Could someone point me to Windows 11 discussions. Neither computer compatible -must upgrade? Need Zoom help -will pay.

[Michael Fogarty]

I am and have been a music producer for many years.  I assume I will have to get a new computer as after October Windows 11 is in the house. My backup computer is freezing a lot (Windows 10Pro) 64G RAM, 17-7700k 4 Core 4.20 GHZ and a tech is coming to look at it and is telling me to buy a new computer instead as it is not compatible after next October. My main computer is an i5 and has been working daily for 12 years -new SSD Drives, RME Interface. I am here in Japan with nobody to talk to and would love to meet with someone in Zoom soon to see/hear my options. I toss these two good machines?  Keep the best as a backup and don't go online and buy one new one?  I have "read the manual" but my backup computer is very good with 64GB RAM and if there is anyway to avoid moving forward to 11. The techs concern is if I have to get a new computer in only 10 months, why put money into this incompatible one. Finances are a big concern as I do a lot of things to help people for low budget so need the cheapest professional way out. I have all the best VST's money can buy and some of course CPU extensive. To reiterate, I am a musician and not a geek and no longer work for labels who take care of these things for me so could use some help and am willing to pay for the time as well as help you with your mixes, keyboards, backing vocals, etc.
  Would be wonderful if it could happen soon as the tech is coming Japan time Saturday 28th 5:00 which is EST Friday 3:00 am.

Hopefully yours,
Michael

Edited Thursday at 07:06 AM by Michael Fogarty
clarity

[OutrageProductions]

Check for compatibility of your MOBO & CPU with Win11 upgrade. A lot of the i7 7xxx series are not compatible. I have a laptop that is just below the CPU cutoff by one digit, and hence cannot upgrade. 

[Michael Fogarty]

7 minutes ago, OutrageProductions said:

Check for compatibility of your MOBO & CPU with Win11 upgrade. A lot of the i7 7xxx series are not compatible. I have a laptop that is just below the CPU cutoff by one digit, and hence cannot upgrade. 

so what will you do?

 

[OutrageProductions]

3 minutes ago, Michael Fogarty said:

so what will you do?

 

It's my laptop. I'll keep running Win10 on it until it dies from old age. And be very careful from a security standpoint.

[Michael Fogarty]

Just now, OutrageProductions said:

It's my laptop. I'll keep running Win10 on it until it dies from old age. And be very careful from a security standpoint.

thanks. How does one be careful? Use a third party security system?

 

 

[OutrageProductions]

That's one way, yes.

[Michael Fogarty]

1 minute ago, OutrageProductions said:

That's one way, yes.

my MOBO is ok. Think its better to swap out the CPU and then I'm good to go? This is homemade Desktop. How will you be careful?

 

[Bristol_Jonesey]

1 hour ago, Michael Fogarty said:

How will you be careful?

 

Only go online when absolutely necessary. Software updates & downloads etc.

Get it done and get the hell out of there 😃

Be careful inserting USB dongles especially if they are not from a trusted source.

To be extra cautious, do a system backup before going online

My main system is Win 10 and as with yourself, fails the test when attempting to upgrade to Win 11

But for now I'm sticking with Win 10 - there is no way I can afford a new system, having retired two years ago and funds are limited.

There is a hack you can perform to bypass this, I think it's called Rufus, but I haven't tried it

https://www.makeuseof.com/rufus-bypass-tpm-secure-boot-requirements-windows-11/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGpMbNleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHXmNG1DmrfnZbIERdeE3GoGvsSjf9rlRJn__4vUUzEfHSvsyyZArDUKw_A_aem_H04_Kfra2SspCn3GIsub5g

 

I would do everything possible to get your Win 10 system working properly and work out why it's freezing

 

[Sal Sorice]

All above advice is good. You also may want to just wait it out for several more months.

Windows 10 has a roughly a 65% market share versus Windows 11 at about 35%.

if that doesn’t change a lot during 2025 there is a decent chance that Microsoft will extend support for Win10 like they did for XP. 

[pwallie]

7 hours ago, Michael Fogarty said:

How will you be careful?

going online, use adblocker and no-script addins in your browser (i recommend firefox) -- ads and javascript are the most common delivery point of malware these days

[DeeringAmps]

@Michael Fogarty Contact Jim Roseberry from Purrrfect Audio. Unless something has changed he consults.
There's a recent thread in Computer Systems about the coming Win 11 native ASIO drivers so you can PM him from there.
I have two of his machines (both too old for Win 11), he's the best...

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[Mr No Name]

Yes, some older machines are not compatible with win 11, if you never have it online and don't plan on upgrading software just keep using it as a music computer. I have an old computer with XP that runs some very old software perfectly well, however it will not connect to the internet, almost impossible to use internet on it. as long as the operating system operates the computer and programmes is all that matters. Win 10 machine will be fine with a 3rd party virus software to use internet for a good few years yet, if you need to occasionally get on the net with it.

[Jeremy Oakes]

I updated my laptop to W11 - turned on TMP and Secure Boot in the Bios, and converted the HDD to gpt. The i5 processor failed the test though.

Personally, I found the Rufus method long winded and not easy to follow. So I used this method :  Insert a DWORD value in the registry.

    AllowUpgradesWithUnsupportedTPMOrCPU   

And it worked. You can Google it at arstechnica.com.

Of course, back up your registry first, and if you do take this route, its at your risk. What worked for me may not work for you.

J

[Sock Monkey]

First- Historically it’s always been BS about the  about end  of life for OS.  
My IT friends all say that I shouldn’t worry for another couple of years. And even then it’s all BS warnings about the dangers of the internet. 
 

I have 3 computers one as XP 2 have W7. They all have dedicated purposes that they still fully support no problem. The internet is totally disabled and not needed. Any transfers are via USB. 
 

I built a new computer last year mostly because my old one was 12 years old, no W11 available and it was time to upgrade. 
But the old w10 machine was given some love with 2 new SSD drives and a bit more RAM. SDD drives cost me $150. The RAM I think was under $100. Waste of money? In what way?  I can’t even tell much of a difference between using my new machine  $1,600,  and my old one. $300.  
So what if they end support next year. That great, no more useless updates! 
I figure I’ll still be using it for about another 5 years and will eventually just keep it off line if that’s the case. 
My W7 machine doesn’t want me to open Chrome but Firefox worked last time I tried it. 
 

I realize not every body can do basic maintenance on computers but if I had yours first thing I’d do is back up all my data to an external drive. Totally clean it out of unimportant apps and data. And by a new SSD drive for the OS and : 

Either start fresh with new install of w10 . Negative is this will also require reinstalling all your apps. Takes me a long time!! 
Or easy to use clone software like Samsung Magician and that takes only about 30 minutes. 

[AndyB01]

I upgraded a non compliant i7 7700 that has a TPM a year or more back and it's been running like dream ever since. Can't remember the method I used now - might have been the reg hack - but install was a cinch. I also get the Win 11 updates - despite being 'unsupported' - more Microshaft scaremongering I'm glad I took no notice of.

Just back everything up first - including a full export of your registry.

Edited 23 hours ago by AndyB01

[tecknot]

Hi Michael,

There are a couple of things to consider when contemplating the End of Life (EoL) for Windows 10.  First, Windows 10 will continue to work well after the EoL.  However, Microsoft is offering a year of security updates for $30 after W10 EoL.  The second thing is that there is time before the EoL happens.  Therefore, you can purchase a new PC closer to the W10 EoL.  That will give you a "future proof" PC with Windows 11 (which is having some noted problems with its current version 24H2).  By then Windows 11 24H2 should be up to par.  Also, your hardware (Motherboard, CPU, memory, etc.) will be latest.  Of course you can upgrade your existing PC for Windows 11 (if possible, you will need TPM v2).  Either way, your PC could well remain sustainable for some time (until MS decides to screw users over again.)

Kind regards,

tecknot

[Michael Fogarty]

15 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

Only go online when absolutely necessary. Software updates & downloads etc.

Get it done and get the hell out of there 😃

Be careful inserting USB dongles especially if they are not from a trusted source.

To be extra cautious, do a system backup before going online

My main system is Win 10 and as with yourself, fails the test when attempting to upgrade to Win 11

But for now I'm sticking with Win 10 - there is no way I can afford a new system, having retired two years ago and funds are limited.

There is a hack you can perform to bypass this, I think it's called Rufus, but I haven't tried it

https://www.makeuseof.com/rufus-bypass-tpm-secure-boot-requirements-windows-11/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGpMbNleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHXmNG1DmrfnZbIERdeE3GoGvsSjf9rlRJn__4vUUzEfHSvsyyZArDUKw_A_aem_H04_Kfra2SspCn3GIsub5g

 

I would do everything possible to get your Win 10 system working properly and work out why it's freezing

 

Thanks Bristol. I have a tech coming in 24 hours. I will get it working and give the WINDOWS 11 thought 10 months to brew.

[Michael Fogarty]

49 minutes ago, tecknot said:

Hi Michael,

There are a couple of things to consider when contemplating the End of Life (EoL) for Windows 10.  First, Windows 10 will continue to work well after the EoL.  However, Microsoft is offering a year of security updates for $30 after W10 EoL.  The second thing is that there is time before the EoL happens.  Therefore, you can purchase a new PC closer to the W10 EoL.  That will give you a "future proof" PC with Windows 11 (which is having some noted problems with its current version 24H2).  By then Windows 11 24H2 should be up to par.  Also, your hardware (Motherboard, CPU, memory, etc.) will be latest.  Of course you can upgrade your existing PC for Windows 11 (if possible, you will need TPM v2).  Either way, your PC could well remain sustainable for some time (until MS decides to screw users over again.)

Kind regards,

tecknot

excellent. I really appreciate the time you have taken.

[Michael Fogarty]

4 hours ago, Sock Monkey said:

First- Historically it’s always been BS about the  about end  of life for OS.  
My IT friends all say that I shouldn’t worry for another couple of years. And even then it’s all BS warnings about the dangers of the internet. 
 

I have 3 computers one as XP 2 have W7. They all have dedicated purposes that they still fully support no problem. The internet is totally disabled and not needed. Any transfers are via USB. 
 

I built a new computer last year mostly because my old one was 12 years old, no W11 available and it was time to upgrade. 
But the old w10 machine was given some love with 2 new SSD drives and a bit more RAM. SDD drives cost me $150. The RAM I think was under $100. Waste of money? In what way?  I can’t even tell much of a difference between using my new machine  $1,600,  and my old one. $300.  
So what if they end support next year. That great, no more useless updates! 
I figure I’ll still be using it for about another 5 years and will eventually just keep it off line if that’s the case. 
My W7 machine doesn’t want me to open Chrome but Firefox worked last time I tried it. 
 

I realize not every body can do basic maintenance on computers but if I had yours first thing I’d do is back up all my data to an external drive. Totally clean it out of unimportant apps and data. And by a new SSD drive for the OS and : 

Either start fresh with new install of w10 . Negative is this will also require reinstalling all your apps. Takes me a long time!! 
Or easy to use clone software like Samsung Magician and that takes only about 30 minutes. 

all good stuff. I actually just did this with the computer that now freezes -it is my backup, and just like you my old computer runs better. It took me off and on a few days to install everything on the new computer but since its done, I will fix it. Thank you

[msmcleod]

22 hours ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

There is a hack you can perform to bypass this, I think it's called Rufus, but I haven't tried it

https://www.makeuseof.com/rufus-bypass-tpm-secure-boot-requirements-windows-11/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGpMbNleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHXmNG1DmrfnZbIERdeE3GoGvsSjf9rlRJn__4vUUzEfHSvsyyZArDUKw_A_aem_H04_Kfra2SspCn3GIsub5g

 

I gave this method a try and it worked without issue on my 3rd gen i7 with no TPM.  I ended up reversing it however by re-imaging my Windows 10 backup as there were a bunch of plugins / apps that needed re-authorising.

So make sure you un-authorise any apps/plugins that need doing so BEFORE you do the upgrade.  Many will allow you to do this via their website, however some may require doing it from the application itself, or will require you to contact the vendor to de-activate that license.

Also, the latest Windows 11 upgrade required at least 64GB free space.  This requirement is likely to only increase in future upgrades, so make sure you have a decent sized C drive and leave plenty of space ( e.g.  > 33% free on a 512GB drive) for future upgrades.  I've got one Windows 11 PC which came with a 128GB system disk, and I'm unable to upgrade it further unless I wipe it completely.