Sridhar Raghavan

SCOOK - I tried that. I added a Marker on the track - so I have a time reference. I added an event; set channel to 15, kind to Patch Change, Double Clicked the Data Area; Selected Normal, Bank to 15. But cannot enter the Patch Number to 1 (or any number). Can only pick from the drop down list. Looks like I have to load a Custom List there to pick from - or populate using INS definitions. I just picked, just to test, the second item in the drop down list. I set a different Style on my PA600 Keyboard and MIDI to receive. I played the track on Cakewalk - music played, but the Style did not change on my PA600 Keyboard, Stalled on two things: Need to populate the drop down list properly - was skipping it for the test. Second even selecting a patch - is not having any effect. Not sure whether Cakewalk is generating the intended MIDI sequence. Will recheck if I had made some error. Is there a MID IN/OUT monitor utility in Cakewalk? Otherwise I will have to route MIDI Out through Midi Ox or similar, to monitor what MIDI is coming out of Cakewalk, Just more pre/tangential work for what I intended as a quick test. User 905133: Yes CC#0 and CC#32 are in decimals. I meant only 0xBF is in HEX. regards

In the Music I have been creating with/for the Korg PA600 Keyboard, I make generous use of Performances/Styles, changing them a few/many times during the song. Each style is a set of instrument assignments with desired parameter settings, to each of the 16 tracks. (Rhythms as well - but we can keep that out for now). Below is an example of a Style Select MIDI Sequence -- essentially it is a Bank/Program Select sequence. 0xBF,0,0 0xBF,32,15 0xBF,1 (This selects the Style Item: User favorites, Page 1, Entry 2) How do I insert this sequence in the Midi Track at a desired point in the Midi Track? So Styles are changed on the keyboard during playback? I have many MIDI songs created outside Cakewalk, with such style changes and they all play fine on the Keyboard. I thought this would be a simple thing to do. But I am not finding a way to do this. Possibly I have not navigated to the right place yet. My recall from the manual is, that I could insert a sequence of MIDI messages through automation or via events list at any point in a track. I do see two actionable: Menu bar->Insert->Bank/Patch Change.. and Menu bar->Insert->Multiple Controllers.. But neither of them work for this need. What I can insert seems to be limited to a canned list. Strangely that includes RPN, NRPN etc. but does not seem to include Bank/Program Select. I wanted to test this basic thing before I move to explore the power of Articulation Maps. Look forward to your thoughts

scook et al. I am pasting the BOLs of Mridangam of Swar Plug. It is actually a Python code I generated by extracting information from a PDF file. It is not an *.ins file nor a drum map. Just contains all the information needed to generate them. Should be a simple text editing task and running the ins2map. I am posting this, just in case it comes handy to any one else, before I start the work on drum maps. If some one familiar with drum maps (develop, test) can go ahead and create the map - nothing like it. Appreciate your moving this to the right area in the forum - so it is visible to everyone. swpmridangam = { "kum":[36], # C3 , kum "gumsl":[37], # C#3 , sliding gum "toms":[38], # D3 , soft tom "tom":[39], # D#3 , tom "kum5":[40], # E3 , kum low "kum4":[41], # F3 , kum slightly high "kum3":[42], # F#3 , kum higher "kum2":[43], # G3 , kum high pitch "ka":[44], # G#3 , Ka "ke":[45], # A3 , Ke "deem1":[46], # A#3 , deem "deem2":[47], # B3 , syahi deem "deem3":[48], # C4 , syahi deem soft "ki":[49], # C#4 , ki "chap":[50], # D4 , chap "ta":[51], # D#4 , ta "ta2":[52], # E4 , ta variation "na":[53], # F4 , na "nam":[54], # F#4 , nam "kree1":[55], # G4 , kree "kreem":[56], # G#4 , kreem "kresf":[57], # A4 , kree soft "krem2":[58], # A#4 , kreem 2 "deem4":[59], # B4 , deem 4 "dom1":[60], # C5 , dom 1 "dom":[61], # C#5 , dom "domsf":[62], # D5 , dom soft "chapu":[63], # D#5 , chhapu "chpu2":[64], # E5 , Arra chhapu "krans":[65], # F5 , ke and deem "klam":[66], # F#5 , ke and deem 2 "seq1":[67], # G5 , tirekite tam "seq2":[68], # G#5 , tirekite tom } regards

Clovis very nice work. You can add Korg PA600 files to this collection - which I posted earlier and moved to the right place by scook. Would be wonderful if there is a possibility of seeing Technics KN1400 ins files in your collection, in the near future. regards

scook Thanks for the pointer. I picked the .ins from here - will see if there are any augmentations. It was never endorsed by Cakewalk. The old Cakewalk forum had a section for user created software and content. There were a handful of users, including myself who contributed. Revamping drum maps has been on the Cakewalk to-do list for some time. So wonderful to have you and your colleagues here -- with invaluable knowledge and passion, and the heritage.

Great. Perfect.

Understandable. But happy that Cakewalk has endorsed it and has not broken his work. Hopefully not any time soon.

scook Can you point me to any sample/ valid file for use with ins2map, for a quick test and for use a model? regards

scook Thanks so much. This is fantastic. Inspired by your note, I posted a separate post for sharing the INS files of Korg PA600. I downloaded ins2map and looks like it was what I was looking for and would adequately serve my needs. Generating drum maps from [augmented if necessary] INS file is wonderful. Given this, I assume the format of Drum Map files are available some where here. I will read the other thread as well. regards

I am using this topic to post two instrument definition files: Tone map.ins DrumKits.ins Inside the file you will see the name of the creator and links. I got these files from a friend in Korg Forums a few years ago. I used it with some custom code I was writing in Python, a few years ago. This is the first time I will be using it with Cakewalk. Since I have not done it yet - I do not know what issues, if any, are there. But hopefully there are others who can use this as well, even before me. If you do let me know how it goes/went. regards Korg PA600 DrumKits.ins Korg PA600 Tone Map.ins

I have gone through the topics here as well as the net. I will have to create several Drum Maps to work effectively with a range of VSTs/plugins. So far I have seen only processes for creating Drum Maps via UI - which is quite tedious and painful. I find it personally intriguing, as software is supposed to spare Humans of such tedium. I am not faulting Cakewalk at all for starting with the UI approach, but the product & community not moving at all beyond that for years is rather baffling. I have some basic questions: a) Is there any text based specification tool that can generate the Drum Map Files? b) If not, is there a file format description for the *.map files? Those files seem to be in some binary format. It is hard for me to see reasons for keeping that under covers. If (a) is NO, can Cakewalk team provide (b)? I am happy to volunteer and create a tool to create/manage Drum Maps and post it here for everyone to use. Cakewalk team can take it and evolve it as fit. It will make it lot more easier for using [drum VSTs in] Cakewalk. (In line with the stated goal of Cakewalk/CEO). I hate to say this, but that is what I would expect any Engineer or Computer Scientist to do. Define a text file format, so the full power of text processing is available for creating maps. Transform the specs and generate the destination file. This should be a straight forward task - especially here, knowing what the Drum Maps do. This tradition started almost the same time, if not before, the Computers came into vogue. Programming Languages, Specification Languages, Compilers are great manifestations of this, and have a long and mature history. regards

Thanks for the tip Starship Krupa. Done.

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Colin I am happy to know you have already made a feature request. Makes so much sense to have the feature, whatever [simple, logical] building block is used. You can count me in. How do I add my vote to this?

I went through most of the past posts related to this topic, and I am unable to develop a clear picture of the "actionable" conclusions. Hope some who was active participant in it can summarize for everyone.. Thanks in advance. At present, I can feed my external Keyboard (Korg PA600) to many Simple Instrument tracks, record/play them back. No issues. So I am wondering why.. I can create a MIDI track, with MIDI IN as my Korg Keyboard -- This is just Input->Output with nothing going on. but not able to set its MID OUT to the IN of other tracks (that can/take direct input from the same Keyboard) - Unable to do this. Am I missing some setting while creating the MIDI track? Alternately, whether the other Simple Instrument Tracks can take their MIDI IN from this MIDI track? Unable to do this also. This is a pragmatic question and not just a curiosity question. If it is not possible with Cakewalk basic mechanisms, for whatever reasons, it is just fine. Would be good to know. I will skip details of what I can do with RTP-Midi, loop Be, and Virtual Midi Ports. regards

scook thanks for confirming it. I was using the "insert" dialog panels, until I discovered this ADD button. Though functionally it may be equivalent or even less, I find the "active" interaction nicer. regards

I am referring to the Add Track window one gets by clicking the + icon in top area of Tracks View. Wanted to check if there is some setting to Move or Un Dock and Move. I would like to move this panel closer to the center of my large screen, so it is easier for me to work with. I find this panel useful for interacting with while adding a Track. It is not a show-stopper, but inability to MOVE, as if it is a context menu, is rather strange, and an unnecessary annoyance for me.

David Baay and bitFlipper Thanks for your tips. I was able to run all my 32-bit plugins in Cakewalk without any issues, at least so far. DSK India Dreamz [Sitar, Sarod, Veena, Tor, Tabla] runs fine as well. But I cannot recall now, how I was using that VST with the Scale Tuning file!! and on which DAW. So, I am stalled for now. I may have to look at the other VSTs in the list. regards

Star Krupa You should feel very good about it. It is a case of Name Matters. I am very happy that I made that instinctive choice - and will also explore racing green, as well as the new updated pack by Mathews. I have placed the Themes work on hold to sort out the other environmental idioms -- getting Swar Plug, Native Instruments working with Cakewalk. regards

Thanks for the quick tips David Baay. I will give this a shot later today with DSK Indian Dreams.

All I am starting this as a new topic, so it is not buried in another thread. I have already read the few existing topics and conversations related to this. Here is a gist of what I learned/reflected from there: a) Not clear whether VST 32-bits can be run in the latest editor Cakewalk. Likely Answer is NO. b) Whether there are some indirect methods for running them. May be? c) VST 32 Bits are ancient -- so why bother? I disagree. I will address this last question: i) DSK India Dreams is the only free DSK I could find (which I used for several years in Ableton 32 bits for example) that supports Alternate Tuning via Scala. I have also run this under other DAWs whose names escapes me for now ii) DSK India dreams has Sarod and Veena and few other nice instruments which are hard to come by. I checked on this on the net as well. Some of the links I found were dead ends or simply not inspiring my trust iii) Talking about ancient, I wonder why recent generations have not caught up with Alternate Tunings that was available in DSK? Alternate Tunings are not "ancient" but represent the "future". So what is "ancient" and what is "modern" is not a simple view point. True DSK India Dreams has not been updated to 64-bit, I can understand that, given that there is just one man behind DSK, while Cakewalk and similar have, to use a proverbial expression, "an army" behind it. They ought to be leading the Music Technology front given the vantage of their huge following. iv) In this regards, as I mentioned in my earlier post (on Tuning) Swar Plug and Native Instrument India Series have some claims to support Indian Scales -- but these claims cannot hold, as there some basic foundational/design flaws. I do not want to elaborate on those, as it will be discourteous and uncivil to discuss them here. They can claim many things on other dimensions, d) Some of you have pointed me to list of VSTs. I have not looked at them in details. So are they? 64-bit VSTs with microtonal support, what are their interpretations? support Indian Instruments like Sarod, Sarangi, Veena? Appreciate your thoughts and wisdom on any of the above points a,b,c,d. My intent is keep this focused on the pragmatics of using Cakewalk to play Indian Instruments with Indian Tuning/Scales. And keep out other discussions, that are away from this bulls-eye, as much as possible, Until I can get the Tuning capabilities worked out, I guess I may have to ignore most of the VSTs (instruments). regards

Great Matthew. If you can also include the download link, it would be nice/handy.

I just stumbled into this issue -- Unable to see the You Tube Publish menu under the File->Export->Audio->Format. Now I know, from this thread, that this is no longer available, though described in the manual. But, not before spending some time navigating through various menus to diagnose what setup step I had missed, and decided to check in the forum. if there are many such instances, I am just guessing there may be more.. It may be good to consider releasing an Updated Version of Just the Ref Guide with such sections with a watermark [or some such indicator] Not Available. Just a suggestion..

Here is a link to Scala Downloads page of HUYGENS-FOKKER.org https://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/downloads.html I felt that I should post the link, rather than simply share the files I downloaded from there 2-3 years ago. There is plenty of information and assets there, for your interest. See the Scala Archive at the end of the page to download the SCALES.ZIP. That contains many scale definitions, especially for Indian Tuning expressed as ratios (in my PDF I listed them as adjustment in cents to Equal Temperament Pitches)

lapasoa Good thought but more or less redundant to my context. As I have been considerably soaked in the context for general directions from others. I would add the following: Classical Indian Musicians -- YES. But keyboards and Synths are No-No in that world for many reasons. North Indian musicians use Harmoniums, but serious one use custom tuned ones. It was banned for use for a few decades because they were not pure. In South Indian Music, Harmoniums are never used as they just cannot produce the needed musical/microtonal patterns. Film Music Composers of Previous Generations - YES. They were outstanding maestros in Indian, Western and their Fusion. Wish they were alive and I had personal connections. Current Generation Music Composers - I hesitate to make any generalized statements. I am sure they are using very Expensive Technologies meant for high-end Professionals. I would love get my hands on those for trying/discovering. But they as a source of knowledge about Tuning/Music etc.. I may not lose much passing on....