matt Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago (So happy to finally get rid of the recently used plugins I'm continuing down my list of gripes!) I don't think this is a bug I think it's intentional behavior but it is SO counter-intutive to me that even after years and years of this happening I still make the mistake on a daily basis. As an example: You have a VST open to adjust settings. You close the VST (or not) to return to track view, and lasso a clip. The clip is now highlighted (seemingly selected, one would think). You hit "delete"... instead of the highlighted clip deleting, the VST is deleted. Fortunately 90% of the time that I accidentally delete my plugin instead of the clip I wanted to delete, hitting undo will restore the VST with settings, but it is VST-dependent and sometimes the VST is restored to it's default state, losing settings. Just curious if this is intentional and for what possible reason a highlighted clip isn't considered to be selected or the focus? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Base 57 Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago This happened to me yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago I recall that this has been reported and I have been able to reproduce it in the past but not now in the latest release of Sonar. Is there maybe some additional condition that precipitates it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt Posted 10 hours ago Author Share Posted 10 hours ago 23 minutes ago, David Baay said: I recall that this has been reported and I have been able to reproduce it in the past but not now in the latest release of Sonar. Is there maybe some additional condition that precipitates it? Still happens for me in the very latest version of Sonar. It's only when you right-click lasso a selection, not left-click on a clip. Though maybe the confusing thing is that whether you right-click or left-click, either way the clip is selected, or at least appears to be selected, but with one it is not the focus. I just opened a project at random, clicked on a random VST plugin, then closed the plugin. Right-click lasso a clip, hit delete... the VST is deleted even though it looks like the clip is selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago (edited) 29 minutes ago, matt said: I just opened a project at random, clicked on a random VST plugin, then closed the plugin. Right-click lasso a clip, hit delete... the VST is deleted even though it looks like the clip is selected. Yeah, that's exactly what I did, and it deleted the clip as expected, so I think there must be at least one other factor. I might have to hunt up the previous thread and see if there was some additional detail. I might even have entered my own report. Edited 9 hours ago by David Baay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago (edited) I haven't yet found the thread to which I contributed but I found a couple others on the topic. The general idea was that if the square brackets remain on the plugin, indicating that it has focus, it's going to get deleted. But I'm not finding that to be the case. Even when I hit Delete having just focused a plugin, it can't be deleted by the Delete key. Is this maybe about using the Del key in the Numkey Pad? My laptop doesn't have one. Edited 9 hours ago by David Baay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt Posted 9 hours ago Author Share Posted 9 hours ago 3 minutes ago, David Baay said: I haven't yet found the thread to which I contributed but I found a couple others on the topic. The general idea was that if the square brackets remain on the plugin, indicating that it has focus, it's going to get deleted. But I'm not finding that to be the case. Even when I hit Delete having just focused a plugin, it can't be deleted by the Delete key. Is this maybe about using the Del key in the Numkey Pad? My laptop doesn't have one. Yeah I just searched for "lasso" and scrolled through all 9 pages of threads but didn't see anything immediately relevant... would love to figure out if this behavior is anything on my end. I'm using the regular delete key not the one on the numeric keypad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago (edited) 28 minutes ago, matt said: Yeah I just searched for "lasso" and scrolled through all 9 pages of threads Better to use Google. I found the one I liked by searching on: plugin gets deleted site:discuss.cakewalk.com Interestingly that thread was saying it can happen even when clicking to select the clip, not just lassoing, adding lasso tot he search yielded nothing. I also found this report suggesting it was specifically related to attempting to delete automation, and was also difficult to reproduce for some users. One said it only affected automation on buses, not tracks. EDIT: I just tested and I can repro the problem when lassoing automation nodes on tracks so that might be the scenario I recall confirming previously. Edited 8 hours ago by David Baay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago This started when SONAR X2 replaced left-click-lasso with right-click-lasso in TV and PRV. Right-clicking may not have been coded as a focus changer there. IOW, TV doesn't know focus should change when right-clicking. SONAR X1 uses left-click-lasso so not a problem there. The issue happens - IF - you left-click on an FX in the Track Pane FX Rack or insert an FX there before right-clicking in the Clips Pane. Left-clicking the FX opens it's UI, but focus is still on the FX Rack, so closing the UI does not remove focus from the FX. Left-clicking an empty space somewhere else before right-clicking clears it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 34 minutes ago, sjoens said: The issue happens - IF - you left-click on an FX in the Track Pane FX Rack or insert an FX there before right-clicking in the Clips Pane. But I can still only repro when lassoing Automation Nodes. If Edit Filter is Clips, the focus frame remains on the plugin, but it does not get deleted; the clip gets deleted as expected. Maybe a function of O/S? My laptop is Win11. Or maybe you guys are running Sonar 'As Administrator' or something like that. Grasping at straws as to why I can't repro. Edited 7 hours ago by David Baay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt Posted 7 hours ago Author Share Posted 7 hours ago 31 minutes ago, David Baay said: My laptop is Win11. Or maybe you guys are running Sonar 'As Administrator' or something like that. Grasping at straws as to why I can't repro. I'm also Win11 and not running as admin... but this has been going on forever, for me anyway. I guess probably back to what @sjoens said about it starting in X2. It is one behavior I've been unable to teach myself, just being so counter-intuitive from the way every other software functions. Even after all these years I'm still deleting plugins on accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemus Posted 48 minutes ago Share Posted 48 minutes ago Maybe a right-click as the first operation in the envelope area doesn't set the focus to it (and clear it from the FX Bin), like left-clicking would? A very easy omission, if you ask me, having been a UI dev for decades... 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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