cabrol Posted Friday at 01:54 PM Share Posted Friday at 01:54 PM Hello, First, excuse my bad english, I'm French But i try to learn. Here is a strange issue for this new version, that i didn't have when i was using Bandlab for the same track... When i export a midi section in audio, the sound is completely different. Here is a video. Could you explain me that *****ing issue ? Vidéo.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmcleod Posted Friday at 02:53 PM Share Posted Friday at 02:53 PM 58 minutes ago, cabrol said: Hello, First, excuse my bad english, I'm French But i try to learn. Here is a strange issue for this new version, that i didn't have when i was using Bandlab for the same track... When i export a midi section in audio, the sound is completely different. Here is a video. Could you explain me that *****ing issue ? Vidéo.mp4 I've just tried a similar thing with BBC SO, and the frozen result is the same as the live MIDI. Could you send a copy of your project to @Jonathan Sasor? We can take a closer look at what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted Friday at 03:08 PM Share Posted Friday at 03:08 PM @cabrol also instead of using the freeze button do the same test by selecting the synth tracks and doing a bounce to track. Does it sound the same in that case? This could be a plugin specific issue with bounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabrol Posted Friday at 06:16 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 06:16 PM 3 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said: @cabrol also instead of using the freeze button do the same test by selecting the synth tracks and doing a bounce to track. Does it sound the same in that case? This could be a plugin specific issue with bounce. Same result... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted Friday at 06:27 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:27 PM If you load the exact same project in Cbb it is fine? One more thing to try is do a realtime bounce or freeze and see if there is a difference. If you send your project file you can also CC me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted Friday at 06:27 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:27 PM 10 minutes ago, cabrol said: Same result... Any chancee the track's arpeggiator is enabled and giving a different result when frozen/fast-bounced? I have encountered this in the past and had to use realtime bounce to get the desired result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabrol Posted Friday at 06:38 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 06:38 PM 7 minutes ago, David Baay said: Any chancee the track's arpeggiator is enabled and giving a different result when frozen/fast-bounced? I have encountered this in the past and had to use realtime bounce to get the desired result. Yeah !!! It works with a realtime bounce. But, it'll be too long with 30 midi instruments.... Is there another way to do that ? What's the track's arpeggiator and how to disable it if it's the cause of the issue ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol_Jonesey Posted Friday at 06:39 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:39 PM Just now, cabrol said: Yeah !!! It works with a realtime bounce. But, it'll be too long with 30 midi instruments.... Is there another way to do that ? What's the track's arpeggiator and how to disable it if it's the cause of the issue ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted Friday at 06:43 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:43 PM (edited) If you have more than one track doing this, it's probably not the arperggiator. It may well be the plugin not playing nice with Fast Bounce. In that case, another thing to try would be increasing your ASIO buffer or setting a non-zero BounceBufSizeMsec value in Preferences > Audio > Configuration File to override it when fast-bouncing. I have mine set to 20. Edited Friday at 06:45 PM by David Baay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabrol Posted Friday at 07:00 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 07:00 PM 16 minutes ago, David Baay said: If you have more than one track doing this, it's probably not the arperggiator. It may well be the plugin not playing nice with Fast Bounce. In that case, another thing to try would be increasing your ASIO buffer or setting a non-zero BounceBufSizeMsec value in Preferences > Audio > Configuration File to override it when fast-bouncing. I have mine set to 20. Both solutions don't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabrol Posted Friday at 07:17 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 07:17 PM 4 hours ago, msmcleod said: I've just tried a similar thing with BBC SO, and the frozen result is the same as the live MIDI. Could you send a copy of your project to @Jonathan Sasor? We can take a closer look at what is going on. It's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabrol Posted Sunday at 05:08 PM Author Share Posted Sunday at 05:08 PM I have another same kind of problem with the audio export this time... When I export my project in Audio or mp3, the midi sounds don't export correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted Sunday at 05:57 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:57 PM 37 minutes ago, cabrol said: When I export my project in Audio or mp3, the midi sounds don't export correctly. Is this still involving Spitfire's BBC Symphonic Orchestra? I know the Bakers are already looking into that, but if you're having issues with other plugins I'd be happy to look at any demo project for which I have (or can acquire for free like the Spitfire library) the relevant plugins to see if I can repro the issue or maybe help identify an avoidable cause. Bounce/Freeze/Export all use basically the same code so it's no surprise - even expected - that an issue with freezing would also manifest in a non-realtime export. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabrol Posted yesterday at 10:01 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 10:01 AM 15 hours ago, David Baay said: Is this still involving Spitfire's BBC Symphonic Orchestra? I know the Bakers are already looking into that, but if you're having issues with other plugins I'd be happy to look at any demo project for which I have (or can acquire for free like the Spitfire library) the relevant plugins to see if I can repro the issue or maybe help identify an avoidable cause. Bounce/Freeze/Export all use basically the same code so it's no surprise - even expected - that an issue with freezing would also manifest in a non-realtime export. Yes, just BBCSO. I tried with one BBCSO track only, and the issue appeared. The others plugs-in don't create that. If you have sonar and BBCSO, I think you can observe the phenomenon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted yesterday at 06:10 PM Share Posted yesterday at 06:10 PM 7 hours ago, cabrol said: I tried with one BBCSO track only, and the issue appeared. The others plugs-in don't create that. If you have sonar and BBCSO, I think you can observe the phenomenon. Studio One gives the same incorrect result as Sonar, indicating BBCSO inherently has issues with offline rendering using default settings. I tried other settings and the result only got worse. (e.g. completely flatline audio). This will need to be taken up with Spitfire support. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabrol Posted 14 hours ago Author Share Posted 14 hours ago 14 hours ago, David Baay said: Studio One gives the same incorrect result as Sonar, indicating BBCSO inherently has issues with offline rendering using default settings. I tried other settings and the result only got worse. (e.g. completely flatline audio). This will need to be taken up with Spitfire support. However, everything was perfect with Bandlab, I've never had this problem. I'll try to contact Spitfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 5 hours ago, cabrol said: everything was perfect with Bandlab I don't have CbB on this machine, but Sonar Platinum 17.10 produces the same output on freezing, so either the problem just didn't manifest with the particular MIDI content and instruments you were using at the time or possibly Spitfire have updated their rendering engine since then and created a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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