lapasoa Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Don't forget that in CbB itself in the Prochannel section you can have fine presets that emulates the Gibson J200 . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Phillips Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 2 hours ago, lapasoa said: Don't forget that in CbB itself in the Prochannel section you can have fine presets that emulates the Gibson J200 . Correct, and I haven't tried any of those, but will now that you reminded me. Thanks @lapasoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark skinner Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 @lapasoa where in the pro channel can you find the Gibson J200 presets. Are they listed in the pro channel section if you click on the fx chain first ? I havn't been able to locate anything obvious for this. Thanks .. mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Phillips Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I'm not at my DAW but recently auditioned them and I believe they're in the Prochannel presets folder accessed by clicking the folder icon at the top of the ProChannel module. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark skinner Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Thank Bill , the folder was hiding from me. I'm just now reading about how to use ir's but I'll give these a shot for now. I've been looking at hardware preamps for months but I may try the Mcloed route first. Thanks .. mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-53mph Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 On 1/22/2019 at 7:54 AM, TheSteven said: Good post msmcleod! That technique can help acoustify (is that a real word? can we copyright it if not?) a DI recorded guitar. There are a number of acoustic guitar IRs out there, where instead of capturing sound of a room they capture sound of a guitar body. Here's a free Taylor Guitar set that uses a variety of micshttps://drive.google.com/a/t-sciences.com/file/d/0B1XgNa5vH3j1ZkVoTFJLQ241WTg/view I found this mentioned on a Line6 thread (where there are also links to other kinds of IRs)https://line6.com/support/topic/26822-free-irs/ You might also try hunting / googling for IRs or checking KVR (they use to have links for posts & links for IRs but I haven't checked in quite a while). Ah Steve, that Taylor Guitar set sounds great with my Tanglewood in TH3 with a spring verb chained after it. Great find. Thanks for the link. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapasoa Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 I choose the classic way with my Taylor guitar: DI with his Piezo pick up and a Neumann U87. Trying to put the first on the mid left and the second on the mid right. Adding a little reverb. Beautiful sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson white Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, lapasoa said: Taylor guitar: DI with his Piezo pick up What electronics are in your Taylor? They seem to have tried several configurations, starting with Fishman and now promoting a Taylor branded "Expression System". Edited July 22, 2021 by jackson white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Anderton Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 On 3/9/2020 at 6:26 AM, Bill Phillips said: I wanted to look under the hood of the Acoustic Piezo FX Chain preset but couldn't extract the plugins. The extract plugins option (which works for other FX Chain presets) doesn't appear on the Acoustic Piezo FX Chain dropdown and the shift load option doesn't extract plugins. Any suggestions? Sorry for the delayed response! That was back when Cakewalk used a locking function for the FX Chains. I'm not sure if there's a way to extract it now, but I'll check next time I'm in the studio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Phillips Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Craig Anderton said: Sorry for the delayed response! That was back when Cakewalk used a locking function for the FX Chains. I'm not sure if there's a way to extract it now, but I'll check next time I'm in the studio. Thanks. I'd still like to know the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy86 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Can someone point me to a primer on IRs? From some vids I’ve seen, is it essentially capturing the sonic EQ signature of a given mic-captured instrument, then matching that to another signal (in this case a DI-recorded acoustic) like Izotpope’s EQ Match? Would really like to understand the concept an how to apply it b/c capturing a really nice sounding acoustic has eluded me in my little setup. And you need to pair the IR with a cabinet? With an amp/cab emulation? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson white Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Billy86 said: a primer on IRs you may have seen these, https://www.3d-varius.com/impulse-response-acoustic-instrument/ some useful notes in this example. https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=529591 2 hours ago, Billy86 said: pair the IR with a cabinet The link includes an example, not much on -why-, but let your ears do the thinking... 2 hours ago, Billy86 said: capturing a really nice sounding acoustic Going down this rathole atm. Recently moved from an absolutely gorgeous space for recordings AGs, trying to find an acceptable workaround in the new space. Had briefly looked at IRs in the distant past along with sampled AGs, never got past the initial efforts none which sounded good enough to use (could be the user...). Hoped the Nembrini might offer something more for cheap and cheerful takes, but @msmcleod reminder on IRs pretty much shot that down. IRs sound better but so far still a bit of a compromise unless buried in the mix.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user 905133 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) On 7/25/2021 at 1:35 PM, Billy86 said: Can someone point me to a primer on IRs? From some vids I’ve seen, is it essentially capturing the sonic EQ signature of a given mic-captured instrument . . . . Just a footnote in case you are ever interested in more than using IRs to simulate the acoustics of an amp/cabinet. A few years ago simulated IRs were used live in a performance space to reproduce as much as possible the acoustic space of the legendary Cistern in the State of Washington. Yes, I know its beyond the scope of a primer, but some people interested in using IRs might find it interesting. There's a basic, non-technical description of how it was done in the press release for Pauline Oliveros' 80th Birthday Celebration. Edited July 26, 2021 by User 905133 to fix a typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBH Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) I think an essential trick to taming Piezo pick-ups is to use a transient designer to temper the initial transient a bit. Sound transmission in most solid materials is exponentially faster and more efficient than in air . The balance isn't natural sounding as it is acoustically. I've tried a few acoustic body IR''s - and essentially the ones I've tried capture a resonant honk of an acoustic body. Using the 2 together and tuning them carefully can give a pretty good mic'd sound. Edited July 26, 2021 by RBH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy86 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 1:05 PM, jackson white said: you may have seen these, https://www.3d-varius.com/impulse-response-acoustic-instrument/ some useful notes in this example. https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=529591 The link includes an example, not much on -why-, but let your ears do the thinking... Going down this rathole atm. Recently moved from an absolutely gorgeous space for recordings AGs, trying to find an acceptable workaround in the new space. Had briefly looked at IRs in the distant past along with sampled AGs, never got past the initial efforts none which sounded good enough to use (could be the user...). Hoped the Nembrini might offer something more for cheap and cheerful takes, but @msmcleod reminder on IRs pretty much shot that down. IRs sound better but so far still a bit of a compromise unless buried in the mix.. I hadn't seen these. Great stuff, thanks! So... the procedure for using IRs... do you put it first in an FX chain and then, say, an amp emulation, like Amplitube for example? I have Amplitube 5 and there is the ability to load in IRs. Strangely, I can't find a "how to use" on the 3 Sigma Audio website, which sells all sorts of them. https://www.3sigmaaudio.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy86 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 19 hours ago, User 905133 said: Just a footnote in case you are ever interested in more than using IRs to simulate the acoustics of an amp/cabinet. A few years ago simulated IRs were used live in a performance space to reproduce as much as possible the acoustic space of the legendary Cistern in the State of Washington. Yes, I know its beyond the scope of a primer, but some people interested in using IRs might find it interesting. There's a basic, non-technical description of how it was done in the press release for Pauline Olivero's 80th Birthday Celebration. Super cool, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackson white Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 8 hours ago, Billy86 said: put it first in an FX chain That's been my approach for piezo electronics on an acoustic. IRs function pretty much as an EQ with cabinets seeming to add little more "space" to the sound but they're generally the same thing. Tried a couple of IR loaders and the Audio Assault referenced by @msmcleod contains modules for additional inline processing. It was only $7 and the Gain/Volume was useful as IRs seem to knock the output down quite a bit. Still haven't found what I'm looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy86 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 17 hours ago, jackson white said: That's been my approach for piezo electronics on an acoustic. IRs function pretty much as an EQ with cabinets seeming to add little more "space" to the sound but they're generally the same thing. Tried a couple of IR loaders and the Audio Assault referenced by @msmcleod contains modules for additional inline processing. It was only $7 and the Gain/Volume was useful as IRs seem to knock the output down quite a bit. Still haven't found what I'm looking for. This Impulse loader looks pretty nice from 3Sigma Audio. Includes 3 cabs. $20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Jones Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 (edited) @msmcleod - I hope this link works. It goes to a comment I added to the Favorite Freeware Thread, and it's my totally free method of souping up my bad-sounding acoustic guitar. It's light on step-by-step instructions, because I was just learning about using IRs. But smart people will figure it out, and it includes links to a huge free library of acoustic guitar IRs, as well as a useful (and free!) IR loader. By the way, I think I like your "before" guitar sound better than the "after." https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/5064-favorite-freeware-fx-thread/&do=findComment&comment=247156 Edited July 28, 2021 by Larry Jones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Phillips Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 On 7/28/2021 at 1:49 PM, Larry Jones said: @msmcleod - I hope this link works. It goes to a comment I added to the Favorite Freeware Thread, and it's my totally free method of souping up my bad-sounding acoustic guitar. It's light on step-by-step instructions, because I was just learning about using IRs. But smart people will figure it out, and it includes links to a huge free library of acoustic guitar IRs, as well as a useful (and free!) IR loader. By the way, I think I like your "before" guitar sound better than the "after." https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/5064-favorite-freeware-fx-thread/&do=findComment&comment=247156 Thanks. I downloaded NadIR and think it's really handy and easier for me to use than the TH3 IR cabinet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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