TTS-1 and CbB

[Steve Moddelmog]

Pretty sure I've seen something posted about this, but evidently I'm not searching right for it. 

 

1. Does uninstalling CbB automatically uninstall TTS-1?

2.  If the answer to #1 is generally yes, is that true even if TTS-1 was originally installed with SPLAT?

3.  If the answer to #2 is yes, I assume I can still re-install it by re-installing SPLAT, correct?

 

Regarding #3, I noticed that the installation of SPLAT doesn't give you the option NOT to install the program itself (unchecking box of what you do and don't want installed).  Did that disappear after X3?  Maybe because the installation of "extras" was done through Command Center?  Yet Command Center does not have a separate option to install TTS-1.  Was TTS-1 automatically installed by installing the program (SPLAT) itself?

[Steve Moddelmog]

So I decided to take the plunge and uninstall CbB.  After uninstalling it, Sonar still sees TTS-1 and I can insert it as a synth, but attempting to enter MIDI notes into the associated MIDI track crashes it every time.  Sometimes (but not always) I get the Crash dialog below.

 I tried reinstalling TTS-1 from my X3 installation files, but that did not fix the problem.  I happen to have 32-bit SPLAT on my system, and it can still run TTS-1 just fine.  I reinstalled CbB, and it can also run TTS-1 fine.  So... did TTS-1 never run in Bandlab Sonar and I just never noticed that?  I don't use it much, so that's possible.  My interest in having it is to be able to open and edit a few old projects that did use TTS-1.

[Bristol_Jonesey]

TTS-1 definitely DID run on CbB

[Steve Moddelmog]

So I did this: I reinstalled CbB and tried to load TTS-1 in it.  It loaded and worked fine - I could enter notes in the associated MIDI track and play them.  Tried again in Sonar, no luck - entering MIDI notes in the MIDI track associated with TTS-1 crashed Sonar (no cash dialog, though).  So I reinstalled Bandlab Sonar(leaving CbB installed) and voila - TTS-1 worked fine.  So I uninstalled CbB, and again TTS-1 crashed Sonar.  So I reinstalled CbB and then Bandlab Sonar again, and TTS-1 works fine in Sonar. 

Why is Sonar dependent on CbB being installed, especially since I am also licensed to use TTS-1 on this machine through SPLAT?

[OutrageProductions]

FWIW: the days of support for DX instruments is numbered, both in the DAW and in the OS.
So create a plan to salvage what you need to now.
Same thing can be mentioned for any 32bit bridged plugins, and soon (I imagine) for VST2.
Once software is a teenager, it usually is headed for the scrap heap.
 

[sjoens]

CbB is only 400 - 600 MB.

If you need the space you can delete the Cakewalk Core folders leaving the registry alone.

Otherwise, uninstall Sonar, uninstall CbB, then reinstall Sonar.

[Terry Kelley]

TTS isn’t stable anymore and hasn't been for years. And it won’t be fixed. 

If you add it early in a project you have a fighting chance it will be ok, but at some point it will go south. Why has been speculated for years but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s no longer reliable and it will never be fixed. 

Your best bet is to switch to the various alternatives that give the same sounds like Munt MT-32 and others.

The TTS era has ended … about 10 years ago.

Edited Monday at 06:24 PM by Terry Kelley

[Bass Guitar]

This is it. TTS-1 has been unstable for a few years now. It will work fine if it was the very first thing you inserted in the project. As in opening a midi file. 
But adding it to a project later will often cause Sonar to crash. Checking the mini dump will verify this. 
So I switched to using either SynthFont 64 or Coyote a few years ago. 
They came free with Band in a Box but SynthFont Is dirt cheap to purchase. 
 

The TTS-1 was included with Cakewalk up until the fall of 2023. That was when Roland asked them to remove it from future installations. 
 

What was weird was that they also removed the link to use the MS Wavetable Synth at the same time. At least it doesn’t crash. 

 

[Steve Moddelmog]

Thanks for the replies.  A few general comments:

1. Irrespective of what others have experienced, I have not had a single issue with TTS-1 (which I have "owned" since Sonar Eight) up until now.  The fact that I can produce and reproduce  the issue and the resolution of the issue through the sequence of steps I describe above leads me to believe this is not an issue of TTS-1 being unstable for the past several years, as some have suggested.

2. I rarely use TTS-1 now and used it only sparingly in the past.  So I'm not facing an issue of finding a replacement for it.  The reason I want it to work is pretty much solely so I can still go back and work on projects that I started years ago. I've already faced this issue with many DX plugins (old Native Instruments stuff, for example).  Some have spoken of support for DX ending.  Since the code for it already exists, I'm left wondering why "support" is such a burden on software companies that they feel the need to eradicate it.

3. I'm not clinging to old software and too tight to buy new - I've upgraded to every single version of NI Komplete when they were released.  I just want to be able to open old projects that I thought were really good but that I have some new ideas for.  Ironically, in the case of NI, I'm in luck if I had used the original Kontakt in  a project, because that version was authorized with a serial number whereas NI quit authorizing new (online only) installations of Kontakt 2 just a few years ago.

 

[Bristol_Jonesey]

On 8/3/2025 at 2:55 PM, Steve Moddelmog said:

is that true even if TTS-1 was originally installed with SPLAT?

According to my spreadsheet, TTS-1 was shipped with every version of Sonar from 8 through to Platinum.

So if you need it, use Platinum if you've got it and work your old projects from there.

BUT - it should work in New Sonar, as it does for me. It just isn't bundled anymore.

[Steve Moddelmog]

23 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

According to my spreadsheet, TTS-1 was shipped with every version of Sonar from 8 through to Platinum.

So if you need it, use Platinum if you've got it and work your old projects from there.

BUT - it should work in New Sonar, as it does for me. It just isn't bundled anymore.

Thanks.  I've definitely got it, and it works in new Sonar but only of I have CbB installed, even though it was actually first installed on this computer with SPLAT 32-bit and never deleted.  That's what I'm finding so frustrating.

[Bass Guitar]

I used Sonar all last year. If I opened a midi file the TTS-1 loaded and played the file with no problems. I would mostly replace the instruments but sometimes keep a few tracks using the TTS-1. 
 

But often I would open older projects and they would crash. The dump report would point at the TTS-1. I submitted these to support and they would only say don’t use it. 

They would also crash Cakewalk. 

I would take same project and open it in Platinum with no issues. 

These projects never crashed in the 5 years I used Cakewalk up until sometime in 2023. 
 

I had to redo my computer and reinstall the OS so I was starting from scratch. 

I started with Sonar 8.5 and that has TTS-1 True Piano and few other goodies. 
Then X3 then I run the new version of CCC and install a few plugins  as well as Platinum.
I don’t use Sonar anymore so I was set to just use Platinum as a way to open old files. 
Never any issues other than warning about the file from a new version. 

Now we have the free version I was at first real excited about using this instead of Platinum. 
But alas it is crashing again when I try to open most of my projects. 
So Im back to using Platinum. 
Im glad they wouldn’t let me get the discount on the membership. Saved my self $200. 
 

Edited 7 hours ago by Bass Guitar

[bmarlowe]

Opened up several old songs with TTS-1.  Some really old (Cakewalk Pro Audio 9), some not that old. No problems, works great. I did not expect that. Not sure why.