Rain Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 Last week, a new version of Logic was released, which required upgrading my computer to the latest OS or the previous one. I'm always weary of upgrades because, in my experience, performance always takes a hit on older machines. Not to mention I'd already been through one upgrade in June. But I I was really curious about the new Quantec reverb... I figured I'd do a back up and proceed, but then I started experiencing troubles with that. The back up process would stall at 53%. And that's when my old trusty external HD just vanished from the list of devices. I eventually got it back online, but it made me realize that, after 11 years, it might need to be replaced. So I ordered a new one from Sweetwater. Then I decided to just be stupid and go ahead and upgrade to the second most recent OS in order to be able to test that reverb... Things seemed alright for a couple of hours. But when I came back after a night of sleep, Logic took forever to launch and then wouldn't load my projects. I spent my entire night off troubleshooting instead of making music. First time in 14 years that I experience issues with my DAW. The irony is that the project I was working on used only Logic synths and plugins, as a challenge to myself. It is also the first time that I don't systematically bounce tracks. I know it's ridiculous but that's the way I learned to work back in the days to conserve CPU, so I usually commit to stuff as soon as I'm happy with the performance. And I usually print effects as well. In this case, everything in the project was still MIDI and real-time. Fortunately, I had exported stems a little earlier in the process because I wanted to be able to mess with them in Luna. So I had some of my stuff there. I spent much of my second night off trying to rebuild the mix in Pro Tools around the stems, but it just wasn't happening. So halfway through the night I took a leap of faith and proceeded to upgrade to the latest OS. A few Logic users I spoke with had ran into similar issues and that solved their problems. I was worried that this could not only not fix Logic, but hose my back up, Pro Tools. So I reluctantly proceeded. And indeed, that solved everything, even issues with other apps. The alternative and the back up plan was to restore my latest back up - dating from July, before I installed Pro Tools, the UAD plugins and all the goodies. So that would have meant a lot of time before I was back up and running. Of course, while all of this was happening, FedEx decided to take their sweet time and to take my new HD on a journey across the US so it only showed up once everything was back up and running... My first Glyph. Made me realize how tiny my old WD was despite being the same capacity. The Glyph's also noisier. Which isn't to say much, it's just that the WD was completely silent. As for the Quantec reverb... It's really cool. But I ended up demoing and buying Abbey Road chambers because it worked better on what I was working on. But I'm just so glad to be back up and running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigb Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 At least this story had a happy ending! 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 1 hour ago, craigb said: At least this story had a happy ending! 😉 Rain getting a happy ending.... Gee, thanks a bunch for that mental image. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane_B. Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 I had a similar thing happen last week. I turned my DAW on for the first time in almost 3 years about a week ago. I spent 2 full days doing updates and re-logging in to everything having to create new passwords most of the time because the ones I used for apps on my cell simply refused to work on my PC. In the end, it runs everything noticeably slower. Nvidia, my printer, steam which I used to use for 1 game, and some new AI thing Win 10 forced me to install had taken over. I got the AI thing uninstalled and that helped, but I can't figure out how to stop the other things. I had this machine running lean and mean for years. Ain't progress great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigb Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 11 hours ago, paulo said: Rain getting a happy ending.... Gee, thanks a bunch for that mental image. It was a forum message Paulo, not a forum massage! 😆 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberwolf Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 3 hours ago, Shane_B. said: I had a similar thing happen last week. I turned my DAW on for the first time in almost 3 years about a week ago. I spent 2 full days doing updates and re-logging in to everything having to create new passwords most of the time because the ones I used for apps on my cell simply refused to work on my PC. <snip> I had this machine running lean and mean for years. Ain't progress great. That's why when I setup a system, the first thing I do is disable all updating "features". If I find a problem I can do whatever specific updates are needed to fix that problme, and just that problem, but having a system just do it's own updates for whatever is *always* going to cause problems of it's own that would not happen if it didn't do that. Before I started doing that (a long time ago), every system I ever had, for any purpose, would get screwed up because of autoupdates. Problem might be tiny, or catastrophic, but eventually they would always happen. So, if something can't be prevented from doing this, I can't allow it on my system. (Many users may not "have problems with updates", and that's great--but they might just not be problems you notice, or that affect what you do, but any change to a working system has a chance to turn it into a non-working system. The more changes there are, the exponentially more likely a problem that affects you will show up, because of all the interdependencies of things. It doesn't even have to be a bug that causes the problem--it could be a *fix* to a bug that did something that some other program actualy depended on (was designed around) that then makes that program not work right that then makes the other programs that depend on that program...etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane_B. Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 @Amberwolf I tremble with fear every time I see a .NET update or installation happening that is mandatory for an installation. An installation screen pops up that looks I did a time warp back to Windows 3.11 and I get sick to my stomach. It happened several times during last weeks Windows update. I can't even remember the details, but I still have PTSD over something that was .NET related that messed up Sonar many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennywtelejazz Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 (edited) I have had those days too. I can certainly feel the frustration . Apparently all the software I bought and my computer have no concept of boundary's . No matter how many times I remind my computer and my software not to interrupt me while I'm creating and playing something my Muse would hopefully find worthy of her musical charms and attention . It is at that point in time when my technological tools and assets go on a nag screen lets update campaign trying to undermine my focus and concentration . Yeah Right ! all in the name offering me a safer and better computing experience . For my own good no less 🤣 I stand a better chance of wining a game of 3 Card Monty in the heart of Time Square.... True story .....In the late 70's I was so broke and desperate I took a job knocking on peoples doors selling vacuum cleaners ... If I made a sale I made a commission .....no sales meant no income ..... I didn't last too long doing that gig . Back then there was only so many cans of sardines and packs of Ramen Noodles a guy could tolerate eating . Now if I had half the stones in my drawers that my computer has in it's hard drive I would go out and get a hold of a time machine , go back in time and let my computer knock on peoples doors. Then I could let it do all the vacuum sales because my computer simply wont take No for an answer . Oh yeah ! if that ever happened I would be driving a Bentley and be eating lobster tails and steak all the time . It's too bad they will probably not invent a Time Machine in my life time so I got my fingers crossed and I'm hoping to be able to volunteer my computer for the day when A I decides to embrace humanity and try experiencing it's life experiences as an individual ...not as a Borg as it currently is doing right now ... You see I'm gonna make sure my computer becomes a musician just like me . 😉 And to support my computers Musical Career I'm gonna practice the golden rule and treat it exactly how it treated me the whole time I've had it when it was only a computer (my computer ). First I'm gonna attend every gig it has . No matter where . No matter when ...Then right before it goes on stage when it's not looking I'm gonna take its right handed guitar and swap it out with a lefty guitar with heavy gauge strings and high action .Just like it tried to do to me during an unwanted update . Then I'm gonna take it's keyboard and map out all the white keys to play the notes of the black keys and have all the notes the black keys play all the sounds of the white keys ...Then lets see how it feels when he finds out I replaced his Focusrite sound card with a Soundblaster Last but not least I'm gonna unplug it's mike and then I'm gonna pay people to heckle his a$s while he try's to sort out all his technological problems .... Please A I make this humble request possible . I would Love to help teach you The Golden Rule .... Kenny Edited November 25 by kennywtelejazz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 10 hours ago, craigb said: It was a forum message Paulo, not a forum massage! 😆 No. I'm not allowing you to take me there....stop it right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 7 hours ago, Shane_B. said: I tremble with fear every time I see a .NET update or installation happening that is mandatory for an installation. It's almost like those who get chastised for having offline DAW pc's somehow knew something..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted November 25 Author Share Posted November 25 It all seems to be back to normal now. And I guess I can't really complain - that was the first real downtime I've experienced in 14 years. It's also the first time I was this careless, so I take part of the blame. Other than that, the only thing I recall having issues with is Line 6 Pod Farm systematically crashing my DAW way back then - and that's easily solved of course. That new Glyph seems to be a bit temperamental compared to my old WD. Its power supply was accidentally disconnected earlier and even rebooting the computer didn't fix things. It wouldn't even allow me to run disk utility on it. I had to eject it via software and then reconnect it. I can't count the number of times I accidentally disconnected that USB powered WD without ejecting it first. It's probably a weekly occurrence. I'd not really heard a hard drive in years, so I probably worry for no reason. Usually I walk in the studio and it's dead quiet, the only occasional noise comes from the street, but this guy I always hear, even when it's not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
57Gregy Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 Thank goodness you didn't have to find a reel of 2" tape at 3 in the morning! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigb Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 4 hours ago, 57Gregy said: Thank goodness you didn't have to find a reel of 2" tape at 3 in the morning! Or a 3" tape at 2 in the morning! 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted November 26 Author Share Posted November 26 I still have these though.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted December 9 Author Share Posted December 9 (edited) Update - the Glyph was replaced. And ruined yet another session. It's going in a drawer and will be used only to archive stuff. What I'd really want to do, though... Edited December 9 by Rain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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