Starise

Spitfire GUI. Looks as if we can change the key switch if wanted.

Matthew,

I  I'll look into it some more. See my attached pic. I set it as EO . EO is the designation in BBCSO CORE so possibly the mappings are different.

6 minutes ago, Matthew Sorrels said:

When I load BBCSO Pro in as an instrument it appears to have a default key mapping for every instrument.  I'd think it would be best to just target that.  I don't think the Spitfire Audio plugin supports the CC on a single key UACC KS mode that the Babylonwaves uses for the Kontakt instruments.  Keyswitching is about the only real choice, using whatever the defaults are (I think it's everything starts at C-1).

I thought Cakewalk's articulation maps are just JSON/XML text files.  It might be possible to edit them using text editors rather than having to create them inside Cakewalk.   That way you can't lose any work and can easilly duplicate setups for multiple instruments/etc.

Thanks Matthew. Yeah the defaults are pretty consistent across the range of instruments with a few exceptions. I haven't run these mappings through the paces to any detail yet. I know the key switches are all correct. Might need to look at the switching methods used. BBCSO Professional might have a few more compared to CORE but I thought it was mostly mic positions you gained.

I made  an articulation Map for BBCSO CORE  HERE. This would go into your Cakewalk CORE articulation maps folder or you might be able to import it by finding your download location.

All key positions are mapped and designated.  Some of the instruments carry common keys witches. Others do not.

If it needs tweaks let me know. Switching designations in Cakewalk articulations should control these instruments.  The articulations were the same across all strings so I made just one map for those.  Same with some of the brass. In any case where maps were the same , I made maps that should cover all those instruments.

20 hours ago, Matthew Sorrels said:

When I built these templates Cakewalk didn't have an articulation manager.  So the short answer is, yes, adding that to these templates would be awesome.  The problem is it's 56 instruments with a lot of articulations each.  Even if you use someone else's articulation maps (So you don't have to do all that work) you still will have to load and assign them to each track.  It's a fair bit of work, even taking every short cut you can manage.

True. 

I sat down last evening to write the maps myself and about and hour and a half into it Cakewalk locked up on me. I lost all of it. I might attempt it again today later.

Just so you know, the articulations are the same for all the strings, so you can simply reuse that template over all of them. Similar thing with the brass. All but I think the last few are the exact same map. The lower brass omits a few of the articulations. 

That's as far I as I got before the crash. It was past midnight by then and I gave up.

I have a question though. I was only writing the key assignment to the map. Should anything else be changed? I think the default is CC.

57 minutes ago, yukohime said:

Thanks !!  I appreciate your positive comment.  I'm curious what program do you use for making video as a reference ?

I use  Magix Vegas and Movie Maker for my smaller projects. 

You are a very talented guitarist .I enjoyed your work. The video was excellent! Thanks for sharing. Good message and music here!

Some people use Cakewalk for video work. I have not had very good luck using only Cakewalk and use other programs for video. I don't often make videos. I mostly make only basic things so my video programs are basic. 

On 12/26/2020 at 1:16 PM, jack c. said:

great recording. at the start the strings have a tad too many highs try low cut filter or eq high end.jack c. it sounds just like a pro symphony!the end needs a little tightening.

On 12/26/2020 at 3:54 PM, bjornpdx said:

Definitely cinematic tho I think it needs a fuller sound. Maybe add some/more reverb or slight delay? Double tracking?
Drums need to make their presence known - more boom!
Evokes a nice dramatic scene, like marching soldiers.

Thank you for comments on this.  May I ask what you're listening on?  Just a brief explanation of my signal chain for drums. I rolled off anything below 40hz (slope)  or it would eat up my overall signal. I EQ notched out the muddy mids at 250-500 but nothing more than a few db. I added Boz Bark Of  Dog 2 on bass channels and boosted the bass in the "thump ranges with it. I'm using a very high quality reverb with a hall setting. Lows rolled off on reverb. I am side chaining into the Cakewalk master compressor at 100hz or under. I have it set low so the needle is barely moving. I am sending anything bass to that side chain. For master I am  using Fabfilter to roll off lows below 30hz.>McDSP 4L4000 and following it up with a small amount of peak limiting at the end. Once again I'm keeping things less muddy using that plugin. I haven't cut any bass above 50hz. Open to suggestions.

On 12/27/2020 at 7:13 AM, Wookiee said:

Epic sound, but @Starise hope you do not mind me saying it sounds just a tad MIDI, perhaps  nudge here and a nudge there just to move the timing around a bit.

22 hours ago, garybrun said:

I have listened to quite a lot of your stuff... this one seems very mechanical ... not real... cant explain what I mean.
I understand where you are coming from... seems a little to much false!

Sorry... we all paint very different pictures and as you know when we invite people to critically listen to our music we then get critical replies.  🙂

But the average guy in the street wouldn't notice what some of us talk about and would be happy listening on his ear buds or phone 🙂

6 hours ago, Bajan Blue said:

Exactly what Wookie said! Apart from that I like it

Nigel

 

Thank you for bringing this tyo my attention!

No midi programming here other than sliding the odd note here and there.. I must be a very exact player  🙂 

The only thing mechanical is I'm using the free Big Bang orchestra in the synchron player for only the low strings and brass. The synchron player still requires a person to "play" it.  None of the runs in sychron are automated all hand played. But maybe that's what you hear. Drums are Sampletank 4 hand played.  Violins are played in with Amadeus. Horns are SONiVox hand played. 

Thank you!

I just picked up BBCSO CORE. I will probably not be inclined to load an entire 55 plus template and will instead be using sectionals catered to. I would like to have all articulations on hand just in case.

Shouldn't this be easier using the new articulations manager? I wondered if anyone else has already done a per section setup? If not and I can find the time, I'll be looking at this. Would be super nice to drop in a section and simply pull the associated articulation off of the list. A real time saver.

Thoughts?

 This track is a Frankenstein of sorts. It wasn't made using only one large orchestral sample library. I used a little bit of almost everything. I have some Vienna synchron player, some Sampletank, some Sonivox, I loose track of what all else. It's a real hodge podge but it was fun to make.  I was thinking movie cinematic when I made it today. Comments welcome from all, especially from those who might have made music for film. Thanks.

I liked all the low end on this. For something supposed to be centered around winter I was referencing more similar tracks I have heard. I didn't think it sounded anything like any of those. It sounded good though and would fit this subject.

Hi David,

Very nice music. I didn't hear anything overt around that place. If it was there it was very small. Maybe a tiny little pop. I would have to listen a few more times to be sure I heard it frankly.

Great mix of instrument choices, Would fit an NPR slot nicely.

Thank you guys much appreciate your views of the music and mix. I've been trying harder on the mastering end lately.

Merry Christmas from the countryside of Lancaster County Pennsylvania.............right down the road from cclarry though we have never met.

It has been an amazing plugin year ( one has to look on the bright side). Great forum. Great people . 😃

Thank you Douglas and Lynn. I hope you have a nice Christmas!

The title of the music is figurative to reality. I hopefully see the "mist" rising on 2021 so far as the pandemic is concerned. 

On a deeper level, men see now as  through a mist. One day men will know as they are known. Not all men. Hopefully most men.

The mix was a little more complex on this one with lots of plugins, routing, automation etc. Due to the genre I didn't want the mix too up front. More like evenly balanced and not harsh with a lush space.

Made 100% in Cakewalk using various VST instruments and plugins. 

I'm sure Milo likes this one.........and the rest of us too. You've still got it Kenny. In fact In think it's getting better.

Nice job Makke. I like that relaxing electric guitar. 

On 12/23/2020 at 8:38 AM, Boomin36Beatz said:

all sounds very good and well placed👍

nice and lovely

All in all for that kind of music Good work.

All the best

Boomin36Beatz

Thank you for comments and listening!

On 12/23/2020 at 8:57 AM, Johnbee58 said:

Some of the world's best music is minimalistic.  Beautiful!

🙂 John B

 

Agreed John B.

Thank you.

On 12/23/2020 at 10:19 AM, kurt soderquist said:

Very pretty and relaxing.

Thank you Kurt.

22 hours ago, jack c. said:

job well done.if your using vst plugins for this song which ones are they?
jack

The guitars are Sampletank 4 and the flute is Celtic Whistles .V2 Thanks for comments.

This is a timely thread. I was working on a recent project and needed a bass. I have some pretty hard hitting basses like MODO bass. 

Since the project was getting heavy on my cpu I used a Dimension Pro bass patch thinking I would later swap it out. Turns out the dimension pro bass sounded better in that mix. I like to use Z3TA+2 locked/synced to other synth tracks when I'm working on those types of genre. In that capacity it's really tough to beat. I can usually get some great things happening pretty quickly using the existing patches in it.

Excellent work Douglas.

Very basic construction instrumentally. Guitar and flute.

Almost a magical feel to this. Like a daydream. I loved the flutes and percussion!

Keep at this. Coming along nicely. 

Top notch in every was HS! Thanks for sharing!!