Carol Kaye Declines Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction:

[Notes_Norton]

20 hours ago, fjz said:

I can't seem to find a definition for music that clearly states that all 3 elements must be present.

Again, I'll stick with what I learned in school and via the Berklee correspondence course.

I paid for those lessons, and I'm going to use them  

Melody, harmony, and rhythm are all components of music, but according to what I learned, you need all three for it to be music.

But like I said earlier, we probably just need to agree to disagree. 

[fjz]

1 hour ago, Notes_Norton said:

But like I said earlier, we probably just need to agree to disagree. 

Agreed  

[craigb]

Bob's too nice.  Is it ok if I criticize rap?  😁

[Shane_B.]

3 hours ago, craigb said:

Bob's too nice.  Is it ok if I criticize rap?  😁

No. Sorry. This is a music related forum only. 

[Notes_Norton]

18 hours ago, craigb said:

Bob's too nice.  Is it ok if I criticize rap?  😁

Neither you nor I nor anyone else has to like it, and we can list reasons why, but it's hard to argue with something that makes zillions of dollars. 

I don't like football, hang gliding, or hot peppers, but lots of people do. And I can think of reasons why I don't like them. Football=boring. Hang gliding=dangerous. Hot peppers=the plants developed that to keep animals from eating them, who am I to argue?

 

[pedwal wally wally wha]

24 minutes ago, Notes_Norton said:

I don't like football, hang gliding, or hot peppers, but lots of people do. And I can think of reasons why I don't like them. Football=boring. Hang gliding=dangerous. Hot peppers=the plants developed that to keep animals from eating them, who am I to argue?

you missed the cricket joke there 

[Notes_Norton]

2 hours ago, pedant said:

you missed the cricket joke there 

Crikey—I cleanly missed the clever cricket joke that someone cracked. It's a catastrophe by Jiminy.

(I haven't watched TV since the early 1990s, so all my TV references are old—I'm approaching my codger years.)

[pedwal wally wally wha]

14 hours ago, Notes_Norton said:

Crikey—I cleanly missed the clever cricket joke that someone cracked. It's a catastrophe by Jiminy.

(I haven't watched TV since the early 1990s, so all my TV references are old—I'm approaching my codger years.)

 

[Starship Krupa]

On 6/30/2025 at 9:34 AM, Notes_Norton said:

what I learned in school and via the Berklee correspondence course

"It's my authority and by golly I'm gonna appeal to it!"

I do not recognize Berklee's definition (or maybe it's just your interpretation of their definition).

Here's some NOTmusic written by Claude Debussy:

 

[SuperFreq]

Carol's right on the money. To those who are confused about her reasons, don't worry it was never properly explained and there are a lot of incorrect assumptions, but I'll try to sum it up.

Imagine you're the left fielder on a baseball team that wins the world series. Then MLB picks you, and you alone, to accept the ring, give a speech and get your name, and your name alone, engraved on the wall. Meanwhile your teammates aren't even allowed inside the building. Get it now?

Carol is rightly trying to draw attention to the fact that there were hundreds of studio musicians working as a team, so it's an insult to the entire team if 1 person is singled out to get their name, and their name alone, chosen as the 1 inductee.

As for her gripe about being called "the wrecking crew", that has nothing to do with her gripe with the RnRHoF. She just happened to vent about it in her facebook post, and that's what everyone descended on as her reason for snubbing the award. But no, that's just a long standing sore wound that's been poked by the sudden media attention. But make no mistake, she turned down the award because it would've been an insult to all her teammates if she alone took the trophy home.

Edited Saturday at 07:18 PM by SuperFreq