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[T Boog]

40 minutes ago, Starship Krupa said:

The last big revamp of the SONAR/CbB UI was in the oughts, right? I know that new isn't necessarily better, but It was looking dated to me. I don't like having to switch back to CbB for certain tasks.

Fair enough. But if the 3D realistic look is dated then color me dated. I love looking at true to life type mixing board & effects controls. The 2D looks cheaped down and artificial to me.

Of course, my opinion doesn't matter anyway. I'm just whining Krupa. Can't a grown man whine anymore?! 😫

[John Vere]

Simple things like the record button. I don’t know how many times I’ve hit the solo or mute buttons instead!! That just seems wrong. I’ve used this software since 2005 and my muscle memory should know where the tracks recording button is but now it’s elusive.
 

Possibly my biggest problem is that the PVR is so dark I can’t see the lines so I make mistakes. I have to switch to the Mercury theme to work efficiently in PVR. Then the Track view now looks like 1998. I miss Scooks custom themes. 

I almost get the impression that there’s only a bare bones development staff working on this. It has been 2 years and very little has happened. 
 

If Cakewalk users demo the new Sonar and hate the graphics just like the rest of us did 2 years ago it will be a hard sell. 
I just slowly kinda got used to the shortfalls and stopped thinking about it but this thread reminds me of my first impressions. 

[Helios.G]

9 hours ago, John Vere said:

Simple things like the record button. I don’t know how many times I’ve hit the solo or mute buttons instead!! That just seems wrong. I’ve used this software since 2005 and my muscle memory should know where the tracks recording button is but now it’s elusive.
 

Possibly my biggest problem is that the PVR is so dark I can’t see the lines so I make mistakes. I have to switch to the Mercury theme to work efficiently in PVR. Then the Track view now looks like 1998. I miss Scooks custom themes. 

I almost get the impression that there’s only a bare bones development staff working on this. It has been 2 years and very little has happened. 
 

If Cakewalk users demo the new Sonar and hate the graphics just like the rest of us did 2 years ago it will be a hard sell. 
I just slowly kinda got used to the shortfalls and stopped thinking about it but this thread reminds me of my first impressions. 

I agree with this.  I saw a post a few days ago by one of the bakers saying this was a soft launch, and I thought, wait, a soft launch that lasts a couple of years?  Something's not right behind the scenes.  I honestly speak from a place of love, I literally love sonar, but if they aren't responsive to it's user base, and only care about acquiring new users, you're not going to have any kind of successful launch, soft hard or otherwise. 

[Starship Krupa]

11 hours ago, T Boog said:

I'm just whining Krupa. Can't a grown man whine anymore?! 😫

You're either not reading my posts or you don't think I'm a grown man.😆

[mrneil2]

Any idea on the number of people who have tried the Evaluation Sonar and gone back to physically using CbBl for day to day operations?  Would be interesting to know. 

[Colin Nicholls]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. It's the Internet, I get that. *sigh*

The "soft launch" refers to the "Free Tier" which has been available for just over a week or so, I think.

 

 

[Helios.G]

1 hour ago, Colin Nicholls said:

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. It's the Internet, I get that. *sigh*

The "soft launch" refers to the "Free Tier" which has been available for just over a week or so, I think.

 

 

That's fair

[Helios.G]

2 hours ago, mrneil2 said:

Any idea on the number of people who have tried the Evaluation Sonar and gone back to physically using CbBl for day to day operations?  Would be interesting to know. 

I don't know of any numbers, but I'm one for sure.  I deleted it yesterday.  It's literally the first time I've ever contemplated jumping to another daw since I started working in sonar almost 20 years ago.   

Edited Saturday at 10:17 PM by Helios.G

[Starship Krupa]

5 minutes ago, mrneil2 said:

Any idea on the number of people who have tried the Evaluation Sonar and gone back to physically using CbBl for day to day operations?  Would be interesting to know.

Only BandLab know for sure and that information is locked behind a wall of non-disclosure agreements.

[Mr No Name]

just logged in to Cakewalk , and an orange box appeared "try the new free tier or our new discounted offer of $49 dollars"

no free tier anywhere, just the subscription offer.

why bother, it's just taking the customers for idiots.

if you have a box that you ask people to press for something you advertise, have the thing you offer on the other bloody side of it.

[Mr No Name]

excuse my rant.

[GIM Productions]

12 hours ago, Helios.G said:

I don't know of any numbers, but I'm one for sure.  I deleted it yesterday.  It's literally the first time I've ever contemplated jumping to another daw since I started working in sonar almost 20 years ago.   

After bandlab's absurd decision,for me with respect, not to provide the full license I switched to another daw for my new projects, I continue to use cbb for the projects to be closed, which I updated without any problem with the new product center. When and if there is a full license I will buy Sonar of which I was a beta tester for Roland, I want to own the instruments I use

Greetings

p.s.   Up until 5 years ago I considered Sonar the best Pro DAW on the market overall

Edited Sunday at 10:51 AM by GIM Productions

[Helios.G]

24 minutes ago, GIM Productions said:

After bandlab's absurd decision,for me with respect, not to provide the full license I switched to another daw for my new projects, I continue to use cbb for the projects to be closed, which I updated without any problem with the new product center. When and if there is a full license I will buy Sonar of which I was a beta tester for Roland, I want to own the instruments I use

Greetings

p.s.   Up until 5 years ago I considered Sonar the best Pro DAW on the market overall

I agree with your p.s., that's why it's always been hard for me to leave, it's a damn shame really.

[Starship Krupa]

10 hours ago, GIM Productions said:

Up until 5 years ago I considered Sonar the best Pro DAW on the market overall

What happened 5 years ago? CbB came out over 6 years ago. IMO, it improved a great deal over the years, up until the point that development on it stopped.

Do you mean that 5 years ago another DAW surpassed it?

[GIM Productions]

13 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

What happened 5 years ago? CbB came out over 6 years ago. IMO, it improved a great deal over the years, up until the point that development on it stopped.

Do you mean that 5 years ago another DAW surpassed it?

I was referring to Sonar in general and yes now, for me, another DAW has made incredible improvements but obviously out of politeness I won't mention it

[John Vere]

2 hours ago, GIM Productions said:

I was referring to Sonar in general and yes now, for me, another DAW has made incredible improvements but obviously out of politeness I won't mention it

That’s OK we all know which Daw it is the one with the user forum where you find all the people who are now missing from here. 
 

So you are part of a large group of us who really want to see Sonar restored to its original glory. 
 

As someone else mentioned before Sonar is a very low priority for the current owners. This is the Bane of many Daw’s.
I like the story of Traction/ Waveform. It was bought by Mackie ( Loud Industries) they killed it. but the original developer Julian Storer bought it back and still owns it. 
 

Best thing that could happen to Sonar is that a small independent company took it over and put together a full crew including web page design, education and marketing. 
 

It makes me nervous that Fender now owns that Daw that a lot of us have started using. They too tried Subscriptions and backed off. 
 

All we want to do is make music! It all makes me want to dust off my Yamaha MD8 8 track machine. 

[GIM Productions]

1 hour ago, John Vere said:

So you are part of a large group of us who really want to see Sonar restored to its original glory. 
 

 

wise words,
to be precise I bought the new DAW, as I usually do

[Jeremy Oakes]

1 hour ago, John Vere said:

That’s OK we all know which Daw it is the one with the user forum where you find all the people who are now missing from here. 
 

So you are part of a large group of us who really want to see Sonar restored to its original glory. 
 

As someone else mentioned before Sonar is a very low priority for the current owners. This is the Bane of many Daw’s.
I like the story of Traction/ Waveform. It was bought by Mackie ( Loud Industries) they killed it. but the original developer Julian Storer bought it back and still owns it. 
 

Best thing that could happen to Sonar is that a small independent company took it over and put together a full crew including web page design, education and marketing. 
 

It makes me nervous that Fender now owns that Daw that a lot of us have started using. They too tried Subscriptions and backed off. 
 

All we want to do is make music! It all makes me want to dust off my Yamaha MD8 8 track machine. 

Pure supposition, just like adding oil on a fire. Why don't you just do what your last phrase says ? Make Music.

I would argue Sonar has now exceded its former glory, its better than ever, certainly versus the Gibson fiasco. Been there, lived it, moved on BTW.

Sheesh, your posts are getting a little repetitive John, go back to what you do best, helping people.

J

[T Boog]

1 hour ago, John Vere said:

It all makes me want to dust off my Yamaha MD8 8 track machine. 

Oh no John! You're stuck in this DAW hell with us.

FWIW, You can sign out any time you like...   but you can NEVER leave  🤪

[msmcleod]

4 hours ago, John Vere said:

All we want to do is make music! It all makes me want to dust off my Yamaha MD8 8 track machine. 

Joking aside... have you priced up the cost of a compatible Data MiniDiscs for that?  A pack of 3 is around the same cost as the discounted Sonar subscription, if not more.

I have a Yamaha MT8X and the cost of decent type II cassettes is just as crazy - around $20 - $25 for a new/old stock Maxell XL-IIS 60 or 90.

The surprising thing is that when you account for inflation, they're actually more or less comparable to what they cost back in the day.