John Vere

forget it.

So where is the audio from the midi sound modules going? Remember in the other thread I described why you either need an interface with enough inputs for that audio or to use the Mackie for a sub mixer. Midi cables only carry data, not sound.

Can you open CCC and log on there? You must have been doing that on the old computer to stay up to date and your password would have been saved by your Browser. If you used Chrome that should If you have all of your old installers you can re build everything with that. There should be serial numbers and activation codes which you also hopefully copied down to a notepad or screenshots as well. If you can't get at CCC then you could try the offline activation which I do believe is still working as they never killed the servers. The old Sonar stuff is really nothing to Bandlab, it's not their responsibility, it is up to the individual to make sure they kept the old software and all serials etc. on file.

My observation has been that midi controllers that came with drivers behave better than the ones that use generic drivers.

What is critical as to how this question is answered is if the project is midi or if there is audio recorded. If this song is only midi then drawing a tempo map will work but that will certainly make no difference to the audio. If there is audio then you need to: A-Record all audio to a metronome that follows a tempo map ( easy to difficult depending ) B- Record all audio with a midi backing track that includes the tempo changes (easy) C- Learn how to use Audio snap that can speed up and slow down audio that is already recorded ( Difficult and mixed results ) D- Play your song they way you want it on the guitar or piano and add parts without quantizing them ( easy but song might be sloppy)

Well I'm a wimp and I took the path of least resistance. I followed directions and dropped the original into the new version and tried a few times but then the guitar parts all went weird?? So I did the right thing and poured a glass of Glenlivet and re sang it and guess what-- it's was even better! So there's always more than one way to do something in Cakewalk- I highly recommend the Glenlivet VST.

Yes the old forum has probably 400 pages on the topic your welcome to Google your question there. Bottom line is they have no plans on charging for the software. In the year they have owned it the focus has been on bug fixes which is what 99% of us had always wanted. If there's a feature missing you want you simply buy the DAW that has it. https://help.cakewalk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002366114-Why-are-you-giving-Cakewalk-by-BandLab-away-for-free-

Not dissing the device, they were awesome recorders in their day and my MD 8 was very similar to the AW16G with the difference being it used Mini Data disks for storage. I had a very good set up with my MD 8 midi synced to my Atari and my Yamaha 01v mixer. Full automation mixdown etc. I also had a MD4 track so this gave me 12 tracks of audio and 16 tracks of midi. Those to this day are still some of my best recordings. I think one of the pitfalls with a modern DAW's is all this "unlimited" audio and midi tracks and the zillions of VST effects options. Amature "engineers" will tend to toss all that in just in a simple song and end up with 40 badly recorded tracks when 8 real good ones might have sounded much better.. With my old system I had to make sure each track was perfectly recorded, there was no turd polishing after the fact so you mindset was different. The 01V did give me a lot of effect processing power but you still only had 2 effect busses. I also looped in a Alesis reverb. I could even do automated mutes to edit out glitches. I was very slow to switch over to using Cakewalk but the Atari was doomed to die so I had to get on board. At first I was only interested in the midi but soon learned that audio was much easier too. But to this day I still keep myself to very limited track count. I could totally get buy with an 8 track and midi unless I was using real drums,, then I'd want 16. But I guess my point is - ya you could fight an uphill battle and get the old girl working, I don't see why it wouldn't,, but if you think it through, there's nothing that machine can do that you can't do with a DAW and the proper audio interface. Example is I could use my 01v as a control surface and even rig things up to mix down like I used to but it is just clunky to get it all working properly. The MD 8 I sold for $50 to a very happy man. He totally was not into using a computer and has made some very good recordings of his songs he writes. I'll add this little story too because it's relevant to your machine. Mine only had the 2 XLR mike inputs like the AW 16. Those I found out were Yamaha's bottom of the line pre's they used in Box mixers. I blew mine up under warranty and because I was a Yamaha dealer I got to talk with the technician at the headquarters in Ontario. We had already had to return another unit with the same issue so he agreed to upgrade my pre amps to the top of the line they used in the Pro consoles. So just be aware that those pre's could be low quality. Your audio interface might have better pre's and A/D which is what is most important overall.

The CbB installer is not saved unless you make a copy of it after it downloads. This from scook- http://forum.cakewalk.com/BandLab-Download-Locations-m3753980.aspx The process *currently* deletes the install files after installing (given it's 1/2GB, I think this is poor practice), but it's stored in C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\bandlab-assistant\Downloads The bandlab assistant installer will be in your download folder unless you deleted it. But your friend shouldn't be having that much trouble. It's pretty straight forward. I think it works best with Chrome.

Most of what you say is also true for me. I'm just so used to my keyboard shortcuts that I tend to reach for those first. And like you the way I work on stuff I need at least 4 different set ups quickly available. And yes working on a laptop is a whole new ball game and quickly becomes a chore just to do simple things like open PVR. I've got this figured out and involves a lens I made for the Laptop.

There's no known reason NOT to be using CbB over the old Sonar unless your one of those weirdos who are still using 32 bit OS.

Not saying his set up is bad, but would he have not been just as far ahead with a 2i2? I fail to see the extra money for the 6i6 is worth it in this situation. He already has midi, and if what you are doing is recording the modules in separate passes then 2x2 would suffice. I have a 6i6. In reality it is only a 4x4 for most people unless you own a SPDIF device.

Well what you've done is bought an interface that falls short of your requirement. You mention not wanting to swap cables around but you will do exactly this because the 6i6 only has the 2 rear panel line inputs and you said you have 2 stereo sound modules you depend on. So to record the 4 tracks needed you'll have to use the front panel inputs as well. No problem, but then when you go to record your guitar or vocals you'll be swapping cables and setting the line/instrument toggle in mix control. You could use your mixer, but looking at it's options for monitoring it's a bit of a cludge too. You could plug everything in but now your forced to have only 2 tracks out and use the AUx 1 and effects sends to hear the DAW playback.

I found the following here https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/yamaha-aw1600 Published October 2005 By Tom Flint Yamaha breathe new life into their AW range with USB connectivity, ( Whoo Whoo) It's been a few years since Yamaha last released a digital multitracker in their AW range. In that time the original flagship AW4416 and the mid-range AW2816 have both been discontinued, leaving only the more basic AW16G in production. Firstly, the hard drive capacity is now 40GB ( Whoo Whoo ) instead of 20GB, which means that there's room for a few albums' worth of 16-bit, 44.1kHz projects . ( Amazing resolution!) 40GB is also big enough to cope with large higher-resolution projects, which is handy as Yamaha have added a 24-bit mode too. the track count is reduced to just eight in 24-bit mode. The sample rate has been left untouched at the CD standard of 44.1kHz. ( Nothing like the best) Also in line with some of the competition is the introduction of USB 2.0 facilities, making it possible to back up files directly onto a computer hard drive instead of relying solely on CD-RW as a storage or transport medium. Given that the AW1600 has an onboard sampler, the USB port is also very handy for exchanging sample files, and those musicians who prefer to use software programs to edit their audio will also benefit. It's even possible to run MIDI MTC and MMC signals via USB provided that the driver software found on the included CD-ROM is installed. One other I/O change from the AW16G sees the replacement of the optical S/PDIF socket with a pair of phono sockets, Yamaha's reasoning being that they are a more commonly used format. Yamaha AW1600 rear panel houses eight combo jack/XLRs. One of the main innovations on the new machine is the Pitch Fix tool, which makes it possible to salvage out-of-tune vocal performances.

I'm glad you posted this as a week ago I tried to copy a vocal track from an older version of the same song to a new version. I loved the way I sang the song ( Into the Mystic ) that first time but the tempo was 4 BPM too fast. So I re did it and have done a better job overall of all but that lead vocals.. Getting old sucks and I just can't sing like I use to. I knew about the continues track trick so I opened the original project, bounced to one whole track and named it so it would be easy to find. So I opened the new version dropped it in and farted around for I don't know how long with audio snap and gave up. So I will try following your instructions and see if it works this time. If it does't I just might resort to using Melodyn

Question, does our lowly version have the features shown in the Video or do you require Studio? Sorry I'm a long ways away from my DAW right now otherwise I check. But as I said I think I'll be taking the plunge soon and finally learning to use this tool.

First- Your only problem is the lack of good audio driver for the Mackie mixer. if it had an ASIO driver you would not need to buy anything. But don't toss it aside yet. Option 1- Make the Mackie work with asio4all or WASAPI. . The Mackie might not support WASAPI which would be the first thing you should try. If that doesn't work go ahead and download asio4 I used it for over a year for just midi work, not audio and it was fine. Not ideal because there can be timing issues when not using ASIO drivers.If your plan is to work with audio then you really need an ASIO driver to avoid audio syncing issues. Asio4all is NOT ASIO, it is a WDM wrapper. Option 2- Purchase 2x2 Audio interface and run the stereo outputs of the Mackie to the interface. Before you buy an interface read my shopping list of features, the interface that works for one person is not always the one that will work for you. http://www.cactusmusic.ca/Recording.htm#AI Shopping List This way you can keep all your stuff plugged into the mixer and save money on a simple interface. All you would need is any 2x2 interface which are around $100. ( example this-https://www.sweetwater.com/c695--USB_Audio_Interfaces/low2high?params=eyJmYWNldCI6eyJOdW1iZXIgb2YgUHJlYW1wcyI6WyIyIl19fQ Downside might be this won't work if the Mackie mixer doesn't have a way to isolate the headphone mix so the DAW playback does not get sent to the main outputs. Then you go to option 3 or 4. Option 3- An audio interface with all the connections you require so you can retire the Mackie. Example this one https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/US16x08--tascam-us-16x08-usb-audio-interface Option 4 - A USB Mixer with proper drivers https://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Soundcraft/?m=Soundcraft&amp;sb=&amp;pn=&amp;params=&amp;hide_info= There are other small mixers that come with ASIO drivers but I choose this one as it had exactly the features I needed. I just started using mine as an interface just a few days ago and it work brilliantly. We bought it for our duo and have only used the USB for playback. I'm recording about 5 things right now, Vocal, Acoustic, electric, dobro and mandolin. I've also dusted off my old Korg 05/Rw and a Lexicon reverb unit. With the mixer I can leave everything plugged in and ready to go. I also have a Tascam 1641 which has 14 inputs, but the mixer gives me a full blown channel strip for each instrument. It even has a Hiz input which seems to improve the tone of my Mandolins PU. There a limiter on the vocals which helps catch overs. It has many monitoring options and what I chose was to use AUX 1 and 2 as my sends to the DAW leaving the mains as my hadphone and studio monitor mix. You can even solo channels. I just mute all inputs but the one I'm using. And the headphone mx is LOUD. something you don't always get with most interfaces.

What often happens to me is I'm tying to name a track and the dialog box looses focus. Now I've just told Cakewalk to guitar= G- Go to time U- ? I- Open inspector T- Tools opens A- ? R- Record If I was naming it Vocals V- Show Video pane ( this happens a lot! O- Open C- Control Bar A- ? L- Lop mode

Well the Vocal sync was only a minor success. As Craig said, works sometimes. And not only that, I find it best to just avoid regional effects. They seem to create other issues. Chuck- The actual original audio files are left intact in the audio folder. Splitting audio only creates references to the original audio file it does not alter the original file. I used to use the envelopes until I discovered the keyboard short cut S as well as the fact you can drag the mouse to highlight and delete. I find this method is more precise and for me much faster. It is closer to the workflow of a wave editor. I work on the track soloed, You can quickly listen to your edits and make minor adjustments buy dragging the clip start or end. Perfect for removing breath intakes a split second before the word. And the fade outs can clean up falling pitch artifacts. Not only that now you are totally free to add an uncluttered volume envelope for mixing purposes. You can see in my screen shot that there is only the 8 files created as I originally recorded. If I had recorded the vocals in one take there would only be one audio track. My splitting resulted in there being over 20 clips but still the same 8 original audio files. .

I always work with short clips anyways. Once I'm 100% happy with a vocal track I work my way along and highlight and delete all "silence" Most times there is in-breath and even headphone bleed this really cleans things up and it doesn't take that long. I also add fade in's and outs to cover other artifacts. So I tried it and it worked. Seems the rendered part shows the original waveform on top and the new adjust one on the bottom. In the first shot you can see the harmony ( lower track) was late on last to phrases. Vocal aline seemed to correct this perfectly. Cool.

This might explain why I just had a weird experience with "freezing" a Dim Pro Acoustic bass track. I'll admit I've never used the freeze function before not needing it in the past. But while my 2nd DAW is at my friends I'm forced to use a 3rd machine and of course it doesn't have all my VST instruments authorized. So I just thought I'll freeze the instruments and that would also free up memory. I assumed the mix would not change but it totally did for some sounds. Dim pro is also "out of tune" I found many samples that are not pitch correct. Try the Vocal- Male choir.

I've never used this feature and was going to give it a try today as I'm just laying down some harmony parts. So am I correct in assuming the harmony parts phrasing gets synced to the lead vocal? I was also going to try the phoney way and use Melodyne but actually singing it seems easier .

For those who don't trust to open word doc files. Show/hide Control Bar C Show/hide Inspector I Show/hide Browser B Expand/collapse MultiDock D Show Tools HUD T Preferences P Project > Insert Marker M Show/hide Video Thumbnail pane V Show/hide Aim Assist line X Resize all tracks vertically to fit in window F Manage track visibility H Record R RTZ W Play/Stop SPACEBAR Go to time G Loop on/off L Snap to Grid on/off N Zoom tool Z Scrub tool J Split selected clips at Now time S Mute clip K Open Quantize dialog Q PVR Show/hide the Track pane H PVR Invert track visibility V

I just thought I'd share my cheat sheets I made. First here is the official long list: If anyone here can admit to using all of them - cheers to you! https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&amp;language=3&amp;help=KeyboardShortcuts.html#1306347 But for the rest of us, I made 2 sheets. The first one is the plain one key shortcuts I use the most. These are super important to know because these are the ones that are easy to toggle by accident. The second is a edited list of the combination keystrokes I might use from time to time. Keyboard shortcuts.doc Keyboard shortcuts complext.doc

I now see we are possibly guilty of not reading and understanding the manual for these features. But that said everyone who has posted is a long time user and I would think software features should not be elusive to those who are long time users. It has obviously become WAY overcomplicated. I just read this thread a few times and I've learned a few new things, but still on trying to apply them to real life everything is still....well elusive to me. Basically we have music to record and not much time to dig that deep into the software features. Over time we slowly learn. This feature is over 5? years old? so I guess it's slowly sinking in..:) Generally I just leave everything alone. Because I use 2 monitors there is no reason to flip between too many views. With the multi dock on my second monitor I have only to hit the tabs to flip between Console and PVR. I'm more likely to use the old double click the midi track trick to open the PVR. But then I was setting up a laptop for my partner to work with and was forced to use only the one ( lot smaller) screen. I set up a workable view and named it "Laptop" I had to open all 65 projects on the laptop and minimize the Multi dock and re save. Dual screen projects will open with the Console view full screen and the custom lens didn't seem to change this. But once they are minimized they are easy to make full screen again. Here the trick ( Micv) A single click on the docking tab will open dock views half screen, but a double click will make it full screen. I still have to use the minimize arrows to get rid of it but I'm sure there is a keyboard shortcut. Keyboard short cuts are important and I'm always game for a new one. Just a while a go I learned the B = hide/show Browser I = hide/show Inspector these give you instantly more screen space. Also shift B = hide/show buss pane I use a lot. https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&amp;language=3&amp;help=KeyboardShortcuts.html