Confused by reply on Sonar by Caldecott. Hope?

[Starship Krupa]

3 hours ago, AB9 said:

Maybe a thread with a list of free decent plugins that are available would be helpful.

Maybe so. The only drawback I can think of is that users of this forum seem to often neglect to make use of the search function, therefore such a thread might become "invisible" once it scrolled off of the first page. Other than that, I can see it going on for many years and hundreds of posts. I'd probably split it into one for FX and another one for instruments.

 

 

[User 905133]

11 hours ago, Ashwin Rao said:

We're discussing internally bringing back our old legacy plugins, such as Z3TA+2. . .  but potentially in the form of a new synth engine . . . . Perhaps a brand new plugin with inspiration from the old one?

FEATURE REQUEST (which I hope is or could be under serious consideration wrt Z3TA+): Please bring back the ability to use the FX with external audio which was in Z3TA+ 1.5. It need not be a separate plug-in; a single plug-in that can handle audio input might serve the same purpose (depending on efficiencies). Thanks. 

[AB9]

8 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

Maybe so. The only drawback I can think of is that users of this forum seem to often neglect to make use of the search function, therefore such a thread might become "invisible" once it scrolled off of the first page. Other than that, I can see it going on for many years and hundreds of posts. I'd probably split it into one for FX and another one for instruments.

 

 

Yes - the threads could be a sticky.  And fine for splitting between instruments and effects.  And frankly, it would be nice to have subtopics such as reverb, compressors, limiters, eq, etc.

[Starship Krupa]

1 hour ago, AB9 said:

Yes - the threads could be a sticky.  And fine for splitting between instruments and effects.  And frankly, it would be nice to have subtopics such as reverb, compressors, limiters, eq, etc.

When I first started those topics half a dozen years ago, I had hoped to get them stickied one day.

This never happened, and I suspect that it's because Cakewalk don't want to be seen as endorsing any 3rd-party plug-ins unless they are actually bundled with their products.

Every once in a while I try to bump them back to the top, but it would be nice if others would contribute and do this as well.

As far as subtopics for individual categories, well, the threads as they are, covering everything, have a hard time staying on the front page.

Please, folks, if you think those topics are handy, bump them with whatever freebie(s) you don't see there already.

On another note, something I would LOVE to have is a VST version of the QuadCurve EQ. It is so good that I break my rule about not using DAW-locked plug-ins.

[pwalpwal]

17 hours ago, Ashwin Rao said:

Hi, Misha. I am happy to share more information regarding your concerns with future plugins and the value they might bring. We're discussing internally bringing back our old legacy plugins, such as Z3TA+2, Rapture Pro, etc., but potentially in the form of a new synth engine since we hold onto the rights to these legacy products' code. Perhaps a brand new plugin with inspiration from the old one

 

 

 

Why not Include them as they are right now, while working on the new synth engine?

[Amberwolf]

16 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

users of organic brains, the internet, libraries and all other knowledge databases seem to often neglect to make use of the search function,

fixed that for you.

 

In addition, in every forum / format I've ever been part of, a poster reading the replies to the question they posted is also often neglected, either partially or completely.     I'll just leave out the whole answering helper's questions to be able to help them thing.

 

 

On topic, not that it matters, but I'd prefer the perpetual license just be available, at all.  Would probably be find if it was just for whatever the then-current-version of SONAR is, doesn't matter what the included extra content is.  That can all be licensed separately once it's updated / available / etc.  (suer, there will be people upset that it isn't bundled...or that it's bundled now but wasn't when they got their license, etc., but at least they could *get* the perpetual license. ) 

Edited Thursday at 01:10 AM by Amberwolf

[Starship Krupa]

6 hours ago, Amberwolf said:

In addition, in every forum / format I've ever been part of, a poster reading the replies to the question they posted is also often neglected, either partially or completely.

I don't see this "often," and who knows, it may just be that the OP's do read the replies, and then failed to acknowledge that they did.

While we're on the subject of forum behaviors, one of my least favorite is the one where a question is asked, then an answer is posted by someone who is not an "established" forum participant, then the exact same answer is posted by an "established" user, after which any ensuing discussion completely ignores the post by the non-established user. I call it New User Invisibility Syndrome.

BTW, since there was a recent poster bemoaning the fact that he couldn't find a way to legally obtain Z3tA, and I mean this guy was distraught that he couldn't get hold of his hero's favorite soft synth, I decided to give it another try to see if I could see what all the fuss was about.

I didn't quite catch why it's so revered. It does those 2000-2010 club anthem sounds really well, but that's about all I could get out of it. If I want that sort of thing, MASSIVE has it covered.

Matters of taste and all. Maybe I'm just not as passionate about specific virtual instruments. Not that I don't have my favorites (Hybrid, Chromaphone, Ultra Analog VA, XPand!, Syntronik, Soundpaint), but if I suddenly couldn't use one of them for whatever reason, I wouldn't see it as something that would prevent me from getting my ideas out.

Is there a synth, or synths, with such a unique sound that no other synth can approximate it?

[T Boog]

On 2/23/2025 at 6:24 PM, Misha said:

there are still possibilities for a potential one time license in the future as we fully developed Sonar

That's good to hear. Im still on CbB but have been looking at other daws. If Bandlab ever plans to kill CbB, that would seem like the smart time to do it... just after Sonar becomes available for purchase. That way they dont lose customers who are forced with 'subscribe or go buy elsewhere'. Im sure a lot of people have already moved on.

Yeah, if Bandlab is even CONSIDERING making Sonar available for purchase in the future, they would be dumb to cancel CbB first. They'd just be flushing away users and future customers. Im sure theyre smarter than that. (I can already see the "Purchase Sonar Today" toast now 😉 )

[Misha]

I will be satisfied with any of three scenarios.

A) One time purchase - plugins or no plugins, makes no difference to me.

B) Subscribe for a year - get the last version of the last moth into subscription  unlocked permanently, no new features or fixes unless you re-subscribe. Again  plugins or no plugins -no difference.

C) Subscribe to Sonar for a year, get a permanent Cakewalk by Bandlab unlock - the one that is not spying on you or deactivates.  That at least will give guarantee and peace of mind  to musicians, that their projects will not be held hostage by company policy changes or their own financial situation.

[mettelus]

4 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

I didn't quite catch why it's so revered.

In interesting side note on Z3TA+2 ( not intending to distract from the OP)... One of the things that fed into Aux Tracks being born was that Z3TA+2's oscillators can be unsync'd from the tempo, so even running the same performance can yield vastly different results (I had posted about this on the old forums but cannot find it). In Multi mode each oscillator becomes 4 stereo oscillators, which is why it can become CPU-heavy if all 6 are used. The dynamics of what Z3TA+2 can do under the hood are extensive (a bit more than just those), so it can take some real effort to delve into it that deeply and set up patches for it.