Very slow Save on first Save of every project

[Michael Richards]

I just discovered something interesting. I have a preset with 8 plugins. The long save happens with this preset. It also happens with less plugin presets.

If I start with 4 audio tracks I have no long save. If I continually add the plugins that are in the preset I still have very fast initial saves. So you know, between adding these presets I am closing Sonar. When I have all the plugins from that preset, I no longer have a long save.  What could be causing that? Every time I close this preset, reopen it, I get a long first save.

[Bristol_Jonesey]

Rebuild the preset?

[Noel Borthwick]

The most obvious question to eliminate is what plugins are in the preset.

[Michael Richards]

13 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

The most obvious question to eliminate is what plugins are in the preset.

BFD3.5, BFD Player, Keystone Piano (vst2), Ample Bass, SampleTank 4 - Fretless Bass, SampleTron 2.1, Spitfire Originals Epic Strings, Kontakt 7 Player - Spitfire Solo Strings, Neural DSP - Tone King Imperial.

[Will.]

5 minutes ago, Michael Richards said:

BFD3.5, BFD Player, 

Ouch! 

[Bristol_Jonesey]

27 minutes ago, Will. said:

Ouch! 

Indeed.

[Bristol_Jonesey]

39 minutes ago, Michael Richards said:

BFD3.5, BFD Player, Keystone Piano (vst2), Ample Bass, SampleTank 4 - Fretless Bass, SampleTron 2.1, Spitfire Originals Epic Strings, Kontakt 7 Player - Spitfire Solo Strings, Neural DSP - Tone King Imperial.

This would bring a lot of pc's to their knees.

What sort of preset are we talking about here?

Why..... BFD3 AND BFD player? 

Edited 20 hours ago by Bristol_Jonesey

[Noel Borthwick]

Well there you have it. All these are huge plugins that are known to be slow to save. It has nothing to do with Sonar. All the host does is request plugins to save their state. If they take 10 minutes to save it adds to the project save time.

[David Baay]

7 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

8 hours ago, Michael Richards said:

BFD3.5, BFD Player, Keystone Piano (vst2), Ample Bass, SampleTank 4 - Fretless Bass, SampleTron 2.1, Spitfire Originals Epic Strings, Kontakt 7 Player - Spitfire Solo Strings, Neural DSP - Tone King Imperial.

This would bring a lot of pc's to their knees.

What sort of preset are we talking about here?

I have the same question as Jonesey. Are we talking about Track Templates?

I guess the first save might be slower because Sonar has to initially save all the parameters of all the synths whereas subsequent saves only have to save changes. That said, I can't really reproduce an issue saving a project with many new synth tracks added, but I don't have some of the particular synths mentioned - notably Spitfire and Neural DSP.

Seems to me this issue is still not fully explained.

Edited 13 hours ago by David Baay

[Michael Richards]

18 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Well there you have it. All these are huge plugins that are known to be slow to save. It has nothing to do with Sonar. All the host does is request plugins to save their state. If they take 10 minutes to save it adds to the project save time.

I have used many presets with many more plugins and never had this problem. Film and video score composers load up many more plugins and never comment about my issue. Also, I previous said, If I start with 4 audio tracks I have no long save. If I continually add the plugins that are in the preset I still have very fast initial saves. So you know, between adding these presets I am closing Sonar. When I have all the plugins from that preset, I no longer have a long first save.