. You cannot buy it separately.

So while it's true there are a few people who are "crying" about not getting the synth for free (it doesn't sound that great IMO), that is NOT the larger point. The point is that even if you WANT it, you can't buy it separately. But more importantly than that, by far, is the fact that they have moved other much more important add-ons to exclusive status. In other words, the "old" pro license owners who do NOT want to subscribe, are now basically demoted to a lesser status and cannot buy licenses to other more important add-ons. And Presonus just doesn't get this point so far, and they keep responding as if people think that perpetual licenses are being discontinued. Again, perpetual licenses are NOT being discontinued, but the EFFECTIVE result that Presonus has introduced here, is that you are essentially forced into a subscription if you want all the other add-ons.

Now there are some people who have stated that you can still buy those add-ons directly through the Studio One app, however this flies in the face of the big banner on the actual Presonus online store and the items' listings, which state, specifically, that the add-ons are exclusively part of Studio One+. Take that for what you will. If that's because of innocent oversight, error, incompetence, or even duplicitous marketing tactics, I don't know what to make of that other than it adds to the confusion on top of a terrible roll out of this new model. Again, not a good thing.

In any case, it's clear that after promises that perpetual licenses would not be going away after the Fender acquisition, Presonus has actually doubled down on the whole subscription concept, while "technically" still allowing perpetual licenses, yet at the same time restricting some nice features/add-ons to the Studio One+ subscription. This is disingenuous at best, and deceitful at worst.

So it's not about crying about a new synth. It's about demoting the class of customer that actually built the company's success.

Some people are indeed taking this further, for example, by expecting that they get the synth for free, which is NOT the big issue. It's that you can't get the new synth even if you wanted it -- along with many other add-ons that are more important -- without becoming a subscriber.

In other words, IMO it is a de-facto forced subscription if you want all the best tools for Studio One. But they have used different language, wrapped it up in a "hybrid" model so people who do NOT want a subscription will perhaps take the bitter pill more easily. I don't like to be cynical, but it's easy to see that someone might take that as basically insulting. Again, it's NOT about the fact there is a subscription option, that's fine if people want to subscribe. It's about the fact that you MUST become a subscriber in essence if you want any of the add-ons, some of which are very useful tools. Again, Presonus can reverse course, which I hope they do.

Now people can cry about a dumb synth all they want, but some people are seeing this as the sad end to an era, and some speculate this is a result of Fender's pressure on Presonus to increase subscription numbers. However, whatever the truth is, Presonus is handling this very poorly, and they are alienating some of their long-time loyal user base. Is it a surprise that some of them think, what's next? What other tool or feature arbitrarily tagged as an "add-on" will be made exclusive to Studio One+? At what point do you run into problems collaborating with someone who is subscribed and uses all the add-ons, but you do NOT subscribe and therefore don't have access to those add-ons so you can't collaborate? You can't even BUY them if you want to. And again, this just shows that traditional pro users with the old model are not treated the same as subscribers now. It's a two-tiered system. And that rubs some people the wrong way.

On top of that, there are still numerous doubts about how the "hybrid" model handles add-ons in general over time, adding more uncertainty to users. For example, what happens to people who buy the hybrid membership, then cancel it, then revert to a perpetual license, and then what happens to their now-essential add-ons? Will they keep them? Will their old projects still work 100%? Will the add-ons only be active or updated when you are back in the subscription? It's just not a good thing all around. Again, the uncertainty is also part of the problem, with poor communication TBH. And it basically means they didn't think this through IMO and yet they are pushing VERY hard so people subscribe, one way or another.

So if you see someone b!tching about any of that, and then you see the tone-deaf responses (so far) of Presonus, then you can see why some people are considering dumping Studio One and moving to another DAW.

Finally, on a positive note, it's possible Presonus will change directions after reading all this feedback, which would be a really good thing. Waves did it. Bitwig did it. Maybe Presonus will do it?

It was all sparked off by the 'cryfest' comment, but the dude is far better than me with words, and covers it mostly.

https://gearspace.com/board/showpost.php?p=16968211&postcount=72

It's practically all there, and available at other 3rd party vendors,

https://www.jrrshop.com/presonus?dir=desc&order=special_from_date

 it's as you were for us perpetual License people, it is all good on the home front 👍

and now it appears a new store is in the works, but apparently not ready yet, and the 3rd party bit was a stop gap measure, whatever . . .

It looks like things could be turning, or perhaps were originally meant to be that way but poorly communicated, I'll go with the former.

With regards to Studio One addons, they wont be available only to subscribers, they will be available to all but not through the PreSonus shop, for non subscribers they will be made available via 3rd party means.

I have withdrawn my knee jerk reaction to dump Studio One, and will stick it out and see how things pan out, there are just to many things I don't want to leave behind, many of which can't be found elsewhere and/or in the way they are implemented in Studio One, and the workflow is just unmatched imo.

17 hours ago, RSMcGuitar said:

As someone who has had perpetual licences since v3, this is probably their worst move I've seen and I'm a Studio One user and fan. Look at the Youtube comments on the video Presonus posted about this update, really says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmPtTyX_1eE&t=17s

 

9 hours ago, Craig Anderton said:

What people seem most upset isn't about the Artst/Pro/+ split, but that Professional users can no longer buy the addons they bought in the past. The only way to get the addons is through a subscription.

You might just find it's a little bit more than that.

I own practically everything there is to own that is worth owning, everything I want.

5 hours ago, Bapu said:

I don't give two hoots about DAW addons or DAW specific tools. As y'all know I have a plethora of 3rd party tools to choose from.

The DAW needs to work the way I need it and as of now Studio One 6.6 perpetual does what exactly I need. I will continue to pay for updates to Studio One Pro perpetual just as I will continue to pay for updates to all the perpetual licensed DAWs I have (except Samplitude 🙂 ). 

How will you be when you go to buy your  upgrade to Studio One 7, when the only way to do it is via Subscription?

Beware at the fair.