audioschmaudio Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 https://scalermusic.com/products/scaler-3/ Quote Scaler 3 Browse, Create, Arrange Purchase Scaler 2 and get Scaler 3 FREE when it launches March 2025 Already own Scaler 2? Upgrade pricing will be announced in March 2025 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Schiff Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 I already owned Scaler 2, but bought into the $49 deal so I didn't have to deal with Plugin Boutique. I can't imagine that the upgrade will be much cheaper than that, but even if it is, it was worth it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 4 hours ago, Martin Schiff said: I already owned Scaler 2, but bought into the $49 deal so I didn't have to deal with Plugin Boutique. I can't imagine that the upgrade will be much cheaper than that, but even if it is, it was worth it to me. It is certainly a program worth supporting. That said, at launch upgrade pricing from V1 to V2 was $15. We might not see the same this time but they did treat customers well last time, so there is some hope it will be quite a bit less than $50. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTsongwriter Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) I have never felt a need to buy it since there's plugins that replicate it via scripts in Reaper, then I can import the midi files created in Reaper into Cakewalk, because I have several Cakewalk plugins that only work in Cakewalk that I still use to this day! Edited January 22 by GTsongwriter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skijumptoes Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 A little concerned that they're going to try and do too much with Scaler as it progresses. I've only seen sneak peaks of v3 and on one screenshot it looked like it had multi-track sequencer, plus audio mixer at the bottom of the screen. I appreciate that they have to add value to make the update saleable, but hopefully it won't become un-necessarily resource heavy or complicated in the process. Also, I hope that they keep the focus on integration with the DAW as it's primary purpose, because with a mixer and multi-track sequencer it will bring the temptation to offer a one-stop shop utilising a DLC model to expand it's own sound library or MIDI patterns/motions. Looking forward to giving it a go though. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTP Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 51 minutes ago, Skijumptoes said: I appreciate that they have to add value to make the update saleable, but hopefully it won't become un-necessarily resource heavy or complicated in the process. I don't see how it could become resource heavy if it's used to do things like the previous versions. They've revealed the new browse page. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 17 hours ago, GTsongwriter said: I have never felt a need to buy it since there's plugins that replicate it via scripts in Reaper, then I can import the midi files created in Reaper into Cakewalk, because I have several Cakewalk plugins that only work in Cakewalk that I still use to this day! Respectfully no you can't replicate what Scaler does with some scripts in Reaper. You can potentially replicate some ideas of what Scaler 2 can do. But if you are not getting the same full blown Scaler functionality out of some Reaper scripts. If that is all the functionality you want out if it, great, but this post comes across as misleading as the what Scaler actually can do. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Rintoul Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, Brian Walton said: Respectfully no you can't replicate what Scaler does with some scripts in Reaper. You can potentially replicate some ideas of what Scaler 2 can do. But if you are not getting the same full blown Scaler functionality out of some Reaper scripts. If that is all the functionality you want out if it, great, but this post comes across as misleading as the what Scaler actually can do. I was going to say basically the same thing. @GTsongwriter made this same statement last year, eliciting the same response. A more accurate statement might have been that GTsongwriter felt no need to buy it, because Reaper scripts can already do what GTsongwriter would want Scaler to do. To me, that would be like saying "I have not found the need to buy a compressor and a nail gun because I can already do the same thing with my hammer. A compressor is so heavy and hard to lug around and my hammer is so lightweight". If that is your workflow, then fine. But to say that Scaler can be replicated with a bunch of scripts and dodads implying that it has no real value is not helpful to anyone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettelus Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 14 hours ago, BTP said: I don't see how it could become resource heavy if it's used to do things like the previous versions. Without the ability to shut off or disable features this is a possibility. Melodyne is a good example of this... I went from 3 Editor to 5 Studio, and the thing that impacted me first was the Sound Editor (which I have only ever used in passing). I tend to open entire commercial tracks to view them like a score at times and the time to do so went up by a factor of 5 (from 10-12 seconds to nearly a minute for the same song). As apps become more like "their own DAW" features are enabled and running just in case someone decides to use them. There are rarely means to actually shut that processing off (requiring a restart of the app). I use anacrusis and stagger chords a lot, so trying to compose inside Scaler itself was a no-go for that. Will see what they come up with, but I wholeheartedly agree with focus on DAW integration and making that as seamless and intuitive as possible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy1 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I have so any of these and yet I never use them. You'd be surprised some of these exists in DAWs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locrian Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 So many free functionality additions were made to Scaler 2 that I'm delighted to pay to upgrade to version 3 as soon as it's available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubdisciple Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 On 1/22/2025 at 6:11 PM, kitekrazy1 said: I have so any of these and yet I never use them. You'd be surprised some of these exists in DAWs. On 1/22/2025 at 6:11 PM, kitekrazy1 said: I have so any of these and yet I never use them. You'd be surprised some of these exists in DAWs. I think elements of what scaler does are present in multiple products, but firmly believe that it straddles the line between music theory and creation tool better than most. It's useful not only for hacks or beginners but is awesome for knowledgeable people who want assistance with things like modal interchange experiments. I think Ripchord sounds better when playing live chords but it doesn't do snything else. Instachord is better at guitar parts for live playing ( if you have the patience to dive deep), but WA production has done a terrible job of showing how it works in any genre outside of EDM. Captain plugins integrate complementary parts in a simpler way better than scaler but the generated parts themselves are meh. Scaler sits in a sweet spot to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluzdog Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I stoked about being able to use it stand alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTsongwriter Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 If version 3 comes in a "lite" version without all the extra content, I would be interested into seeing if it's better than Scaler 1. The extra content is what turned me off Scaler 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LasWaltz Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 17 hours ago, bluzdog said: I stoked about being able to use it stand alone. You can do that already! https://unison.audio/vst-host/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) On 1/24/2025 at 9:30 AM, GTsongwriter said: If version 3 comes in a "lite" version without all the extra content, I would be interested into seeing if it's better than Scaler 1. The extra content is what turned me off Scaler 2. Given they are adding in arrangement tracks, I'm expecting more sounds so that you can demo ideas within the plugin/standalone without having to get into routing to other vsts until you want to mix/add to the piece. The footprint at ~1GB currently is quite small compared to other VSTi in 2024 especially one that offers more value than you continue to give it credit for. Edited January 25 by Brian Walton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettelus Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 54 minutes ago, Brian Walton said: The footprint at ~1TB currently Typo there... it is actually under 1GB (not TB) and Scaler2 allows you to install it to another drive if desired. That is a pretty small footprint compared to the vast majority of sample libraries out there (even some apps alone are well over 1GB). But I agree, with a stand-alone "DAW" mode, it won't be any smaller, especially if Scaler3 allows importing/rendering audio (since I saw pics similar to a track view in some of the marketing, I assume this is the case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, mettelus said: Typo there... it is actually under 1GB (not TB) a woops, correct typo on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTP Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Create page reveal: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locrian Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I'm looking forward to trying all the new Create Page stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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