Very slow Save on first Save of every project

[Michael Richards]

I just discovered something interesting. I have a preset with 8 plugins. The long save happens with this preset. It also happens with less plugin presets.

If I start with 4 audio tracks I have no long save. If I continually add the plugins that are in the preset I still have very fast initial saves. So you know, between adding these presets I am closing Sonar. When I have all the plugins from that preset, I no longer have a long save.  What could be causing that? Every time I close this preset, reopen it, I get a long first save.

[Bristol_Jonesey]

Rebuild the preset?

[Noel Borthwick]

The most obvious question to eliminate is what plugins are in the preset.

[Michael Richards]

13 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

The most obvious question to eliminate is what plugins are in the preset.

BFD3.5, BFD Player, Keystone Piano (vst2), Ample Bass, SampleTank 4 - Fretless Bass, SampleTron 2.1, Spitfire Originals Epic Strings, Kontakt 7 Player - Spitfire Solo Strings, Neural DSP - Tone King Imperial.

[Will.]

5 minutes ago, Michael Richards said:

BFD3.5, BFD Player, 

Ouch! 

[Bristol_Jonesey]

27 minutes ago, Will. said:

Ouch! 

Indeed.

[Bristol_Jonesey]

39 minutes ago, Michael Richards said:

BFD3.5, BFD Player, Keystone Piano (vst2), Ample Bass, SampleTank 4 - Fretless Bass, SampleTron 2.1, Spitfire Originals Epic Strings, Kontakt 7 Player - Spitfire Solo Strings, Neural DSP - Tone King Imperial.

This would bring a lot of pc's to their knees.

What sort of preset are we talking about here?

Why..... BFD3 AND BFD player? 

Edited yesterday at 06:56 PM by Bristol_Jonesey

[Noel Borthwick]

Well there you have it. All these are huge plugins that are known to be slow to save. It has nothing to do with Sonar. All the host does is request plugins to save their state. If they take 10 minutes to save it adds to the project save time.

[David Baay]

7 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

8 hours ago, Michael Richards said:

BFD3.5, BFD Player, Keystone Piano (vst2), Ample Bass, SampleTank 4 - Fretless Bass, SampleTron 2.1, Spitfire Originals Epic Strings, Kontakt 7 Player - Spitfire Solo Strings, Neural DSP - Tone King Imperial.

This would bring a lot of pc's to their knees.

What sort of preset are we talking about here?

I have the same question as Jonesey. Are we talking about Track Templates?

I guess the first save might be slower because Sonar has to initially save all the parameters of all the synths whereas subsequent saves only have to save changes. That said, I can't really reproduce an issue saving a project with many new synth tracks added, but I don't have some of the particular synths mentioned - notably Spitfire and Neural DSP.

Seems to me this issue is still not fully explained.

Edited 20 hours ago by David Baay

[Michael Richards]

18 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Well there you have it. All these are huge plugins that are known to be slow to save. It has nothing to do with Sonar. All the host does is request plugins to save their state. If they take 10 minutes to save it adds to the project save time.

I have used many presets with many more plugins and never had this problem. Film and video score composers load up many more plugins and never comment about my issue. Also, I previous said, If I start with 4 audio tracks I have no long save. If I continually add the plugins that are in the preset I still have very fast initial saves. So you know, between adding these presets I am closing Sonar. When I have all the plugins from that preset, I no longer have a long first save. 

[Bristol_Jonesey]

3 hours ago, Michael Richards said:

I have used many presets with many more plugins and never had this problem. Film and video score composers load up many more plugins and never comment about my issue. Also, I previous said, If I start with 4 audio tracks I have no long save. If I continually add the plugins that are in the preset I still have very fast initial saves. So you know, between adding these presets I am closing Sonar. When I have all the plugins from that preset, I no longer have a long first save. 

At the risk of sounding repetitive - what sort of preset are you talking about? How do you set it up?
And why BFD3 AND BFD player?

[Michael Richards]

1 hour ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

At the risk of sounding repetitive - what sort of preset are you talking about? How do you set it up?
And why BFD3 AND BFD player?

Many times I find a snare or kick in Player I prefer. Other times I am not happy with a BFD3 kit or preset (and there are many of them) and find the simplicity of Player works for me and I just move or copy the BFD3 tracks to Player. So, I can do it your way (and it may be a better way), then it would be your way. I never had a problem before and this is not the problem.

Also, if I was of right mind I would never have started my life off down the music road and would be a finance man. In college I asked a guy how he had the time to be in a frat that had keg parties every Saturday. He said he was a business major. That's how. Ten years later he was a millionaire. This was in the 1980s. My choice of doing things may be a little different. Jack Antonoff does things a little differently. Different works.