Vinyl or tape stop? I need help with creating a very brief "grind to a halt and restart" effect

[Starship Krupa]

Here's an example of what I'm trying to do, it's fast and smooth and fits the rhythm. I have multiple POWERFUL FX that do tape and vinyl stops and spin-ups, but this effect eludes me. No matter which one I use, it doesn't sound right rhythmically and I there's also something happening that isn't found in my standard tape stoppers:

 

[Chaps]

59 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said:

Here's an example of what I'm trying to do, it's fast and smooth and fits the rhythm. I have multiple POWERFUL FX that do tape and vinyl stops and spin-ups, but this effect eludes me. No matter which one I use, it doesn't sound right rhythmically and I there's also something happening that isn't found in my standard tape stoppers:

 

I looked at some videos of Melda Production's MRhythmizer and MTransformer and they look like they can do that.

[Starship Krupa]

1 hour ago, Chaps said:

I looked at some videos of Melda Production's MRhythmizer and MTransformer and they look like they can do that.

I have both of those, and have messed about with MRhythmizer in my quest. It probably can do it, I just haven't been able to figure out how. Much as I love MRhythmizer, I'm completely dependent on presets, because despite having it for years, and really wanting to incorporate stops and glitches in my own work, I remain innocent of any clue how to either create a new preset or even alter an existing one with clear intent. I've tried reading MeldaProduction's "documentation." I've tried watching video tutorials.

I also have Stutter Edit 2, as well as a number of other plug-ins that can do tape stops. No luck so far with any of them. I can get them to do what they do, which is simulate the sound of a tape deck stopping and restarting, but it's nowhere near the effect I want to create.

There's possibly something in the timing of it I'm not getting, and maybe some extra pitch manipulation. Been banging my head against it off and on for years.

Figured I'd throw it out to the hive mind. Thanks for replying.

[mettelus]

3 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

I also have Stutter Edit 2

Stutter Edit 2 will do that more easily (I still prefer the GUI from Stutter Edit 1 for some odd reason). That snippet from the OP would require running multiple tracks (stems, or even elements for some effects done) through multiple Stutter Edit 2 instances (locked to the DAW tempo), since the sample elements buffered are discreet. Stutter Edit needs to see them discreetly to achieve that, so it couldn't be done on a single, combined track.

Side Note: I haven't looked at Stutter Edit in a while, the other reason I still prefer 1 over 2 is the visualization of the effect when making edits. 

[Amberwolf]

I haven't done that specific effect with it yet, but the way I have done something similar (for just one track's sound) was to slice up the audio clip into very short lengths (shorter and shorter slices closer to the "stop"), and use the clip properties pitch change in the notes and cents sections to adjust by ear each slice downward in pitch.  

I don't have plugins that can do this sort of thing, except in multiple steps with different ones, so it was actually easier to do it that way.  

 

 

[mettelus]

Stutter Edit is rather complex when you delve into the guts of it. Basically, it is fed a buffer and then can manipulate that at will, but that is where the complexity starts. It can be set to take in no more audio buffers (so holds the sample being processed) if desired, but the slicing and manipulations are all done automatically based on the presets which can get intricate to say the least (some of the complex presets are simpler to start with, depending). One thing that does throw folks at times is that you can shut the "Stutter" off, so the FX can be used in a more traditional music fashion. While the stutter is fun to play with, I have yet to use it myself in anything... maybe if I do a cover of Rock Me Amadeus at some point.

Although, to your point, if you want pin-point accuracy on what gets processed, that is sometimes simplest by copying that portion of audio to another track so the input buffer is constrained to only that copy.

[treesha]

Not sure what you are going for or what FKFX vst do exactly but I have one or two free ones I haven’t explored that seemed to do some intense choppy/ distorted rhythmic stuff if I’m remembering right

[Starship Krupa]

5 hours ago, treesha said:

Not sure what you are going for

It's those bits where the sound seems to lurch to a brief halt and comes back right on the beat.

I found a video about Kilohearts Tape Stop (free in their Essentials bundle) where a crucial part of keeping the rhythm is to set the stop length to a 1/4 or 1/8th note.

Tipper is a giant of this genre, trying to emulate his signature production tricks is a daunting challenge.

17 hours ago, mettelus said:

Stutter Edit 2 will do that more easily

I'll take another crack at Stutter Edit. I went so far as to work all the way through the Producertech course on Stutter Edit 2 and it STILL baffles me.

Some of the Stutter Edit 2 presets have elements that get close, but I haven't even figured out how to dissect presets and pull out what I want.

It's a confusing interface with all of its switching between different modes, and I understand why you would prefer a simpler interface.

There's an element of what all of these things do that I have been unable to wrap my head around, and that's the bit about loading the audio into a buffer. My brain just derails when I try to "get" it.

[mettelus]

Do you happen to have Stutter Edit 1? I need to re-open SE2 to look at it again, but the GUI took a step backward IMO. I just took a look at the SE2 documentation and realized (again) why I do not like it. In SE1 pretty much everything is on one page and has identical controls for each parameter you enable, including the visualization of your buffer position per effect (which is HUGE for me to be able to use it). They added more to SE2, but being able to actually see how each FX is working with that buffer disappeared from it  That is one VST where it would be really nice to be able to buy an older copy, but iZotope has been religious with purging the market of older software at release time.

[Starship Krupa]

1 hour ago, mettelus said:

Do you happen to have Stutter Edit 1? I need to re-open SE2 to look at it again, but the GUI took a step backward IMO. I just took a look at the SE2 documentation and realized (again) why I do not like it. In SE1 pretty much everything is on one page and has identical controls for each parameter you enable, including the visualization of your buffer position per effect (which is HUGE for me to be able to use it). They added more to SE2, but being able to actually see how each FX is working with that buffer disappeared from it  That is one VST where it would be really nice to be able to buy an older copy, but iZotope has been religious with purging the market of older software at release time.

I don't have Stutter Edit 1. Stutter Edit 2 had already been around long enough for iZotope to have it in one of those $10 blowout sales that were more common before the Native Instruments merger. I had discovered Tipper and Telefon Tel Aviv and reaaaaally wanted to delve into glitchy textures. I picked up Break Tweaker around the same time.

Unfortunately, with both of them I've so far only been able to use the presets, with very little alteration. I treat Break Tweaker as a preprogrammed drum machine and Stutter Edit as a preprogrammed effect. Nothing wrong with that, except I would like to be able to hear a sound in my head and then take it to fruition in a direct line sometimes rather than scrolling through possible options and going with something that sounds cool. Two different ways of approaching an effect or instrument, and while I don't mind using cake mixes, to use a metaphor, I'd like to be able to start from (pun) scratch. I'd like to understand how to get results from the ground up.

I use canned beats from time to time, but it's also valuable to me that I can play live, physical drums, so I know how to cook up my own beats from the ground up. I'd like this to be similar for the many, many glitch effects I have.

[mettelus]

The "from scratch" aspect might be a huge pill to swallow, very similar to programming a synth, or Meldas Multiparameters, from scratch. It might be easier to work with a preset gesture that is close, then disable all but one FX at a time so you can deep dive into each separately at first (extreme highs/lows on parameters often help here)... then start layering them back up as you wrap your head around them. Be sure to save gestures as you go once you tweak them to your liking, but dissecting existing presets might be a better approach for learning. Also work with a simple sample at first, so you know the base sound well and what is going on is obvious (especially how the buffer is grabbing things it is working with).