Problem with extraordinarily long clips and track view [SOLVED]

[Jorge Arias]

Hello, I have no idea if this is a bug, a design problem or limitation. The truth is that with very long audio files (an hour or more) it does not allow me to see all the material in its entirety on the screen, something that, for example, does not happen in Reaper. I opened the same file in CbB and the same thing happens so it is not an exclusive problem with Sonar. It is not a detail if one wants to master several songs at the same time, although I don't know if it has to do with the length of each clip. I attached short video. thank you

ps: the same thing happens in Next...

Edited December 2 by Jorge Tata Arias

[Wookiee]

@Jorge Tata Arias assuming you have zoomed out as far as possible? If so then it is probably a limitation of the program by design. You could make a feature request in the feedback forum. 

[Jorge Arias]

26 minutes ago, Wookiee said:

@Jorge Tata Arias ¿Suponiendo que hayas hecho zoom lo más lejos posible? Si es así, probablemente se trate de una limitación del diseño del programa. Puedes hacer una solicitud de función en el foro de comentarios. 

Yes, obviously using the zoom as far as possible, otherwise it wouldn't be an inconvenience, it would be my clumsiness haha. thanks for the suggestion

[David Baay]

Yes, I don't know offhand what's typical for other DAWs, but Sonar does have a zoom-out limit. It's in M:B:T, so if your recording is independnet of the project tempo, you can get more absolute time by lowering the tempo.

FOr example, the M:B:T limit on my laptop with the Inspector, Browser and Tracks pane closed to maximize the Clips pane, I can see about 2880 measures. At 125bpm, that's about 90 minutes, but at half that tempo, it's 3 hours. At the minimum tempo of 8bpm, it's 24 hours.

[Bristol_Jonesey]

2 hours ago, David Baay said:

Yes, I don't know offhand what's typical for other DAWs, but Sonar does have a zoom-out limit. It's in M:B:T, so if your recording is independnet of the project tempo, you can get more absolute time by lowering the tempo.

FOr example, the M:B:T limit on my laptop with the Inspector, Browser and Tracks pane closed to maximize the Clips pane, I can see about 2880 measures. At 125bpm, that's about 90 minutes, but at half that tempo, it's 3 hours. At the minimum tempo of 8bpm, it's 24 hours.

Sounds about right.

My double album project (where I import all the mixdowns from the track projects) runs to about 145 minutes, and at 120bpm I can't see the last track.

[Jorge Arias]

2 hours ago, David Baay said:

Yes, I don't know offhand what's typical for other DAWs, but Sonar does have a zoom-out limit. It's in M:B:T, so if your recording is independnet of the project tempo, you can get more absolute time by lowering the tempo.

FOr example, the M:B:T limit on my laptop with the Inspector, Browser and Tracks pane closed to maximize the Clips pane, I can see about 2880 measures. At 125bpm, that's about 90 minutes, but at half that tempo, it's 3 hours. At the minimum tempo of 8bpm, it's 24 hours.

GREAT SOLUTION! it worked very well!!! Thanks!!

 

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[Wojtek Stecyszyn]

On 12/2/2024 at 9:28 PM, David Baay said:

Yes, I don't know offhand what's typical for other DAWs, but Sonar does have a zoom-out limit. It's in M:B:T, so if your recording is independnet of the project tempo, you can get more absolute time by lowering the tempo.

FOr example, the M:B:T limit on my laptop with the Inspector, Browser and Tracks pane closed to maximize the Clips pane, I can see about 2880 measures. At 125bpm, that's about 90 minutes, but at half that tempo, it's 3 hours. At the minimum tempo of 8bpm, it's 24 hours.

Great trick.

Unfortunately it does the job ONLY if you have clean project without any automation lines or arranger section created cause when the clips will move after tempo change all web of automation and arranger sections will stay untouched and these options here:    will not save you. 

So remember to take care of this at the very beginning of the session, on clean project.

And one more important thing to remember: all clips must be in ABSOLUTE  time base mode. Set that in clip properties when all clips ar selected. 

I wish Cakewalk could just simply zoom out with no trick and way around needed. 

Edited December 6 by Wojtek Stecyszyn

[David Baay]

5 minutes ago, Wojtek Stecyszyn said:

Unfortunately it does the job ONLY if you have clean project without any automation lines or arranger section created cause when the clips will move after tempo change all web of automation and arranger sections will stay untouched and these options here:    will not save you. 

So remember to take care of this at the very beginning of the session, on clean project.

Abd one more important thing to remember: all clips must be in ABSOLUTE  time base mode. Set that in clip properties when all clips ar selected. 

Yes, critical points.

[Noel Borthwick]

Although sonar can have very long projects in absolute time, there are limitations to musical time. This is an area that can be improved.

PS.  when we adopted wav64 as a wave file format back in Sonar 7 we tested really long projects. I remember testing files that were a month long and running test recordings for many days.