greg54 Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Something I'm not quite understanding. When the new Cakewalk Sonar comes out soon, I know the updated free version will continue to function. But what I am unclear about are older versions. I have not updated in about 2-3 years, because the old CbB works really well for me with no issues as is. And "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." My question is, will the older versions cease to work when the last update is given? Will only the newest version work? Or will the older versions work but just not have support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) Read the announcement in the early access release. The wording is that this will be the final release and you will need it installed if you want further activations down the road. I gleaned from that statement that you will therefore not be able to use older versions. Which is totally fine as why would you? Where as I agree with you and I am certainly one to carry on with older software sometimes the last few years have been the most stable and every update has been even more stable. Your choice will be. NoteSept 14, 2023. Update what I originally said here as since this post I have gathered more accurate information. Use Sonar 2017 or earlier. Purchase Sonar or Next. Change DAW. Edited September 14, 2023 by JohnnyV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg54 Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 If I will not be able to use my current version, then I will have to update. I hope I like it Thanks, JohnnyV! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Why wouldn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg54 Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 38 minutes ago, Byron Dickens said: Why wouldn't you? Well, I did. But I don't understand something (and probably a lot of other things once I start using it). In the photo below I circled the areas that are blank. What's supposed to be there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutrageProductions Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 There are several more modules that can be applied to show up in the top toolbar. You have yours justified currently. RMB in any blank space in the toolbar and select what you want, then save as custom workspace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg54 Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 Great, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Menear Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 has anyone had more crashes or failure for projects to load after installing this new 2023 update? had more crashes last night than in a year i think. if cakewalk becomes subscription based i will probably change DAW's. if its a reasonable 1x price wouldnt mind paying for it. love this program and the fact i can upload to the bandlab website to collaborate with my band members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, Brian A Menear said: has anyone had more crashes or failure for projects to load after installing this new 2023 update? had more crashes last night than in a year i think. if cakewalk becomes subscription based i will probably change DAW's. if its a reasonable 1x price wouldnt mind paying for it. love this program and the fact i can upload to the bandlab website to collaborate with my band members You know it's a beta, don't you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol_Jonesey Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 On 9/2/2023 at 3:37 PM, JohnnyV said: Where as I agree with you and I am certainly one to carry on with older software sometimes the last few years have been the most stable and every update has been even more stable. Your choice will be. Use SonarX3 or earlier Use the last release of CbB ( this upcoming release) Purchase Sonar or Next. X3? Why not Platinum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Just now, Bristol_Jonesey said: X3? Why not Platinum? Ah! good question but remember, X3 is the last version of Sonar that can be activated totally off line without a server. Bandlab has no obligation to offer the older Buggy version for download anymore. But I was guessing wrong about the continuation of CbB read this from another thread: Noel Borthwick: To be clear, there will be no more feature updates or bug fixes to the CbB codebase. The only reason it's being kept active for now is to provide users time to transition to the upcoming (paid) Sonar product. If you do intend to use Cakewalk please consider moving to Sonar (when its available obviously). We also plan on having a public beta release for it soon once the user interface is complete, so you can make up your mind. There is no change from the workflow of Cbb so the transition should be effortless. If you have requests or bug reports continue to post them but they will only be fixed in the new Sonar release. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, JohnnyV said: Ah! good question but remember, X3 is the last version of Sonar that can be activated totally off line without a server. Bandlab has no obligation to offer the older Buggy version for download anymore. But I was guessing wrong about the continuation of CbB read this from another thread: Noel Borthwick: To be clear, there will be no more feature updates or bug fixes to the CbB codebase. The only reason it's being kept active for now is to provide users time to transition to the upcoming (paid) Sonar product. If you do intend to use Cakewalk please consider moving to Sonar (when its available obviously). We also plan on having a public beta release for it soon once the user interface is complete, so you can make up your mind. There is no change from the workflow of Cbb so the transition should be effortless. If you have requests or bug reports continue to post them but they will only be fixed in the new Sonar release. Yeah! This was a slap in the face. I still feel it, because its not what was said by other staff members, or in the EA release notes on the site. It kind of makes you negative to hear this- well, it stopped me from carrying on with what I was mixing and testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Brian A Menear said: has anyone had more crashes or failure for projects to load after installing this new 2023 update? had more crashes last night than in a year i think. if cakewalk becomes subscription based i will probably change DAW's. if its a reasonable 1x price wouldnt mind paying for it. love this program and the fact i can upload to the bandlab website to collaborate with my band members There shouldn't be any more crashes than the older versions but if you can send across any dump files we'll certainly look into it. Please post any problem reports in the main EA thread. The primary changes to the current version of CbB are bug fixes and Microsoft tool updates, nothing major has changed. Re Sonar I can assure you that pricing will be very reasonable. May be even better than you expect Regarding the integration with BandLab the new Sonar is greatly improved in this regard. It also supports direct project interchange with the new Cakewalk Next product which is natively integrated with BandLab. For example, in Next you can download a project from bandlab and use it exactly as it was with its native effects. Then you can transfer it to Sonar if you so choose for mastering etc. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Sica Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said: There shouldn't be any more crashes than the older versions but if you can send across any dump files we'll certainly look into it. Please post any problem reports in the main EA thread. The primary changes to the current version of CbB are bug fixes and Microsoft tool updates, nothing major has changed. Re Sonar I can assure you that pricing will be very reasonable. May be even better than you expect Regarding the integration with BandLab the new Sonar is greatly improved in this regard. It also supports direct project interchange with the new Cakewalk Next product which is natively integrated with BandLab. For example, in Next you can download a project from bandlab and use it exactly as it was with its native effects. Then you can transfer it to Sonar if you so choose for mastering etc. Because I think it's a huge mistake in the company's strategy to go for a free-pay movement and an application that, we know, has numerous bugs. The question is quite simple and direct: who will pay for a tire that, at any moment, will present a puncture ???? The least one would expect is that the application delivers everything it promises without errors. You're talking about a "banana" as if nobody knows what's inside the skin. Excuse me, but your corporatism adds nothing to what we, users, want. If we're going to pay for the "banana" we want to know everything inside and how it works. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tim Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Please name one bit of complex software you own that has no bugs or will never require updates (that could also potentially have bugs), especially one where the developers address those bugs for no pay. I'll wait. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass Guitar Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Just had to give that a thumbs down. Sorry Another( person? ) who must struggle ordering food in a restaurant if the menu is printed in a font they don't personally agree with,, "Waiter, can I please have a menu printed in a different font? And yesterday the dinner was free why are you charging for the food now? " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol_Jonesey Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 16 hours ago, Milton Sica said: Because I think it's a huge mistake in the company's strategy to go for a free-pay movement and an application that, we know, has numerous bugs Do you have a list of these "numerous bugs"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Sica Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Good thing we're not talking about cars. I don't know one person in the whole world who would buy an automobile knowing it has a known amount of defects/bugs. That's what I'm talking about. If it were a car, would you buy it and put your life/family in it? And I close my posts on the topic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Sica Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bristol_Jonesey said: Do you have a list of these "numerous bugs"? Just read the release approaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Do you actually have a list? I'm personally not aware of any serious bugs if any. Are they bugs or are they just things you don't like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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