John Vere Posted September 11, 2023 Author Share Posted September 11, 2023 Ya @Craig Anderton I seem to remember a few other company's including Studio one offered us a generous discount to switch over. I also remember the kindness of companies like Overloud would gave us Unlock keys to their plug ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstrEd Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 As I said about the pending new pricing model I shall not panic like last time and just see how it goes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted September 11, 2023 Author Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) I decided to produce a video on this topic hoping it might reach more people who need to know what is happening. For the first time in over a year I posted it to Facebook, I'm curious to what they are saying as at this point they are obviously not in the loop like we are. UPDATE Sept 15- I pulled the video due to the comments getting out of hand. My mistake for posting to Facebook. Two of the Cakewalk user group pages removed it right away because I think the Admin disagreed. Show's you why Facebook is a dumb place to actually get information from because it will be biased. . Seems a few people felt my claim that Cakewalk was due to be discontinued was "False information" That's odd because if it was, the Staff, who have seen this thread, would have most certainly questioned it's title. The misinformation is all over the place with the worst one being many are saying CbB will be unlocked and you can use it forever. Sorry folks. seems this is not going to happen. Why would they do that, they are a business not a charity. Edited September 15, 2023 by JohnnyV Removed dead video link 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 6 hours ago, Craig Anderton said: The Studio One contingent at PreSonus was pretty freaked out when it appeared Cakewalk was headed to extinction. I know why. Because they wouldnt have had another forum to spy on for new ideas and features to steal. ???? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, JohnnyV said: For the first time in over a year I posted it to Facebook . . . . Just to let you know (and I am not sure if it's just me) but as of 3-4 days ago FB groups that used to have content available to the public (i.e., people without a FB account) are no longer accessible without a FB account. Update:It's fixed!! Something happened between several hours ago and a few minutes ago: FB now let's non-account holders view public content!!! ? Edited September 12, 2023 by User 905133 update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Philippe ROGER Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 On 9/7/2023 at 11:58 PM, Milton Sica said: Because I think it's a huge mistake in the company's strategy to go for a free-pay movement and an application that, we know, has numerous bugs. The question is quite simple and direct: who will pay for a tire that, at any moment, will present a puncture ???? The least one would expect is that the application delivers everything it promises without errors. While it was presented as FREE, we users noticed some bugs, but I don't know of any that pay any dollar to receive errors. In your opinion, since all software contains bugs, it should be free? Funny reasoning, go explain that to SAP, Microsoft etc... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 1:40 AM, Larioso said: Three years ago running CbB started to remind me to reactivate. - nothing happend it continued to remind me - I was at Bandlab app and pressed some button, but no confirmation or new expire date or anything - I posted here on forum, and it just fell down the pages, not help at all to fix it Did you contact official support? This forum is for peer support, no guarantee anyone is going to have an answer for you. That's what official support is for. The devs don't read and respond to every message, customer support is not their job. As far as support, their job is probably to answer email requests, period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 10:46 AM, Bristol_Jonesey said: You WILL need to update it at some point because the existing servers which CbB use to refresh your activation will no longer be online. There's been no official statement to the effect that this is scheduled or foreseen. BandLab have kept the registration server for SONAR, which isn't even their product, alive for over 5 years since the demise of Cakewalk, Inc. And there's no end to that in sight either. Anything is possible, but based on the wisdom and good citizenship BandLab have displayed in the past 5 years, with zero, zip, nada, no unethical moves ever in regard to Cakewalk and/or the legacy SONAR userbase, I suspect that anyone who's using CbB now and wants to keep using it and not upgrade to Sonar will be able to do so for a reasonable time period, by which I mean "a matter of years." This is all speculation on my part. Past performance is no indication of future blah blah.... If by "at some point" you mean when/if BandLab divests the product line or goes under, well, anything's possible. As with any software, as well as food, water, and transportation, have a contingency plan. And as I've mentioned before, if for some reason you get caught out, you can always unplug your DAW from the Internet and set its clock back to a time when CbB was registered. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Morgon-Shaw Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) I think the CbB team have been absoloutely brilliant over the past 5yrs. How anyone can begrudge them transitioning to a paid model after giving us half a decade of pro level software and support FOR FREE goodness only knows. I see the Platinum Lifetime crowd still complaining over on Facebook, as if Bandlab who owe them nothing either legally or morally haven't already done enough already for the user base. Maybe Bandlab can give them a token concession against new Sonar to finally put the matter to rest. I've checked my spreadsheet and since April 2018 I've written and produced over 450 tracks with CbB many of which have aired in various TV shows around the world and continue to do so. That wouldn't be possible if CbB wasn't a high quality stable DAW with professional level features and it's testament to the Dev Team that a slew of fantastically useful features have been added during that 5yrs that are in daily use. Off the top of my head... Arranger Tracks ( This has gotten me out of trouble more times than I care to mention ) Articulation Maps New Export Module ( This has been a game changer for creating deliverables ) Track Folders Ripple Editing ARA 2 That's without accounting for all the bug fixes and small enhancements along the way. So thanks to the CbB team for the last 5yrs, I will be first in line to purchase the new Sonar. I think the last one I bought was Sonar8.5 as an amateur producer before finally calling time on that version and transitioning to CbB as I was starting to get my tracks used professionally. I sincerely hope most will follow and the new products are a great success, I would dearly like my DAW to once again grace the pages of Sound on Sound and be talked about by hardware manufacturers as a popular DAW their products need to be tested with and made compatible. Edited September 12, 2023 by Mark Morgon-Shaw 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conteloto Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Big error from bandlab, CbB is a great free software, but there are several app out there that can do the same work and they will be free. Half a hour and you have them to start working. I understand there is no more updates, but what I read is that you can continue using the last version... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaartian Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 On 9/9/2023 at 6:38 PM, bitflipper said: You can add 1973 to that table. The difference is that in 1973 I bought my first house out of gig earnings. Today it buys a tank of gas. btw, last week my band went into a studio to record a going-away gift for our departing guitarist. The software in use there was Sonar 6. I am now mixing it in the current Sonar beta. I have worked on several projects that were started in CbB and seamlessly transferred to Sonar. No one should have any qualms about losing projects going forward. 1967. 4 piece H.S. cover band. $125/gig. $25 to each of the 4 members, and $25 to common gear like mics and stands and cables and PA. I bought a used late '64 black face Fender Bassman, a used '63 Fender Jazz and a used Farfisa Mini with my gig money, gas station and Burger Chef jobs. The wonderful life of a wanna be musician. That $25 wouldn't buy doodly squat now. Now, it's all about EXPOSURE! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Conteloto said: Big error from bandlab, CbB is a great free software, but there are several app out there that can do the same work and they will be free. Half a hour and you have them to start working. Is that so? How about naming them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutrageProductions Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, Byron Dickens said: Is that so? How about naming them? Well... how about GarbageBand? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Anderton Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Conteloto said: Big error from bandlab, CbB is a great free software, but there are several app out there that can do the same work and they will be free. Half a hour and you have them to start working. If you're thinking of the free, "lite" versions of software, no. They can't do the same work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larioso Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 But how many actually need all the features, nice and all, but really need them? This guy doing the "thread syncronization bug" here swapped to StudioOne Artist which is entry level and just cost $99 as I recall. And he claimed he did work for film industry, and projects were huge and plugins and all. I run good old Sonar Arist 2015, 7 year old code, and can very well live with quirks that are there if so. I hope Cakewalk really look at how things have worked in the past? - there were enthusiasm over lifetime free updates on Platinum would make everybody get Platinum? - now a bit of the same, people will pay suddenly for something that was free for so long? And a bit worried over Noels comment on last CbB EA how they stuffed one year of updates into that so that difference between new paid Sonar will be as little as possible? - is this a good policy? - it's much to kind bunch of people to be healthy business almost. And having a paid versions that still needs timely reactivations is not so good in my world, since I had issues with CbB doing that 3 years ago. So went back to Sonar, I don't want anything just stop working suddenly. I really believe an entry level product that most people get by with, as I have my old Sonar Artist, is needed. - then a version with everything on it, as they say in hamburger bars - one size does not fit all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) Nobody needs all the features. Nobody needs all the features. Your statement here is a Reductio ad Absurdum. That and you're trying to move the goalposts. We also never hear back from these people who get frustrated and jump ship. Never get to hear about the issues they run into over in those allegedly greener pastures. I'm sure my experience is not unique but the list of features I don't use is much longer than the list of ones I do. However, there are features not available in entry level products that really make life easier. For me, the value of all that extra money is in those features I do use that are not to be found outside the full product as well as in not hitting that wall where suddenly you can't accomplish what you want to do because of a missing feature. Like my other expensive hobby. Nobody needs a full featured camera; you can take perfectly good pictures with your phone. But when you can choose lenses with different focal lengths it opens a whole new world to you. When you can focus on what you want instead of what the camera decides, it opens a whole new world to you. When you can choose the aperture and/ or shutter speed you want to get the specific effect you want, it opens a whole new world to you. Just getting by is suboptimal. Edited September 12, 2023 by Byron Dickens 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larioso Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Byron Dickens said: Like my other expensive hobby. Nobody needs a full featured camera; you can take perfectly good pictures with your phone. But when you can choose lenses with different focal lengths it opens a whole new world to you. When you can focus on what you want instead of what the camera decides, it opens a whole new world to you. When you can choose the aperture and/ or shutter speed you want to get the specific effect you want, it opens a whole new world to you. Just getting by is suboptimal. I get what you are saying. When I started doing time lapses it was single shot pics - enter cropping to 16:9 on 6000 pics in a program - then processing cropping pics took 24 hours in computer - then downsizing pics to 1080 lines with some algo in another program . then shove into video editor as a collection making a video - puhhh, that was one days work Then I got a camera that did time lapse directly to a video in camera. - that is some boost in productivity I could focus earlier on making music to it. So there are "needs" but most things in daws remain headroom for most of us IMO. - and think success for commercial Cakewalk may be to have alternative for those not absolutely wanting that headroom that CbB offer now - maybe options to buy content at discounted price which has been before, I remember Vsampler as one, rather than just offering one Sonar version. My opinion and who cares? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted September 12, 2023 Author Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Larioso said: nd think success for commercial Cakewalk may be to have alternative for those not absolutely wanting that headroom that CbB offer now Have you not been following what is said? There will be versions at different levels and price points just like with Sonar Platinum series. Including a Free version. There is absolutely zero reasons for ANYONE to be at all upset about what is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Boog Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, JohnnyV said: There will be versions at different levels and price points Do u mean they'll be more than two levels John? I'm only aware of "Sonar" & "Next". Are u saying they'll be diff versions of Sonar aside from "Next"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larioso Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 4 hours ago, JohnnyV said: Have you not been following what is said? There will be versions at different levels and price points just like with Sonar Platinum series. Including a Free version. Thanks, but where is this stated by Cakewalk or Staff on forum or elsewhere? A mystery why this was not stated already at announcement in june. That if anything would make everybody at ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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