Any Experience with Any Users Co-Mixing on Sonar Remotely???

[minminmusic]

So...recently I was working with @Noel Borthwick on a bug on my system...and he remoted into my system and took control. That got me thinking...this project I'm working on could benefit from some mix tweaks from my co-writer (I'm in Nashville and he's in South Florida). He's familiar with Sonar having used it for years...but his systems are somewhat old and I don't expect him to update anytime soon. Plus...the project is huge, I'm using plug-ins he doesn't have etc. 

So...trying to think through a way to:

Have him remote into my system and be able to control Sonar through my computer at the same time as me.
Output my feed to both myself in my studio but to his studio as well.
Be able to talk with him (possibly see him as well) in semi-real time.
Last wish...if the remote software supported dual monitors that replicated what I was seeing on my dual monitors...that would be a bonus.

Sessionwire subscription and TeamViewer? Anyone have any experience even piecing this concept together?
 

[Glenn Stanton]

the main issue will continue to exist until we can harness the "spooky quantum connection" because latency is the real killer for remote work. so even if the video and control movements seem "fast enough", you're still likely to have at a minimum 200-250ms of latency on audio when using network communications and computers. your phone seems nearly instanteneous because the human to human communications has natural pauses etc. but when you try coupling that with screen video and intermediate computer processing, you'll definitely see and hear it. 

 

[minminmusic]

I recognize that and wouldn't ever expect it to be "real time". I've heard good things about both Sessionwire and ListenTo. Why either don't have something like AnyDesk built in is beyond me?!?

I'm guessing I could use Sessionwire, ListenTo or OBS for the audio portion (and possibly the talkback feature to communicate though worse case that could be done as a separate Zoom or Facetime call).

I could then use something like AnyDesk (or any other recommendations in that light) to grant remote/shared control to my system.

I would never expect it to feel to the remote user as seamless as me sitting in front of my own system but looking for a way that they can get in and somewhat muck about with the session.

[Glenn Stanton]

i'm thinking you want sufficient audio for their audio system - otherwise how to mix effectively? 

basically try things out and see. i used to do some remote recording with friends (high speed internet is essential) and with some effort to ignore the latecy effects, and then re-position tracks to align, it's possible... 

[mettelus]

10 hours ago, minminmusic said:

but his systems are somewhat old and I don't expect him to update anytime soon.

Another consideration is the amount of "live video" you are proposing may quickly become a resource/bandwidth issue on either end, depending on the resolution of that feed. Audio unto itself is much simpler and less constraining, but when you start including video you can easily start getting into issues in both areas. As Glenn mentioned, it is worth trying out to see how it suits you, but don't set expectations too high and be prepared to dumb down the video resolution if necessary. Any "remote control" aspect adds another layer of resources that may be prohibitive.

[minminmusic]

Yeah...that's why I threw in Facetime/Zoom on a different unit (i.e. iPad, iPhone) figuring the focus should be on audio streaming and remote control of my pc.

[Noel Borthwick]

If all you are doing is mixing try using splashtop. You will have to use wasapi shared to send the remote audio. Can't use ASIO. It works quite well to control a remote PC and listen to it's audio output. 

To use it on a local network is free but over the internet is a subscription. Fairly cheap though.

[Max Arwood]

I have used Anydesk before in combination with Sonobus (for the audio). Those two make a pretty nice pair.  You can use any remote app just turn, remote apps, audio off, and you sign a bus for your audio. 
Farplay is another contender

[Bass Guitar]

https://sonobus.net/      Sonobus can be used for real time audio over the network. There's no video but remote listeners can comment on your mix and you can make changes in real time for them. 

For Video/ Audio I would try OBS studio. https://obsproject.com/    

It  allows me to have Sonar running in ASIO mode. I've used it to shoot tutorials and never had an issue or had to use WASAPI. Your interface needs to have the Loopback feature for it to work like this. I've never tried streaming but it would seem it's no different than screen capture. 

Edited 21 hours ago by Bass Guitar