Freezing multiple MIDI tracks

[Sven]

I wrote about this topic years ago and still haven't resolved the problem.   When i want to freeze several MIDI tracks I was told you can hold down the control key and left-mouse click each track you would like to freeze so they are now highlighted (see attached).   When I try that the only track that freezes is the one where I click on the 'freeze' icon.  The other require a separate click to freeze later.  I'm trying to save time and freeze several tracks at once.  

I believe another user said it works fine for them so perhaps I'm doing something wrong.  In the attached screen shot I would like tracks 32 and 34 to freeze after I click the freeze icon on either of them.  I've tried left-click freeze and ctrl-left-click freeze to no avail.

Thanks.

[Promidi]

What exact version of Cakewalk/Sonar are you using?

Have you tried selecting the actual MIDI tracks (track 33 and 35), then doing the Hold CTRL Freeze?

Edited January 12 by Promidi

[mettelus]

16 minutes ago, Promidi said:

Have you tried selecting the actual MIDI tracks (track 33 and 35), then doing the Hold CTRL Freeze?

Try this, you need to have the CTRL button held down when you want to activate the same control in the group you have selected. IIRC, control groups were implemented in X3, so any version after that should work that way.

[Promidi]

5 minutes ago, mettelus said:

 IIRC, control groups were implemented in X3, so any version after that should work that way.

I have a vague memory of a bug (that was recently fixed, however) that prevented a freeze operation being applied to quick groups.

But in any case, I tested with multiple SITS and I was able to quick group freeze them all. 

When I split the SITS, I had to select the actual MIDI tracks to get the quick group freeze to work.  Selecting just the audio tracks did not perform the quick group freeze.

[David Baay]

2 hours ago, Promidi said:

When I split the SITS, I had to select the actual MIDI tracks to get the quick group freeze to work. 

Exactly.  The selected tracks in the OP's screenshot are Synth audio tracks, not Simple Instruments. In order to freeze separate Synth audio and MIDI tracks, you need to select the relevant MIDI track(s) as well. I just checked and CbB successfully group-froze three split Instrument tracks with no problem when I selected all six MIDI and Synth tracks.

[Sock Monkey]

If you want to save track pane space use simple instrument tracks.  You can always add extra midi tracks if needed. 
And you can use ReplaceSynth if you decide you want to explore other sounds. 

Edited January 12 by Sock Monkey

[sjoens]

Select the tracks then hold CTRL and click ONE Freeze button.

This works great for single tracks but out of several tries it only worked once for split synth/MIDI tracks.

Attempts using other methods crashed CbB or only froze one track.

 

BTW, this room is for paying Sonar customers.  You should take this down the hall 2 doors on the left before Security arrives. 

Edited January 13 by sjoens

[Sven]

Thanks for your ideas.  I've tried everything and none seem to work but I won't give up.  It would just be a time saver to have this work.

These are random soft synth tracks on any given song so I would really like to just select a few at a time to freeze any MIDI tracks associated with them to save CPU processing.  I can do them one at a time if need but I actually think it used to work.  Not sure.

sjoens - I wasn't sure where to post this.  I've been using Sonar/Bandlab whatever for years and am happy to pay for it now.  

Is this what I want to take the big plunge?:

If so I'll pay for it today.  I wasn't sure when I should pay for the new release or just keep sticking with Bandlab usually which does what I need.  Do I want SONAR Platinum instead?  I'll pay whatever for the best current release.

Thanks.

 

 

[David Baay]

1 hour ago, Sven said:

Is this what I want to take the big plunge?:

No that's the legacy Cakewalk purchase page that is no longer viable. Sonar is now subscription-only, and there's only one tier that is now the equivalent of Platinum in terms of features but has less bundled plugin content:

https://www.cakewalk.com/sonar

But you should not be having trouble with multi-track freezing unless one of the tracks in your selection is in a state that doesn't allow freezing (e,g, archived or no MIDI events). If each track/pair will freeze by itself, all selected tracks/pairs should freeze successfully. I don't kow why sjoens was seeing inconsistency.

[Sock Monkey]

I think it’s a reflection of how Bandlab is screwing Sonar to oblivion with its lack of web page presence. 
How can you blame people who find those pages. They are always the top of the search. 
Try it. Google “purchase Sonar! “

[Sven]

Thanks David Baay,

  I downloaded the latest SONAR release but haven't installed it.  What happens to your current setup if you install that release?  This is my current release:

This should probably be in another thread but I want to make sure if I move forward that with that version that I'll have all my current settings.  Also, what will it cost?  I can do everything Ineed to do with this version and have no compelling version to upgrade but I'll do it to support the product and support.

 

Meanwhile, back on the freezing MIDI ranch.....all I would like to be able to do is select the Audio tracks I want to freeze and have Sonar/Cakewalk/Bandlab be smart enough to freeze any MIDI tracks associated with those Audio tracks and put the frozen MIDI in the audio track.  Each track freeze fine if I select it individually.   It's only when I select multiple audio channels and/or multiple MIDI and audio channels that I can't get the behavior I would like.  It's a small problem but it seems pretty basic to me.

[Sock Monkey]

Get that serial number off the internet! 
 

EditI just realized that is the free Cakewalk so the serial numbers are irrelevant. 

Edited Thursday at 05:26 PM by Sock Monkey

[Sock Monkey]

All versions of Cakewalk and Sonar will use a shared folder that majority of your settings are stored in. These will be used by new installed versions. It will ask you if you want to use them. 
Sonar cannot be purchased anymore. 
You will need to purchase a Bandlab membership. It’s why a lot of people have gone elsewhere or are staying with Splat. People don’t like subscribing as it makes them feel like they don’t have control of the future. 
It goes on sale for $99 and as low as $79 for the year so don’t pay the full amount. 
 

Edited Thursday at 05:26 PM by Sock Monkey

[sjoens]

If you have Cakewalk by BandLab already and want to install the new Sonar, it will install as a separate program so you will have both.

When installing several Cakewalk programs, always install the oldest ones first as shared files will be overwritten and could affect newer programs if they are installed after the newer ones.

There is also an update to your Cakewalk 2023.09.  Latest version is 2024.12.

Edited Friday at 02:51 AM by sjoens

[Sven]

Thanks.   I don't see any compelling reason to change anything right now.   

Back to MIDI freeze...

Some of you are able to select two audio channels that have midi content below them and hit freeze and both audio channels then freeze their associated midi tracks?  I think I used to be able to do this but now can't.

Thanks.

 

[sjoens]

I mentioned it's hit & miss for me when freezing multiple instrument tracks so there seems to be an issue with it not being consistent.

[Sven]

Hi sjoens,

Thanks.  I can just do them one at a time.  Swear it used to work...

 

[gustabo]

If I freeze a Kontakt instance and it has 10 midi tracks associated with it, then all the midi tracks associated with that Kontakt instance freeze. That is how it has always worked for me and still does.

[sjoens]

Easy since there's only one softsynth.  Try doing it on several "different" softsynth/MIDI tracks all as once.

[Sven]

Hi sjoens,

I'll try that, thanks.